Mach Boot

[Bert]

A new OS from Japan, announced on Distrowatch, booting in 10 seconds! What caught my eye is they mention Puppy Linux.

http://www.machboot.com/

What do you think?

[raffy]

MACH BOOT is an experimental CD booting technology with the goal
of getting very fast booting with x48 CD-ROM drive.

Features:
1. Booting very fast, usually within 10 secs from x48 CD-ROM drive.
2. Launching apps is also fast. Almost same as from HDD.
3. Customizable. You can make it "MACH" with any distribution,
including your original one.
4. (Hopefully) Better PnP than KNOPPIX.

..we also offer you [at no charge] a special ISO image customized to your purpose. For example, you can put these OSes to one CD, and readers can select on a boot menu.
Ex.
-- MACH BOOT
-- Puppy Linux
-- Memtest86
-- FreeDOS ( For flash ROM upgrading )
-- Debian internet installer ( Install from Internet.)
-- Bootsplash of a logo of your mag.

An interesting innovation for Puppy, indeed.

[nyu]

A new OS from Japan, announced on Distrowatch, booting in 10 seconds! What caught my eye is they mention Puppy Linux.

http://www.machboot.com/

What do you think?

I have a VIA C3 800MHz pc with 381MB RAM and 52X NEC CD-ROM.
It boots up my system in 27.06sec. Here is the more detailed info.
BOOT: 27.06 sec
BIOS: 21.4365 sec
TOTAL: 48.495 sec

It is amazingly fast. According to the web page, Customizable. You can make it "MACH"
with any distribution, including your original one.

[Sage]

Yep - got 7.55s. boot on a half-decent breadboard. Okajima has blown a huge hole in the BS surrounding many of the larger distros, not to mention the OS used by the World Lemming Society. His offering weighs in at ~250Mb, but one wonders whether a large portion of that is taken by the Firebloat browser? What if Dillo were used? Coupling this technology with Barry's bag of tricks could make 99% of the world's IT workers redundant.
Still plenty of rough edges (MUTT email client wouldn't work for me, amongst other little matters), but this distro even detects 50% of the address settings for my Static IP network, including DNS.

Late last night, a mini liveCD edition of Sabayon was released. I had never tried this one before because I was too impatient to wait for such massive d/l times. However, it certain sticks high in Ladislav's list. Now, I can confidently contend that all the hype about this distro is pure BS. The mini edition is a most pedestrian version of KDE. Not worth the effort. Along with GoblinX and one or two other useless time-wasters, I expect to read that Nobel prizes will be handed out to the first ones to succeed in setting static IP addresses. What will it take to remove these miserable efforts from our screens? Very bad reviews might help? Caitlyn - where are you when you're needed.....

[Lobster]

I am sure I tried this OS from Japan before - at least a year ago. Must have been an earlier version

It booted faster than Puppy (from what I remember) - but had nothing in memory so had to be loaded from CD

- fast boot
slow operation

I do more using then booting
Also the creator wants to moneterize his 'discovery'

So not sure if this is of use / interest?

[Sage]

Something wrong with your HW, Lob? I found that the whole caboodle was faster than anything I've seen before. In particular, web browsing was virtually instantaneous, even with FF; not seen anything remotely as fast. No explanation as to why it speeded up my connection by orders of magnitude, but it did! All the other stuff that did work was equally fast. CD access was in no way limiting for me and I got the impression that much was already residing in memory? Hence my comment: Okajima + BK = megaspeed.

[raffy]

There is a fun clip there in DW Weekly:

The developer of the MACH BOOT CD made it clear that he intended to monetise his invention in one way or another and was currently looking into various options.

.. meaning, he was not answering Ladislav's questions about his distro (a Linux-based one, definitely).

So why would Ladislav publish it in DW in the first place?

[Lobster]

Something wrong with your HW, Lob?

Yes, it is being used by an idiot. Me!

I did mention that I used an earlier version. It could be even that version was running from memory, frankly I do not remember much about it. Glad the new one is good.

Will you be suggesting he open source his code, or will you be paying for this speedy OS?

[Sage]

If he plans to earn some bread by referrals to sex shops, I can live with that. Otherwise, I would recommend he take his cue from Klaus Knopper, the successful guy, and the legions of failed wannabee distro writers who wrongly supposed that there was money in the code, itself. The free lunches are ALL in the add-on services (perhaps even of the Ann Summers variety!) and consultancy. Unless your initials are W. G. and you have aspirations to be the worlds' most hated.....

PS. I hit 7.15s boot up this morning. Work in progress.

[cthisbear]

" Late last night, a mini liveCD edition of Sabayon was released. I had never tried this one before because I was too impatient to wait for such massive d/l times. However, it certain sticks high in Ladislav's list.
Now, I can confidently contend that all the hype about this distro is pure BS. The mini edition is a most pedestrian version of KDE. Not worth the effort. Along with GoblinX and one or two other useless time-wasters, I expect to read that Nobel prizes will be handed out to the first ones to succeed in setting static IP addresses. What will it take to remove these miserable efforts from our screens? Very bad reviews might help? "

Wit..glorious wit.....stick those sort of tributes to some of the wankers that
do those Linux reviews. What are they on?
Please post some of those mind denouncing drugs to Sydney, with shiny pictures as well. Gullibles Travels...that should be the headline for their dross.

Chris

[Sage]

Sounds as if you've been reading from the same hymn sheet, ctb. We used to transport them to the colonies for their crimes, but we don't have any now and the old places seem more like permanent holiday resorts, even for the locals!

[Bert]

It is amazingly fast. According to the web page, Customizable. You can make it "MACH"
with any distribution, including your original one.

So, what are we waiting for?

Nyu, would you be able to "make it Mach" with Puppy?
Does Barry know about this?
Wouldn't it be just perfect for MyPup..?
Can we invite Mr.Okajima to this thread?

Shushi Puppy. Hmmm..

Bert

[Sage]

Already alerted Jun to the prospect this morning.

[nyu]

Sage wrote:

PS. I hit 7.15s boot up this morning. Work in progress.

How did you do that? I thought 27sec was fast but you got 7.x sec
Can you tell me how to tweak my machine?

Bert wrote:

Shushi Puppy. Hmmm..

Yes, Sushi and a lot of Sake as well to get him to this thread

nyu

[Sage]

6.56s is the record according to the BBS.
Disconnect your HDs (easy for me - all on caddies). Clock your cpu & memory. Don't install too much memory - 256 is about right for EVERYONE, except those dumb enough to run XP/V or have to do a lot of CAD/vid. editing; for all others - remove memory if too much. Remember, memory has to be powered, scanned and loaded (even if this is fast by HD standards). Use a CD-R on a true 52x drive. Use short IDE leads (you can cut and reposition connectors) that are 80w. Use a bog std video card, something like an old GF2 with 64Mb for the same reasons as above. Go-faster stripes, braggability with dual/quad cores, etc will slow down most systems. K.I.S.S. is the oldest and still most valid engineering principle, so don't shoot yourself in the foot. Living in Europe, Asia, Oz or Africa helps. Damned by omission, this time AJ!

[quasimodal]

I just had to chuckle over this featured article on DistroWatch.

MACH BOOT - a live CD that boots in 10 seconds
http://distrowatch.com/weekly.php?issue ... 17#feature

From the article:

I emailed Mr Okajima, asking him about the licence, availability of source code and status of patents (if any), but he declined to answer any of these questions: "These issues are being discussed with my business partners at this very moment. The answers will only be published after all negotiations are concluded."

When is Barry Kauler going to talk to his "business partners" ... thank god he never has time to call them. Let's keep him busy.

- Bill B.[/code]

[raffy]

When is Barry Kauler going to talk to his "business partners"

Nope, I guess there is no interest there at all. (Plus, this thread concerns MACH boot, so let's keep it that way. )

[Lobster]

OK I downloaded and had a look

I was more impressed with the boot time reporting feature
Very nice (that is new)

The ISO of 226MB booted into a desktop with little more than Firefox
On a reported time of 10 secs + 30 secs for the BIOS
Puppy takes 40 secs + 30 Secs on the BIOS (on my machine)
So it would be ideal for an online distro such as Rhino is planning
. . . or bookmark here
http://tmxxine.com/g/
. . . and away you go

My guess is Mach has uses for things such as security checks on Windows machines. Boot disks for magazine disks, that sort of thing

Where Mach scores is the boot finds the hardware, sets up the DHCP internet connection (in my case) and Firefox is ready to go.

Now I need to digress a little to explain why it holds little interest for me.
Very early in the development of Tmxxine we adopted the Curl language for use with Curlchat our communication program
http://www.curl.com/
http://www.zen45800.zen.co.uk/curlchat/
We managed to get one of our users (with a lot of support) to use the Linux version. At the time I was still using Windows mainly.
In the end we were supporting the company and the language became secondary (Curl can do real time ray tracing and is elegant, simple and powerful). You had to apply for a license to use the language etc. You had to install a plug in just to use it - a bit like with java. It was much better than java but has never caught on.
Curl corp became a Japanese owned company.
Have you even heard of the language?

Any restriction on the use of good software will lead to an open source version. So basically Mach is offering something at a price.

I am unreasonable. I want no restrictions. No costing.

Speed of booting + 'moneterisation' can be slower than people imagine . . .

[Bert]

Any restriction on the use of good software will lead to an open source version. So basically Mach is offering something at a price.
.

Aren't we judging prematurely? I believe Mr.Okajima as the developer of Mach Boot has every right to look into ways to earn money with his work. Moreover, he hasn't taken any decision, he's still talking to his "business partners". (those could be two of his best friends, wanting to support his work)

So, the license isn't decided yet, nor is a "price". All we know is that it can be downloaded freely.

I even think it's a good thing that Mr. Okajima is saying upfront that he would like to earn money with it. I just witnessed the opposite: a free, open source project (not linux related) that went closed source and commercial, because the developer changed his mind, leaving behind a disillusioned community...

We can only hope Mach Boot will have a "business model" like Sage proposed: not by "selling code", but by delivering services and consultancy.

[Lobster]

Aren't we judging prematurely?

I am Yes.
Does not mean you have to . . .

My approach is pragmatic not ideological.

At the moment Barry is guarding horses (I think it is) for money. Sounds like a welcome break. We have lost a great percentage of MU's contribution, Warren (WhoDo) has just just found employment.

'Will code for food and shelter' is a little too extreme.

Here is a donation page . . .
http://www.puppylinux.com/download/downpage.htm