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https://www.newyorker.com/news/annals-o ... 5g-network

The future of wireless technology holds the promise of total connectivity. But it will also be especially susceptible to cyberattacks and surveillance.

Two words explain the difference between our current wireless networks and 5G: speed and latency. 5G—if you believe the hype—is expected to be up to a hundred times faster. (A two-hour movie could be downloaded in less than four seconds.) That speed will reduce, and possibly eliminate, the delay—the latency—between instructing a computer to perform a command and its execution. This, again, if you believe the hype, will https://betanews.com/2019/06/10/netgear ... aphic/lead to a whole new Internet of Things, where everything from toasters to dog collars to dialysis pumps to running shoes will be connected. Remote robotic surgery will be routine, the military will develop hypersonic weapons, and autonomous vehicles will cruise safely along smart highways. The claims are extravagant, and the stakes are high. One estimate projects that 5G will pump twelve trillion dollars into the global economy by 2035, and add twenty-two million new jobs in the United States alone. This 5G world, we are told, will usher in a fourth industrial revolution.

Further reading :
Wi-Fi past, present and future
https://betanews.com/2019/06/10/netgear ... nfographic

What a load of "something".


The IOT has been hyped for a long time, and there are uses. BUT does anyone actually have an IOT toaster, fridge, shoes etc?

Does 5G penetrate through tin foil?

Most of the bandwidth will get sucked up by teenagers watching super high resolution 3D pornography on virtual reality glasses.

The really terrifying thing is the COST, and that is due to the following...

1.) the 28GHz band that will provide the service cannot penetrate through a wall.
2.) Therefore, a system of antennae within the house must be grouped together and uploaded to the Cell Tower.
3.) Again, due to the 28GHz band, there has to be MANY more towers installed, closer together.
4.) The above 3 factors, all due to the properties of operating in the 28GHz band, and the physical properties of the 28GHz band ( lack of penetration power, and lack of 'line-of-sight' transmission ) is an enormous burden for the subscriber to pay.

BTW, those Towers run on electricity, with a diesel generator backup.

Food for Thought
8Geee

PS: Tin Foil Hats need to be grounded

Real 5G will work between 2.5 -4.2 gigahertz. But, the current FCC is hyping 28-37 gigahertz where the range is "a few hundred feet" line of sight only.

btw, ATT is already labelling some of their phones with some kind of pseudo 5g labels (5G E). It is the same scam as the 4g label they used in the past to imply LTE - it was actually 3G, HSPA+. They got away with that here because the official 4G spec was not implemented. Only LTE-advanced qualifies as true 4G in the US, as far as I know.

Run for the hills

Penguins and Lobsters first. Abandon the children, Someone will think of them.

Who is terrified by faster broadband?

Not me.

FUD Rulz 5G? Who would have guessed? Nowhere is safe. Hide in your microwave with your best dog. Ensure 5G IOT is activated ... Use your phone to turn on microwave - fail due to AI + 5G + IoT

Its not the faster broadband, its the human implementation, Losters, Penguins, and Puppies aside.
Stupid Human Tricks are well documented, start with Gov't, and then Utility Providers.

BTW... how's your upload speed ?

Let's not burn mobile phone masts down, and let's not be persuaded to believe the coronavirus is caused by 5G.

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-52164358

Some people prefer stay with 4G, they are not ready for 5G yet ...

This time the Dutch's turn ...

A few thoughts about 5 Gee.

1) Back when we had a lot of folks on dialup and low end DSL web pages took several seconds to load. Today with our much faster network, webpages again often take that long because they download about a zillion "frameworks" and stuff like that.

2) Web-2.0 is largely dead because companies are changing or removing their APIs and otherwise making it impossible for robots to interact with them because they need to show you ads to get money.

3) Super high resolution video is no advantage when a movie's story outright sucks. Springsteen's "57 Channels And Nothings On" may need a bit of updating but it is still as true today as ever. In his entire career Shakespeare only wrote some 37 plays. This means that most trips to the Globe Theater would be to see a rerun of an old play. BTW: The old Law and Order is still good and is at 640/480 other there abouts.

4) 5G and the like is going to make us depend more and more on systems with single failure points. The short range means that a lot of hops are needed. In slightly more rural places all the hops will go through one site.

5) The "S" in "IOT" has always stood for security. The app you have to download to make your toaster work will be how the hackers empty your bank account. With 5G they will do it in well under a second while you are trying to toast an "English muffin".

6) The evil governments of the world will find ways to use it for evil and will evil corporations etc. This will be one reason people will work to block 5G.

Hmm, I got my first 'mobile' phone in 1984. I got my first 4G 'smart' phone in 2019, and I don't see that I need 5G.

I believe it is still a personal choice to upgrade to a 5G phone.

If it scares you, don't!

dancytron wrote:Most of the bandwidth will get sucked up by teenagers watching super high resolution 3D pornography on virtual reality glasses.

I'm more inclined to believe that more bandwith will be sucked up by AI driven high frequency trading.

If you want to talk about a need for speed, then look no further.

In these corona-times, people here in Norway are encouraged to work from home, if they can. The introduction of 5G will in a near future allow several additional types of businesses to have a large percentage of their workforce working from home. It will allow the companies to keep their existing offices or production locales, while keeping a safe distance between those employees who are needed in the workplace.

How secure 4g 5g lte?
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