2.12 ran OK for months, then stopped loading
2.12 ran OK for months, then stopped loading
I have been running Puppy 2.12 for months with no issues on my IBM Thinkpad T22. I had a similar issue many many months ago. It was suggested I use [puppy irqpoll] at boot and it has worked great ever since! I love Puppy and I use it more then 80% of all my OS needs.
Today, I added text-to-speech Festival server and during that current session it worked fine. After dinner, I went back on to work on it more to figure out how get it to work with programs. (I am a developer moving to Linux.) And everything then died....
I have tried to boot with Puppy a dozen times and get the following:
Loading vmlinuz.....................
Loading initrd.gz..............
Ready.
Uncompressing Linux... OK, booting the kernel.
[Then it hangs...]
When I reboot into Windows 98SE, everything is OK in Windows.
Any ideas would be greatly appreciated.
Mark
Today, I added text-to-speech Festival server and during that current session it worked fine. After dinner, I went back on to work on it more to figure out how get it to work with programs. (I am a developer moving to Linux.) And everything then died....
I have tried to boot with Puppy a dozen times and get the following:
Loading vmlinuz.....................
Loading initrd.gz..............
Ready.
Uncompressing Linux... OK, booting the kernel.
[Then it hangs...]
When I reboot into Windows 98SE, everything is OK in Windows.
Any ideas would be greatly appreciated.
Mark
I'm booting off the CD-ROM for Puppy 2.12 and HD for Windows. When I turn on the laptop, I can push F12 and select which boot device. When I select HD, Win98 boots OK. When I select boot from CD-ROM, I get what I listed above. Like I said, it has worked like a charm for months and I have been using it daily. I just want Puppy back... -Mark
Clean the cd with luke warm water and a mild liquid hand or dish soap. Use a non-abrasive cloth (cotton, not paper towel) or fingers to wipe it. Use back and forth motions, not circular. Let air dry or dry with cotton cloth.
Test.
If that doesn't work, use 'puppy pfix=ram' at the boot prompt and see if you can boot at all (this will disable your saved session data).
Report back.
Test.
If that doesn't work, use 'puppy pfix=ram' at the boot prompt and see if you can boot at all (this will disable your saved session data).
Report back.
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Check if the CD is working on boot by typing
"puppy pfix=ram"
No doubt you have copied pup_212.sfs to the HD which also speeds up loading? Maybe do that again (/mnt/home)
If you can wait a few days the second beta (I am using the first) will allow you to upgrade, in case there has been some corruption on the CD. I have used Festival and consider it stable.
Spend the next few days in Windows SE
"I was aiming to release 2.13BETA2 on New Years Day. So if you have anything by the 31st Dec I'll put it in." Barry
http://puppylinux.org/wikka/Puppy213
Hopefully the final version will be available a few days after that.
It is a very nice release
"puppy pfix=ram"
No doubt you have copied pup_212.sfs to the HD which also speeds up loading? Maybe do that again (/mnt/home)
If you can wait a few days the second beta (I am using the first) will allow you to upgrade, in case there has been some corruption on the CD. I have used Festival and consider it stable.
Spend the next few days in Windows SE
"I was aiming to release 2.13BETA2 on New Years Day. So if you have anything by the 31st Dec I'll put it in." Barry
http://puppylinux.org/wikka/Puppy213
Hopefully the final version will be available a few days after that.
It is a very nice release
BIOS changed? Tried cheat codes?
The way to resurrect CD is not quite as you'd expect. Remember that the data tracks are underneath the label side. If there's a problem, first try spray coating the label with a thin film of matt black paint (presuming most folks won't be able to precipitate a silver mirror over it). The underside can be brutally reconditioned, but this is only necessary if very deep scratches are causing laser deflection by refraction and internal reflection. In this case, abrade the surface with VIM and soap - these provide a magnesia abrasive (the 'softest' ) in a surfactant matrix. This needs to be repeated until a uniform dull surface results. This can then be successively repolished with acrylic polish, extensively used in the trade for cleaning up plastics used on consumer durables. For music CDs, best to burn individual tracks to HD, doctor any really bad ones with a suitable music editing utility and burn them back onto a fresh CD. All of these techniques involve disproportionate time and effort, so is only worthwhile for irreplaceable masterpieces.
The way to resurrect CD is not quite as you'd expect. Remember that the data tracks are underneath the label side. If there's a problem, first try spray coating the label with a thin film of matt black paint (presuming most folks won't be able to precipitate a silver mirror over it). The underside can be brutally reconditioned, but this is only necessary if very deep scratches are causing laser deflection by refraction and internal reflection. In this case, abrade the surface with VIM and soap - these provide a magnesia abrasive (the 'softest' ) in a surfactant matrix. This needs to be repeated until a uniform dull surface results. This can then be successively repolished with acrylic polish, extensively used in the trade for cleaning up plastics used on consumer durables. For music CDs, best to burn individual tracks to HD, doctor any really bad ones with a suitable music editing utility and burn them back onto a fresh CD. All of these techniques involve disproportionate time and effort, so is only worthwhile for irreplaceable masterpieces.
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Or just burn another CD in Windows, assuming that's how you did it in the first place?
The Puppy CD won't know that he's a clone of the previous Puppy, and will still read your save file on the HD (assuming it isn't multi-session).
Or did I miss that you'd already tried that?
Or check the CD in a different PC?
The Puppy CD won't know that he's a clone of the previous Puppy, and will still read your save file on the HD (assuming it isn't multi-session).
Or did I miss that you'd already tried that?
Or check the CD in a different PC?
it seems a scratched &/or discombobulated cdrom is the most likely culprit. you could check by booting the cdrom on another computer, if you have one available.
it's always good practice to backup your pup_save.sfs file, so that you don't have to reconfigure things etc. Also, since you've got win98 on your hard disk, why not try a frugal, (co-exist), install, as puppy will cause no problems to your windows install, it's the easiest puppy to upgrade, and you don't need to boot from cdrom.
it's always good practice to backup your pup_save.sfs file, so that you don't have to reconfigure things etc. Also, since you've got win98 on your hard disk, why not try a frugal, (co-exist), install, as puppy will cause no problems to your windows install, it's the easiest puppy to upgrade, and you don't need to boot from cdrom.
Many thanks again for all the support. I have tried all the suggestions and nothing has changed. I can boot Puppy with the same CD on two of my desktops OK. But not on my laptop which I use daily for that on the go stuff. In addition, I have dial-up at home and access T1/T3 lines at work and libraries with my laptop. So, without it, I'm much less productive as well as home based instead of the cafe where I am more productive! Any other thoughts would be very much appreciated. I miss my Puppy. Really... -Mark
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Yes, that is correct. In fact I copied the pup_save.3fs file to another machine that has never had Puppy loaded on it and it all worked just fine with the same CD-ROM! Weird.
I did have IRQ issues before I tried [puppy irqpoll]. When I have entered [puppy irqpoll] for the past few months, everything has worked fine until the other day... It boots OK with Win98SE just fine. Could there be a IRQ issue or boot loader issue? I'm not an expert in GRUB and MBR stuff. Again, I really appreciate all the advice. -Mark
I did have IRQ issues before I tried [puppy irqpoll]. When I have entered [puppy irqpoll] for the past few months, everything has worked fine until the other day... It boots OK with Win98SE just fine. Could there be a IRQ issue or boot loader issue? I'm not an expert in GRUB and MBR stuff. Again, I really appreciate all the advice. -Mark
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I myself have only just tonight finally gotten Puppy arranged up to where I can burn a live CD (actually DVD) with it. So I'm not expert here.mwestlund wrote:Yes, that is correct..Could there be a IRQ issue or boot loader issue? I'm not an expert in GRUB and MBR stuff. Again, I really appreciate all the advice. -Mark
At this stage my questions would be:
1. Starting GRUB from an autoexec.bat, with the line
c:\grub.exe --config-file=(hd0,0)/boot/grub/menu.lst
and with menu.lst in c:\boot\grub as
timeout 5
default 0
title Puppy from disk
rootnoverify (hd0,0)
kernel (hd0,0)/vmlinuz root=/dev/ram0 irqpoll PMEDIA=idehd PDEV1=hda1 PHOME=hda1
initrd (hd0,0)/initrd.gz
boot
with vmlinuz, initrd.gz, and pup_2xx.sfs copied from the CD into C:\...will it boot, in other words will a straight frugal install start?
and
2. Starting Win98 Device Manager, is anything amiss?
Software should not have burned anything new on the CD --er, that IS just a player in your T22, not a burner, right?
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Get Grub for DOS at
http://sourceforge.net/project/showfile ... _id=104188
Scroll down a ways. Current version is
grub_for_dos-0.4.2.zip
but I'm still using 0.4.1 and it works OK.
Unzip it to a temp directory (in Win98). Put grub.exe in c:\ and the rest goes in a \boot subdir.
The other variety, WinGRUB, is for installing GRUB to the MBR which is unnecessary unless you are on an NTFS filesystem.
http://sourceforge.net/project/showfile ... _id=104188
Scroll down a ways. Current version is
grub_for_dos-0.4.2.zip
but I'm still using 0.4.1 and it works OK.
Unzip it to a temp directory (in Win98). Put grub.exe in c:\ and the rest goes in a \boot subdir.
The other variety, WinGRUB, is for installing GRUB to the MBR which is unnecessary unless you are on an NTFS filesystem.