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quenyan

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PostPosted: Wed 01 Jan 2020, 21:32    Post subject:  

Mike Walsh wrote:
TiredPup wrote:
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I am hopeful, since it works with ubuntu and XenialPup...


There may well be a solution for your card reader issue then.


@ TiredPup:-

I don't think quenyan will be satisfied with 'after-market' fixes & workarounds. We've suggested a lot to him over the past few weeks, most of which he's either pooh-poohed, or openly expressed his dissatisfaction with.

I think the whole reason why he's started this thread is because, yes; he does like Bionicpup64, but.....he's of the strongly-held opinion that all the points that don't work in Bionic64 for him really ought to be fixed promptly, and the ISO re-mastered, re-released & re-published (with everything built-in). In other words, anybody should be able to download this, and it should immediately work, 100%, on literally any hardware.

Which is the ultimate goal of most Linux distros when it boils down to it, I suppose. Unfortunately, even the open-source world isn't quite that straight-forward.....at the best of times. Especially given that the majority of devs do all this kinda thing in their spare time, and are very definitely not getting paid for doing so.

For a newbie, he's, well; "dogged" really is the expression that springs to mind here..! He's got the bit between his teeth, and is fast becoming our official Bionic QC person.....although I'm not quite sure what Phil B's response to all this is going to be.

We shall see, I guess.

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@ quenyan:-

With regard to the disappearing tray volume control, this is something that has periodically plagued me over the years, with several different Pups. I usually find that re-running the ALSA Sound Wizard (including the Multiple Sound Card Wizard, to make sure the audio chip/card is being correctly recognised), followed by re-running the Retrovol set-up sequence again, generally does the trick.

It might sound a long-winded way of fixing it, but once I've gone through this procedure, I don't usually have any recurring issues with it. And it does give you a chance to verify that everything audio-related is set up the way it should be.....


Mike. Wink


thank you for pointed that out, i appreciate it.
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PostPosted: Wed 01 Jan 2020, 21:40    Post subject:  

TiredPup wrote:
Mike Walsh wrote:
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I don't think quenyan will be satisfied with 'after-market' fixes & workarounds.


He will be unhappy with linux in general then won't he? Wink

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Which is the ultimate goal of most Linux distros when it boils down to it, I suppose. Unfortunately, even the open-source world isn't quite that straight-forward.....at the best of times. Especially given that the majority of devs do all this kinda thing in their spare time, and are very definitely not getting paid for doing so.


It is hard to support hardware with drivers when the device maker refuses to support linux at all. In many cases (like the example of Acer laptops with SD card readers) the maker of the device in question will not support a major windows update or version upgrade. I had an Acer netbook that had just that issue. Most of the time there is nothing to be done for that.


TBH, I'm quite satisfied with LXDE Mint, it just the speed did not match up with pup. I had no problem at all on Mint previously but 1 thing for sure, i don't like the speed.
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PostPosted: Wed 01 Jan 2020, 22:04    Post subject:  

Mike Walsh wrote:

followed by re-running the Retrovol set-up sequence again, generally does the trick.

Retrovol cannot be run, yay Laughing
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PostPosted: Thu 02 Jan 2020, 09:27    Post subject:  

@ quenyan:-

Y'know, I'm beginning to agree with bigpup's assessment of your situation. It is looking more & more like a dodgy download. Nowt intentional; it just happens, sometimes.

Any of us who publish stuff for the community will upload things in all good faith.....but the process between the individual and the host's download servers is completely out of our control. There's no way of telling what intermediate conditions were like between the two endpoints, on the exact day and at the exact time when you decided to download the ISO.....

Try a re-install. Don't give up on Pup just yet; these things do happen from time to time.


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PostPosted: Sun 05 Jan 2020, 02:21    Post subject:  

guys, I am moving out to LXLE, my life is completed there. I was facing some minor bugs upon installing the LXLE such as sound and brightness, and even a dead touchpad. But all have been solved at ease, no sweat. So, I might going to check this post regularly and see, people can come and post their problem here to, so I put it to the main post list. I might not be very active with puppy in the future but I still care and hope for the best.
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PostPosted: Wed 11 Mar 2020, 11:43    Post subject:  

I had some problems with Exton's version of Bionic, but the straight version's been a lot better - found the right driver for my onboard video and set the correct resolution (1680x1050) first time.

Just one problem - the icon theme changer in JWM Desk Manager froze while I was trying to set a new theme and I had to shut the display down and try again.

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PostPosted: Wed 11 Mar 2020, 12:23    Post subject:  

so quenyan, you're going to use a remaster of Lubuntu?
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PostPosted: Wed 11 Mar 2020, 16:10    Post subject:  

quenyan, I also use LXLE on three PC's, and I think, that LXLE is a very good distro for those older machines, which can not handle the majority of brand new modern Linuxes, Like Mint Cinnamon or Ubuntu with Gnome 3.
Still, I am afraid, that LXLE 18.04.3 is the last LXLE, which will be available. The reason is simple - LXLE is based on Lubuntu with LXDE desktop environment. Now Lubuntu switched from LXDE to LXQt desktop environment, which is not so fast as LXDE with Openbox, in fact not even nearly so fast...also it is raw and unfinished with many bugs. As result, LXDE desktop interface development is almost stopped.
So what do we have as result?
1. LXDE desktop interface development is almost stopped.
2. Lubuntu switched to raw and unfinished LXQt.
3. LXLE developer does not want to make LXLE based on LXQt, and I fully support his decision, because with LXQt, LXLE Linux will consume much more computer resources and will loose it's strongest advantage over other Linuxes. Also, it will have bugs...many bugs.
4. LXLE developer simply does not know, how to make new LXLE release, because he can not continue to make it based on newest Lubuntu with LXQt.
So...I hope, that there will be a new LXLE release, and we all should hope at the best. But we also should be prepared for the worst!
That's why I started to test Bionicpup. Bionicpup is also very good distro for older machines. Yes, it is unusual and a bit more difficult than LXLE, but still very good. I do not say "great", because it has some bugs, and screen fonts in some applications are does not have proper subpixel rendering (only grayscale, not RGB). Also, for some reasons, installed packages using Puppy Package Manager can not be updated.
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PostPosted: Wed 11 Mar 2020, 17:03    Post subject:  

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3. LXLE developer does not want to make LXLE based on LXQt, and I fully support his decision, because with LXQt, LXLE Linux will consume much more computer resources and will loose it's strongest advantage over other Linuxes. Also, it will have bugs...many bugs.


.....and folks wonder why I hate Qt5. It's a RAM-hog, offering precious little in the way of benefits over the much more svelte Qt4.....but guess what, kiddiwinks? Qt5 is what ALL the devs are dribbling over, and wetting their pants with excitement about, so, erm.....trust me, we're well and truly STUCK with it.

And they call this "progress"? Huh. Reminds me of one of our Forum members who said, quite some time ago, that as software (and hardware) develops over time, it just encourages the rise of 'lazy coding'. As RAM levels increase, most devs appear to take the view 'Well, I don't need to bother being careful any more. There's all this RAM available nowadays; Hey! let's use it....'

And so apps/programs just grow bigger & bigger.....

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PostPosted: Thu 12 Mar 2020, 22:37    Post subject:  

Hi there puppy folks, it's been awhile since my last visit.

@rockedge i'm not buddy, right now I am using Windows 8.1 because of everything. You know, when you actually live in the world Windows is part of life, admit it or not. Windows has been with us since many years ago with microsoft word when we were in school, play the sims, warcraft, etc when we were little. until this day, windows still playing a big role in our life, cannot be replaced by Linux or OSX. the EXE is used in many aspect. school, government, company, entertainment, etc. and WINE still has a LOOOOng way to catch. well, using linux was fun, troubleshooting this and that, making linux better and better, but when we face a situation where we are forced to use an EXE software where wine can't handle, that's where the wall is. there are 2 main reasons why I switch windows this time, first the government taxation software is exe. second, is many software i need do make something work, for example PS3 software that i need to play a game, to root samsung (which heimdall can't do because of the samsung driver only released on windows), and many similar things like that which wine just cant do. why do i use windows 8.1? the answer is on comment below.

@Mike Walsh the development of OS is kinda crappy these days, Idk because of generation changing in the company or what, but things messed up. For example OSX made a shitty decision on Catalina (which is fully not supporting 32bits thinggy, that makes wine is a total disabled on OSX and other 32bits app too), they haven't solved anything on Mojave and now they just remove their problem just like that. Their bootcamp department felt like shutdown, in Mojave and so on, bootcamp can only install windows 10, which doesnt make sense, why? because bootcamp doesn't have any driver working with the current build of windows 10 (1909), so yeah, the only thing to do if we want bootcamp windows is to install High Sierra, 2 generation away.
Another things with Windows 10 also, I don't see any differences on Win10 with Win8, the only thing is win10 is free with some watermark which overlay on top also some limitation on settings (which user with low end pc cannot make any changes and stuck with low performance), they also has many common wifi problem and brightness button problem (wtf is goin on? why does windows has linux problem now? lol)
and Linux, well, it's open source, no complaint about it tho, no one hurts no feeling. what we get is what the dev excited about, wether it's better or not.
Many of these days claiming that they done "update" but in fact deep down in our heart, we can see with naked eye, those are just bullcrap.

theres one project which i forgot the name was, it's fairy young, an os which build on scratch where we can run EXE natively. ah, i really forgot the name of the OS is...crossover? no...hmmm...an uncommon name.
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PostPosted: Thu 12 Mar 2020, 23:59    Post subject:  

crossover is just another version of Wine.
Only it is one you have to pay for.
https://www.codeweavers.com/products/
Codeweaver took Wine and developed a payed version that is suppose to work better, because they have better built in software. Plus they have people working on it for money.
The stuff they add to Wine, is their software, and they have total control of it. Thus you have to pay for it.

True Wine is a lot better now in the newest versions.
But, Wine is not developed by people making a living developing Wine.
It is slower adapting to changes in Windows software.

Now that Microsoft is putting Linux commands support into Windows 10. It is going to have a Linux kernel.
Who really knows what Windows and Linux are going to look like in the future.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_Subsystem_for_Linux

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PostPosted: Fri 13 Mar 2020, 04:16    Post subject:  

bigpup wrote:
crossover is just another version of Wine.
Only it is one you have to pay for.
https://www.codeweavers.com/products/
Codeweaver took Wine and developed a payed version that is suppose to work better, because they have better built in software. Plus they have people working on it for money.
The stuff they add to Wine, is their software, and they have total control of it. Thus you have to pay for it.

True Wine is a lot better now in the newest versions.
But, Wine is not developed by people making a living developing Wine.
It is slower adapting to changes in Windows software.

Now that Microsoft is putting Linux commands support into Windows 10. It is going to have a Linux kernel.
Who really knows what Windows and Linux are going to look like in the future.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_Subsystem_for_Linux


I wasn't talking about the wine alternative, I just couldn't remember the name of the new OS, i thought it was something like "crossover" or whatnot. but now I found it, it was ReactOS the new OS which rumored to be able to run exe just like windows OS. it's open source, still very young so I wasn't expecting something WOW of it. but you all can try it if you think windows really is taking big role in our life. I tried it once, but just couldn't pass the installation, some people say it is easier to install if we got Windows XP installed on our system, well maybe it has a different architecture, but I just pass it for now, and ill see on that OS when it got more mature.
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