FirePup v0.04.3 released nov12/08

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zenfunk · #141 Post by **zenfunk** » Wed 18 Mar 2009, 15:42

First of all thanks for this nice and fully featured browser which is noticeably faster than normal firefox.

2 Questions:
First: Firepup uses about 85 MB Ram just to show the Google.com startpage according to top. Is this normal behavior? Unfortunately I didn't look for stock firefox since I don't have it installed. Top was run right after booting and right after starting firepup, no other webpages other than the startpage where visited before. I did install flashplugin 9.something though. Would it help to get rid of some of the plugins? Swiftfox comes to my mind...

Second:
How about building firepup with GTK 1.2 bindings for the next version?
It has been done with Firefox 2.0:
http://www.lamarelle.org/mo-zi-lla/mozilla.php#fx

#142 Post by **ttuuxxx** » Wed 18 Mar 2009, 15:57

zenfunk wrote:First of all thanks for this nice and fully featured browser which is noticeably faster than normal firefox.

2 Questions:
First: Firepup uses about 85 MB Ram just to show the Google.com startpage according to top. Is this normal behavior? Unfortunately I didn't look for stock firefox since I don't have it installed. Top was run right after booting and right after starting firepup, no other webpages other than the startpage where visited before. I did install flashplugin 9.something though. Would it help to get rid of some of the plugins? Swiftfox comes to my mind...

Second:
How about building firepup with GTK 1.2 bindings for the next version?
It has been done with Firefox 2.0:
http://www.lamarelle.org/mo-zi-lla/mozilla.php#fx

Naa it shouldn't be 85mb of ram when the whole folder is around 34MB extracted, somethings up.
you might want to open a command line and type
ldd firefox
and see what is missing etc.
as for the next one being built with gtk1.2 wow what a request. I would have to get one of my older puppy's booted up for that. I'll have to sleep on it:) Right now I'm upgrading 4.2 to a point where FF3 should run smooth, its really tricky, I might have to make a whole new puppy release, because we are talking glib, gtk, cairo upgrades to the latest releases. I'm at the last part right now. Gtk if all goes well, maybe just a massive upgrade.
ttuuxxx

mikeb · #143 Post by **mikeb** » Wed 18 Mar 2009, 17:03

Firepup uses about 85 MB Ram just to show the Google.com

well with firefox 1.5 + ram is grabbed if its available as a cache for browsing back and forth and multiple tabs to speed things up.
The more ram you have the larger the amount. If this ram is needed by another application then it can be given up.
The amount and whether this happens can be set in about:config but firefox is not really hogging memory as such...just using it for convenience if its free...the core requirements for ram are much lower ~ 12mb

hope that clarifies

mike

#144 Post by **ttuuxxx** » Wed 18 Mar 2009, 17:23

Hi mike well the good news all the updates didn't kill my system

it has the latest, Cairo, Pango, Gtk2, Glib, Atk, Png Plus Flash 10 and the latest Firefox 3.0.7, and when I go to https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox
and try to scroll its still gittery, what could it be, ?
I did the ldd firefox-bin and nothing is missing or outdated,
The best way to try it out is by the browser, click on addons and and get more, then you'll see straight away the dialog is slow, then the website opens up and its slow.
maybe its the gnome parts, hmmm I'll try my compiled version tomorrow.
ttuuxxx

mikeb · #145 Post by **mikeb** » Wed 18 Mar 2009, 18:07

and when I go to https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox
and try to scroll its still gittery, what could it be, ?

hmm a bit clunky on firefox 2008 on 700mhz but that's not surprising.

Smooth on 1,2ghz notebook, puppy 4.12 , ff 3.07 , glib 1.800 but ff was definately struggling with 1.400 so seems very sensitive to version present and often struggling is a prelude to a crash

mike

zenfunk · #146 Post by **zenfunk** » Wed 18 Mar 2009, 18:09

Thanks for the clarification about the ram issue.

wosifat · #147 Post by **wosifat** » Sat 21 Mar 2009, 15:51

Subito Piano wrote:A cheap way to chat in facebook -- open a tab and go to http://www.facebook.com/presence/popout.php

yeah -- chintzy!

It's nice, but logs out every time I check another tab. Annoying.

#148 Post by **ttuuxxx** » Mon 06 Apr 2009, 09:15

Updated with a 2MB smaller compressed version, same pugins just lighter and a bit faster. Some say "ttuuxxx, your experimental firepup runs like a rocket, on this old thing.. "
ttuuxxx

tectron · #149 Post by **tectron** » Mon 06 Apr 2009, 12:44

Ive tried this out on my old 300mhz laptop and there is a substantial speed increase, are the source files available?Is it possible to install this in other distros like Debian? or is it puppy specific?

#150 Post by **ttuuxxx** » Mon 06 Apr 2009, 12:58

tectron wrote:Ive tried this out on my old 300mhz laptop and there is a substantial speed increase, are the source files available?Is it possible to install this in other distros like Debian? or is it puppy specific?

Just rename the extension from .pet .tar.gz and extract it and then copy the directories over, It will work in debian.
If you get 2 errors when extracting it, that fine, Thats nothing important, its just part of the process and won't damage the outcome. Forget the sources its extremely complicated, You can find Them at redhat it was the final release of 1.5 which they provided security updates 1 yr after 1.5 final was released and then I added some parts from 2.17 and 3.0 after they were all compiled the same. Then I started the tweaking/theming etc. It would be a lot easier just to rename it and use it

would save you maybe around 80hrs of work with trial and error.
ttuuxxx

01micko · #151 Post by **01micko** » Mon 06 Apr 2009, 13:04

ttuuxxx wrote:Updated with a 2MB smaller compressed version, same pugins just lighter and a bit faster. Some say "ttuuxxx, your experimental firepup runs like a rocket, on this old thing.. "
ttuuxxx

Who would have said that? (

)

... and it was in an "spup" built from "woof".. hehe... which does increase peformance of the whole machine dramatically, kernel 2.6.27.9, so it is a different ke(rnel)ttle of fish!

tectron · #152 Post by **tectron** » Mon 06 Apr 2009, 13:05

Awesome, Thanks.

Steve

wosifat · #153 Post by **wosifat** » Mon 06 Apr 2009, 13:46

I may have missed it somewhere, but has it been divulged how to get Firepup and Firefox coexisting?
And which is the best version of Firefox outside of Firepup?

mikeb · #154 Post by **mikeb** » Mon 06 Apr 2009, 13:55

And which is the best version of Firefox outside of Firepup?

Non

Well I stuck with firefox 1.5 cos it seemed the bast compromise between compatability, speed , size and stability ... only blob is a weird incompatability between it and flash 9 and gtk 2.8 but that doesn't affects puppies 2.10 to 2.17.

firefox 1 is a bit behind on web standards, 2 behaves ok once tamed but a bit bloaty, 3 should be better but still beta quality on linux.

just my 2 p worth

mike

#155 Post by **ttuuxxx** » Mon 06 Apr 2009, 14:14

wosifat wrote:I may have missed it somewhere, but has it been divulged how to get Firepup and Firefox coexisting?
And which is the best version of Firefox outside of Firepup?

you might want to try icecat which is Gnu version of firefox Thats the easiest way of having them both running, but its nowhere near the spped of Firepup.
http://www.puppylinux.ca/tpp/ttuuxxx/pr ... tuuxxx.pet
ttuuxxx

wosifat · #156 Post by **wosifat** » Mon 06 Apr 2009, 14:55

mikeb wrote:
And which is the best version of Firefox outside of Firepup?
Non

Well I stuck with firefox 1.5 cos it seemed the bast compromise between compatability, speed , size and stability ... only blob is a weird incompatability between it and flash 9 and gtk 2.8 but that doesn't affects puppies 2.10 to 2.17.

firefox 1 is a bit behind on web standards, 2 behaves ok once tamed but a bit bloaty, 3 should be better but still beta quality on linux.

just my 2 p worth

mike

My biggest problem with Firefox 1 is that I can't display chat and notifications in Facebook (and I've gotten hooked on Facebook.) 3 crashes too much. Any tips on taming 2?

#157 Post by **ttuuxxx** » Mon 06 Apr 2009, 15:19

Try this version of firefox, it comes with flash also.
http://www.puppylinux.ca/tpp/ttuuxxx/pr ... irefox.pet
it has semi-automatic updates, Its up to you if you want to update or not, but as series 2 went, 2.0 was unstable on p[uppy about mid way around 2.10 it was stable. Then the speed started dropping off, with each release.
ttuuxxx

mikeb · #158 Post by **mikeb** » Mon 06 Apr 2009, 16:51

Any tips on taming 2?

disable the anti dodgy site list building which can become huge...

flash block seems worth having generally.

I use cache set to zero.

More generally I noticed firefox on deviantart has a huge memory leak problem ( not to mention 300k of javascript) Sites like that, facebook, myspace etc do not help with stability issues...write and complain....show them readouts from validation/speed optimization sites...do a dance

I don't like the later firefox's anyway ... just blame the lodger...I want new followed by...why does it crash?

ok time to skip off

mike

mikeb · #159 Post by **mikeb** » Thu 09 Apr 2009, 11:39

Ttuuxxx ....can firefox be compiled using the standard puppy devx setup and is it relatively straight forward?

MIke

#160 Post by **ttuuxxx** » Thu 09 Apr 2009, 14:06

mikeb wrote:Ttuuxxx ....can firefox be compiled using the standard puppy devx setup and is it relatively straight forward?

MIke

well FF1,ff2 series yes easy, ff3 you need the libpng release I posted on here like 10 times, lol with apng (animated png) then go to the mozilla site and they have examples how to configure FF, It would save around 3MB compressed if you configure it properly.

A usual configure script will have about 15-20 different --enable, --disable, etc
hope that helps
ttuuxxx

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