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No Gnome 4 Puppy?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GNOME
Now we have slackware compatibility . . . any Gnomees interested in creating a full ISO or sfs?
Nearly Gnome
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewto ... 6915#76915
These resources and Gnome advocates are keen . . .
http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic. ... 344#149344
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Lobster, I'm fascinated by Mark's contribution on that page. In fact I downloaded his dotpups because as you may have gathered I've stayed my foray into recent versions having discovered that halfway through the ver 2 (2.12 onwards and also all the v3 so far, one cannot get them to run on a range of not so recent computers, of which there are many going begging for free or nearly free, and which will run really well with what I suspect are earlier kernels.
I believe earlier Puppy needs to still target that market, so I've been working away for some weeks with dev versions of 2.10pro and 2.02r2, using my developed menus and a limited range of add-on apps, with considerable success.
This is why I've had to avoid joining Robert's "Talking Stick" as I can sense a need for some of those early machines to be updated in looks.
Anyway, being familiar with the Gnome desktop (through Sun Java Desktop System v2 - based on SuSE 8.2 - and from LinuxMint v3 which also offers XFCE as an optional WM) I'm intrigued with the mixture of a Gnome and a JWM taskbar on 2.11 using MU's modifications. I do have problems, and realise I'm not as knowledgeable as I had hoped.
I'm struggling with the ability to select the Gnome desktop (and get it work) - except by accident - and also to locate the whereabouts of the Gnome menu structure - which needs to be edited manually to be useable. But I guess either I'll stumble across both, or someone will prod me in the right direction
The strange thing is that if you perchance get a (background-less) Gnome desktop up and running, you automatically lose the Gnome taskbar. However, you can get it back, but the Gnome desktop's icons need moving when that happens. It is far from perfect in its initial state... needs more work... will report back...
Got some pix here, go look at
http://micro-hard.homelinux.net/puppy/G ... y/captures
And my button bars seem to work nicely on both the Gnome desktop and the Puppy desktop.
I believe earlier Puppy needs to still target that market, so I've been working away for some weeks with dev versions of 2.10pro and 2.02r2, using my developed menus and a limited range of add-on apps, with considerable success.
This is why I've had to avoid joining Robert's "Talking Stick" as I can sense a need for some of those early machines to be updated in looks.
Anyway, being familiar with the Gnome desktop (through Sun Java Desktop System v2 - based on SuSE 8.2 - and from LinuxMint v3 which also offers XFCE as an optional WM) I'm intrigued with the mixture of a Gnome and a JWM taskbar on 2.11 using MU's modifications. I do have problems, and realise I'm not as knowledgeable as I had hoped.
I'm struggling with the ability to select the Gnome desktop (and get it work) - except by accident - and also to locate the whereabouts of the Gnome menu structure - which needs to be edited manually to be useable. But I guess either I'll stumble across both, or someone will prod me in the right direction
The strange thing is that if you perchance get a (background-less) Gnome desktop up and running, you automatically lose the Gnome taskbar. However, you can get it back, but the Gnome desktop's icons need moving when that happens. It is far from perfect in its initial state... needs more work... will report back...
Got some pix here, go look at
http://micro-hard.homelinux.net/puppy/G ... y/captures
And my button bars seem to work nicely on both the Gnome desktop and the Puppy desktop.
[i]Have you noticed editing is always needed for the inevitable typos that weren't there when you hit the "post" button?[/i]
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a taste of thing to come
I am interested in this, since Puppy was like my first distro and I haven't used the gnome desktop. This could be a problem because I do not know what does each program.Lobster wrote:Now we have slackware compatibility . . . any Gnomees interested in creating a full ISO or sfs?
Anyway, this is what I have installed so far(Puppy-396):
- libxml2-2.6.30
libgpg-error-1.6.tar.bz2
libgcrypt-1.4.0.tar.bz2
gnome-common-2.20.0
Python-2.5.1
intltool-0.36.3.tar.bz2
rarian-0.7.1.tar.bz2
ORBit2-2.14.10.tar.bz2
shared-mime-info-0.22
GConf-2.20.1.tar.bz2
libbonobo-2.20.3.tar.bz2
gail-1.20.2
at-spi-1.20.1
gnome-mime-data-2.18.0
desktop-file-utils-0.12
libdaemon-0.12
dbus-1.0.2
dbus-glib-0.74
dbus-python-0.82.3
pygobject-2.14.1
pycairo-1.4.0
pygtk-2.12.1
libvolume_id-0.81.0("udev" slackware-12 package)
hal-0.5.9.1
gamin-0.1.8
gnome-vfs-2.20.1
gnome-doc-utils-0.12.0
esound-0.2.38
libgnome-2.20.1.1
libgnomecanvas-2.20.1.1
libbonoboui-2.20.0
hicolor-icon-theme-0.10
icon-naming-utils-0.8.6
gnome-icon-theme-2.20.0
gnome-keyring-2.20.3
libgnomeui-2.20.1.1
gnome-menus-2.20.3
alacarte-0.11.3
libtasn1-1.3
opencdk-0.6.6
gnutls-2.2.1
libsoup-2.2.104
evolution-data-server-1.12.3
libgtop-2.20.1
startup-notification-0.8
gtk-engines-2.12.2
gnome-themes-2.20.2
gnome-desktop-2.20.3
libcm-0.1.1
metacity-2.20.2
libgsf-1.14.7
libcroco-0.6.1
eel-2.20.0
nautilus-2.20.0
libxklavier-3.4
libgnomekbd-2.20.0
gstreamer-0.10.15
liboil-0.3.12
libvisual-0.4.0
libtheora-1.0beta2
gst-plugins-base-0.10.15
libwnck-2.20.3
gnome-panel-2.20.3
gnome-control-center-2.20.1
pyorbit-2.14.3
gnome-python-2.20.1
libnotify-0.4.4
gnome-mount-0.6
nautilus-cd-burner-2.20.0
gtksourceview-2.0.2
speex-1.0.5
taglib-1.4
cmake-2.4.8
neon-0.25.5
libdiscid-0.1.1
libmusicbrainz-3.0.1
musicbrainz-1.1.0
gst-plugins-good-0.10.6
iso-codes-1.0
totem-2.20.3
gnome-media-2.20.1
gnome-python-desktop-2.20.0
deskbar-applet-2.20.3
eog-2.20.4
evince-2.20.2
file-roller-2.20.3
gconf-editor-2.20.0
aspell-0.60.5
enchant-1.3.0
gedit-2.20.4
gucharmap-1.10.2
system-tools-backends-2.4.2
gnome-applets-2.20.1
gnome-backgrounds-2.20.0
gnome-keyring-manager-2.20.0
gnome-netstatus-2.12.1
gnome-nettool-2.20.0
colorblind-0.0.1
gnome-mag-0.14.10
gnome-power-manager-2.20.2
gnome-screensaver-2.20.0
gnome-session-2.20.3
libsigc++-2.1.1
[url=http://www.puppylinux.com][img]http://i.imgur.com/M4OyHe1.gif[/img][/url]
sfs for sure.Lobster wrote:Do you feel a GnomePup is possible? Nearing? Sfs?
I've only made it this far manually, with dingo A6:
ORBit-2.0
gconf
libbonobo
gnome-mime-data
dbus-glib
gnome-vfs
esound
WOW gave me some good links for Garnome or JHBuild here:
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewto ... 61&t=18478
looks like I made it a bit further that time. should check my notes here more often.
I made it all the way through one of those build scripts once but never got it to work right. I wish I could remember which one. I seem to have lost it.
Mate I would think so, but I'm not a guru nor even a nerd (lol)Lobster wrote:Wow RichardLobster, I'm fascinated by Mark's contribution on that page
Wow wow
Do you feel a GnomePup is possible? Nearing? Sfs?
But I tell you I would love to try one out. Really.
[i]Have you noticed editing is always needed for the inevitable typos that weren't there when you hit the "post" button?[/i]
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I too would like a gnome compatible Puppy.
I work with a group of genealogists that use GRAMPS and a Puppy that will run GRAMPS will be a BIG hit with the locals...and other genealogists world wide.
Eric
I work with a group of genealogists that use GRAMPS and a Puppy that will run GRAMPS will be a BIG hit with the locals...and other genealogists world wide.
Eric
[color=darkred][i]Be not afraid to grow slowly, only be afraid of standing still.[/i]
Chinese Proverb[/color]
Chinese Proverb[/color]
Screenshot attached, Gramps running in Muppy-Mini 008.2 + addon.sfs.
You also could try the addon.sfs in another Puppy.
After I extracted the debian package on a external partition, I just symlinked usr/share/gramps to /usr/share, and then ran the binary "bin/gramps".
Muppy uses the Gnome-libraries from wow, links:
Gnome-Library with gdesklets and screenlets
http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=25822
http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=25824
Mark
You also could try the addon.sfs in another Puppy.
After I extracted the debian package on a external partition, I just symlinked usr/share/gramps to /usr/share, and then ran the binary "bin/gramps".
Muppy uses the Gnome-libraries from wow, links:
Gnome-Library with gdesklets and screenlets
http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=25822
http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=25824
Mark
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Is getting bigger . . .
I've installed more packages:
glibmm-2.14.1.pet
cairomm-1.4.4.pet
gtkmm-2.12.1.pet
liboobs-2.20.0
gnome-system-monitor-2.20.2
gnome-system-tools-2.20.0
dbus-1.1.4 (upgrade)
dbus-python-0.82.4 (upgrade)
system-tools-backends-2.5.7 (upgrade)
gnome-utils-2.20.0.1
gnome-mount-0.7 (upgrade)
vino-2.20.1
rarian-0.6.0 (downgrade)
yelp-2.20.0
epiphany-2.20.3
evolution-2.12.3
evolution-webcal-2.12.0
shared-mime-info-0.23 (upgrade)
Those should be enough, I believe.
What works , what not :
glibmm-2.14.1.pet
cairomm-1.4.4.pet
gtkmm-2.12.1.pet
liboobs-2.20.0
gnome-system-monitor-2.20.2
gnome-system-tools-2.20.0
dbus-1.1.4 (upgrade)
dbus-python-0.82.4 (upgrade)
system-tools-backends-2.5.7 (upgrade)
gnome-utils-2.20.0.1
gnome-mount-0.7 (upgrade)
vino-2.20.1
rarian-0.6.0 (downgrade)
yelp-2.20.0
epiphany-2.20.3
evolution-2.12.3
evolution-webcal-2.12.0
shared-mime-info-0.23 (upgrade)
Those should be enough, I believe.
What works , what not :
- The "Exit" dialog only shows: "<Change user> <Cancel> <Log out>" reason: GDM not installed because I don't know how to make it work
gnome-mount, can't mount CD/DVD drives (only works with /bin/mount-FULL instead of /bin/mount)
gnome-mount, error "The volume '<volume name>' uses the udf file system wich is not supported by your system" trying to mount a DVD(video)
gnome-mount, removable devices are not displayed until you restart the messagebus and hald services.
service-tools-backends:File asociations in nautilus (.doc > Abiword; .sfs > filemnt; .pet > petget; etc. etc)Code: Select all
(services-admin:25386): Liboobs-WARNING **: There was an unknown error communicating with the backends: Failed to execute program /usr/libexec/dbus-daemon-launch-helper: Success
Gnome menues (thanks to MU) however I'm working on a more gnome'ish structure
dbus
HAL
gnome-mount, just click any icon in the 'Computer' folder
everything else
I would like to make 4 sfs's (gnome-2.20.3-main.sfs; dev; doc and nls)Lobster wrote:Do you feel a GnomePup is possible? Nearing? Sfs?
Me tooJohn Doe wrote:I made it all the way through one of those build scripts once but never got it to work right.
[url=http://www.puppylinux.com][img]http://i.imgur.com/M4OyHe1.gif[/img][/url]
Thanks Mark,wow,John Doe,
As soon as I get my internet connection back to somewhat reliable I'll give it a go....this will make a lot of people happy to run GRAMPS on a small fast distro. Most of the ones I know use older kit so this should fit right in.
MU..I'll try the addons.sfs on 3.01 and let you know how it goes.
Eric
As soon as I get my internet connection back to somewhat reliable I'll give it a go....this will make a lot of people happy to run GRAMPS on a small fast distro. Most of the ones I know use older kit so this should fit right in.
MU..I'll try the addons.sfs on 3.01 and let you know how it goes.
Eric
[color=darkred][i]Be not afraid to grow slowly, only be afraid of standing still.[/i]
Chinese Proverb[/color]
Chinese Proverb[/color]
This is just a preview, highly experimental, some features are not available or doesn't work properly.
The final SFS will be ready when Dingo becomes final.
Download
1. I compiled everything with puppy-3.96-seamonkey-k2.6.24.iso, for the i686 architecture and with the '/usr' prefix.
2. This SFS was packed with squashfs 3.3 and can't be mounted with earlier versions.
3. If the 'Computer' directory is empty repeat all my install instrucctions carefully.
4. If you had xvesa as the X server you will see an strange error window regarding something about the keyboard, this is normal in xvesa(AFAIK).
Enjoy.
The final SFS will be ready when Dingo becomes final.
Download
- [gnome-2.20.3test01_396.sfs] 75.75 MB (without localization, includes dev files)
- Boot Dingo-alpha-6 in ram mode(pfix=ram) then add the user 'haldaemon' and the group 'haldaemon'. Remove this file: 'gtkrc-2.0' to avoid problems with the gtk theme in Gnome.
Install [Dingo-Xorg-DRI.pet]
Copy gnome-2.20.3test01_396.sfs to the same partition where the new pup_save.2fs will be saved.
Now reboot and save the session.
To start GNOME exit X and type:Code: Select all
xwin gnome-session
1. I compiled everything with puppy-3.96-seamonkey-k2.6.24.iso, for the i686 architecture and with the '/usr' prefix.
2. This SFS was packed with squashfs 3.3 and can't be mounted with earlier versions.
3. If the 'Computer' directory is empty repeat all my install instrucctions carefully.
4. If you had xvesa as the X server you will see an strange error window regarding something about the keyboard, this is normal in xvesa(AFAIK).
Enjoy.
Last edited by wow on Fri 29 Feb 2008, 01:41, edited 1 time in total.
[url=http://www.puppylinux.com][img]http://i.imgur.com/M4OyHe1.gif[/img][/url]
News:
gnome-mount (if the disk label has spaces)
I was playing around with the "drive propierties" and fixed the "Cannot mount volume" just setting the mount point manually.
Solved the error: "The volume '<volume name>' uses the udf file system wich is not supported by your system" mounting the volume as iso9660.
I upgraded "udev" and udevd(daemon) destroyed everything in /dev/ , removed udev and reinstalled from a slackware-12 package. After start the udev service I plugged my usb flash drive and it was detected and an icon was added for it in 'Computer'.
Menu structure
applications.menu, preferences.menu and settings.menu edited. Now all puppy specific categories are showed in the default menu structure:
Added some wizards and config tools:
@prit1: That could be aproblem with squashfs's version. I made everything with puppy-3.96-seamonkey-k2.6.24.iso and haven't tested with the other isos(k2.6.23.12.iso; k2.6.21.7.iso)
gnome-mount (if the disk label has spaces)
I was playing around with the "drive propierties" and fixed the "Cannot mount volume" just setting the mount point manually.
- Problem:
Solution:
Solved the error: "The volume '<volume name>' uses the udf file system wich is not supported by your system" mounting the volume as iso9660.
I upgraded "udev" and udevd(daemon) destroyed everything in /dev/ , removed udev and reinstalled from a slackware-12 package. After start the udev service I plugged my usb flash drive and it was detected and an icon was added for it in 'Computer'.
Menu structure
applications.menu, preferences.menu and settings.menu edited. Now all puppy specific categories are showed in the default menu structure:
Added some wizards and config tools:
@prit1: That could be aproblem with squashfs's version. I made everything with puppy-3.96-seamonkey-k2.6.24.iso and haven't tested with the other isos(k2.6.23.12.iso; k2.6.21.7.iso)
[url=http://www.puppylinux.com][img]http://i.imgur.com/M4OyHe1.gif[/img][/url]
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I'd love it if someone would make a gnome pup. =D At the moment, I've done some work for with the gnome pup's we have. Here is my desktop.
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http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=27864aarf wrote:is this going anywhere now that we have dingo or is there another versuion of gnome happening elsewhere for dingo 4.00?