Oil Spill Is Really Pissing Me Off!!!!
Oil Spill Is Really Pissing Me Off!!!!
Now the Coast Guard is working for BP. Since when does a branch of the military take orders from a corporation? Oh yeah, pretty much always.
http://www.miamiherald.com/2010/05/07/1 ... -role.html
http://www.miamiherald.com/2010/05/07/1 ... -role.html
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Surangama Sutra
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The obvious solution is for everyone to stop using petroleum products. Anything short of that means we implicitly approve of the risk of more oil leaks.
I heard the other day that there's been a major oil spill in the Niger Delta every year since 1969. That was the first time I'd heard of it.
If we continue to use oil while refusing to allow oil companies to drill near our shores where we can at least keep an eye on them and hold their feet to the fire, then we're guilty of the worst kind of hypocrisy, not to mention being silent partners in crimes against nature.
I heard the other day that there's been a major oil spill in the Niger Delta every year since 1969. That was the first time I'd heard of it.
If we continue to use oil while refusing to allow oil companies to drill near our shores where we can at least keep an eye on them and hold their feet to the fire, then we're guilty of the worst kind of hypocrisy, not to mention being silent partners in crimes against nature.
Point taken but what is the likelihood of everyone altruistically deciding not to use petroleum products? This kind of decision needs to be made at the governmental level because people are not going to naturally do what is best for the majority. Even though we are slowly killing ourselves by polluting our water, destroying our forests and poisoning our food supplies with toxic chemicals.Flash wrote:The obvious solution is for everyone to stop using petroleum products. Anything short of that means we implicitly approve of the risk of more oil leaks.
I heard the other day that there's been a major oil spill in the Niger Delta every year since 1969. That was the first time I'd heard of it.
If we continue to use oil while refusing to allow oil companies to drill near our shores where we can at least keep an eye on them and hold their feet to the fire, then we're guilty of the worst kind of hypocrisy, not to mention being silent partners in crimes against nature.
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Surangama Sutra
Surangama Sutra
The problem is, use of petroleum-derived products is so pervasive in our post-modern world. Look around us - can you tell one thing that doesn't contain any petroleum product in it?
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Yup, but the majority's also never going to vote for someone who will "not to use [ban?] petroleum products" so surely it comes back again to the people's responsibility/choice?Notorik wrote:
Point taken but what is the likelihood of everyone altruistically deciding not to use petroleum products? This kind of decision needs to be made at the governmental level because people are not going to naturally do what is best for the majority. Even though we are slowly killing ourselves by polluting our water, destroying our forests and poisoning our food supplies with toxic chemicals.
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I am using a coffee mug made of corn "plastic". What's wrong with using bamboo cups? There are alternatives to frickn' plastic.Yup. And with no oil, say goodbye to plastics as we know them.
Just read that this spill will make the Exxon Valdez look tiny in comparison.
"Drill baby drill"! Palin, McCain, Republicans, all conservatives everywhere who supported this, SHAME!
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Right, I said plastics "as we know them". Of course there are alternatives, good luck mainstreaming them is all I'm saying. It will be interesting to see it happen when we have no choice, how people react to having to pay lots more for stuff we get at WalMart for 49¢.Notorik wrote:I am using a coffee mug made of corn "plastic". What's wrong with using bamboo cups? There are alternatives to frickn' plastic.Yup. And with no oil, say goodbye to plastics as we know them.
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True. But let me pose this, my corn "plastic" mug is comparable in price, looks, and function to a standard regular plastic mug. Don't you think that people will choose to buy the environmentally responsible product if given the choice of comparable products? This is the dastardly optimist in me coming out. I don't allow him to surface too often as he tends to get "head-slapped".Right, I said plastics "as we know them". Of course there are alternatives, good luck mainstreaming them is all I'm saying. It will be interesting to see it happen when we have no choice, how people react to having to pay lots more for stuff we get at WalMart for 49¢.
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Not in my experience. Good on you for being enlightened, but I don't think the majority is. I didn't know that corn plastic was so cheap though, maybe all is not as bleak as I think.Notorik wrote:True. But let me pose this, my corn "plastic" mug is comparable in price, looks, and function to a standard regular plastic mug. Don't you think that people will choose to buy the environmentally responsible product if given the choice of comparable products? This is the dastardly optimist in me coming out. I don't allow him to surface too often as he tends to get "head-slapped".Right, I said plastics "as we know them". Of course there are alternatives, good luck mainstreaming them is all I'm saying. It will be interesting to see it happen when we have no choice, how people react to having to pay lots more for stuff we get at WalMart for 49¢.
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corn is displacing food farming, driving up prices of basic commodities such as rice and beansNotorik wrote:But let me pose this, my corn "plastic" mug is comparable in price, looks, and function to a standard regular plastic mug.
which is the the bulk of my diet, and which has doubled in price since the corn madness began
sadly, though i can buy damn near everything else used, thus doing my bit in reducing all manufacturing [and landfilling to boot], food has to be bought new
oh what can a poor man eat these days?
actually, since posting, i realized that i do get a bit of used food
i've given up on the food bank since their takeover by the assembly of god church [scary and pestering and the food is mostly boxed and canned crap]
but two-day-old baked goods are still delivered to a shelf in the health department, including fancy breads and bagels
and action for eastern montana gets a bunch of other outdated stuff - fruit juices, yogurt, those expensive bags of spinach and other 'prepared' veggies, once even tofu and kimchi [a bugman top ten food favorite!]
all counts as used, in the context of purchase and disposal
i've given up on the food bank since their takeover by the assembly of god church [scary and pestering and the food is mostly boxed and canned crap]
but two-day-old baked goods are still delivered to a shelf in the health department, including fancy breads and bagels
and action for eastern montana gets a bunch of other outdated stuff - fruit juices, yogurt, those expensive bags of spinach and other 'prepared' veggies, once even tofu and kimchi [a bugman top ten food favorite!]
all counts as used, in the context of purchase and disposal
tubeguy wrote:Not in my experience. Good on you for being enlightened, but I don't think the majority is. I didn't know that corn plastic was so cheap though, maybe all is not as bleak as I think.Notorik wrote:True. But let me pose this, my corn "plastic" mug is comparable in price, looks, and function to a standard regular plastic mug. Don't you think that people will choose to buy the environmentally responsible product if given the choice of comparable products? This is the dastardly optimist in me coming out. I don't allow him to surface too often as he tends to get "head-slapped".Right, I said plastics "as we know them". Of course there are alternatives, good luck mainstreaming them is all I'm saying. It will be interesting to see it happen when we have no choice, how people react to having to pay lots more for stuff we get at WalMart for 49¢.
The corn-based plastic isn't really that cheap, it's heavily government-subsidized. It's nearly impossible to figure out the actual cost of anything involving corn, given that there are subsidies both to grow it and for non-food applications. I'm not really criticizing, that same sort of thing goes into almost anything related to the environment these days.
Something else I didn't know. Well I guess we have to start somewhere, if it takes subsidies to get corn production for oil going then that's what it takes to start weaning ourselves off prehistoric fuel supplies.TomRhymer wrote:The corn-based plastic isn't really that cheap, it's heavily government-subsidized. It's nearly impossible to figure out the actual cost of anything involving corn, given that there are subsidies both to grow it and for non-food applications. I'm not really criticizing, that same sort of thing goes into almost anything related to the environment these days.tubeguy wrote:Not in my experience. Good on you for being enlightened, but I don't think the majority is. I didn't know that corn plastic was so cheap though, maybe all is not as bleak as I think.Notorik wrote: True. But let me pose this, my corn "plastic" mug is comparable in price, looks, and function to a standard regular plastic mug. Don't you think that people will choose to buy the environmentally responsible product if given the choice of comparable products? This is the dastardly optimist in me coming out. I don't allow him to surface too often as he tends to get "head-slapped".
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