NOP (Nearly Office Pup) 3.01 final available for download
Xdelta results & Note
Thanks, Gray,
I now have Nop 3.01 r4 iso! It took me a while to get the Xdelta procedure right. Maybe this example will clarify -
Per Gray's post download and run the Xdelta.pet.
Download NOP301_r3_to_r4.delta
Place it in the same folder as the original puppy-301-NOP-r3.iso
(In my case this was /mnt/home/More/downloads)
Open the terminal (console) and proceed as follows, substituting your particular folder for mine:
sh-3.00# cd /mnt/home/More/downloads
sh-3.00#
sh-3.00# xdelta3 -d -s puppy-301-NOP-r3.iso NOP301_r3_to_r4.delta puppy-301-NOP-r4.iso
sh-3.00#
Let it run until the hard drive led stops flashing, and you will now see puppy-301-NOP-r4.iso in the same folder. Burn it to CD.
I did and ran it. I already had Pburn .9, but evidently e2fsck ran. I did not see the menu editor? It is still offered in both Desktop Preferences and Menu Properties and if clicked gives this message: "Unable to launch xfce4-menueditor: Failed to execute child process "xfce4-menueditor" (No such file or directory)."
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NOTE to summarize -
* The autorun at start of e2fsck fixes the problem. Of course a puppy were left running continuously, there would come a time when the accumulation of errors would require a reboot, not in line with Linux philosophy :-)
* Menu Editor not seen.
* Xdelta is good for those with slow connections and sames some server space, but not so good for non-CLI type newbies. I see that I should have been following the discussion of wNop for related items. I just was put off by the idea of Compiz - still am :-) Technically impressive, yes.
I now have Nop 3.01 r4 iso! It took me a while to get the Xdelta procedure right. Maybe this example will clarify -
Per Gray's post download and run the Xdelta.pet.
Download NOP301_r3_to_r4.delta
Place it in the same folder as the original puppy-301-NOP-r3.iso
(In my case this was /mnt/home/More/downloads)
Open the terminal (console) and proceed as follows, substituting your particular folder for mine:
sh-3.00# cd /mnt/home/More/downloads
sh-3.00#
sh-3.00# xdelta3 -d -s puppy-301-NOP-r3.iso NOP301_r3_to_r4.delta puppy-301-NOP-r4.iso
sh-3.00#
Let it run until the hard drive led stops flashing, and you will now see puppy-301-NOP-r4.iso in the same folder. Burn it to CD.
I did and ran it. I already had Pburn .9, but evidently e2fsck ran. I did not see the menu editor? It is still offered in both Desktop Preferences and Menu Properties and if clicked gives this message: "Unable to launch xfce4-menueditor: Failed to execute child process "xfce4-menueditor" (No such file or directory)."
----------------------------------
NOTE to summarize -
* The autorun at start of e2fsck fixes the problem. Of course a puppy were left running continuously, there would come a time when the accumulation of errors would require a reboot, not in line with Linux philosophy :-)
* Menu Editor not seen.
* Xdelta is good for those with slow connections and sames some server space, but not so good for non-CLI type newbies. I see that I should have been following the discussion of wNop for related items. I just was put off by the idea of Compiz - still am :-) Technically impressive, yes.
Last edited by Henry on Fri 11 Jan 2008, 19:29, edited 2 times in total.
Hey this seems like a great build here but QTParted is HORRIBLE! It seemed to like my Dell Latitude but when I tried running it on a Demenision it just crashes every time. grrr.... might want to revisit GParted on your next release because this program works hit or miss at best...
Edit:
Also, when trying to install onto another usb drive using te Universal Installer, it calls for Gparted to start and make the device bootable which then just skips and goes to the install screen.
Edit:
Also, when trying to install onto another usb drive using te Universal Installer, it calls for Gparted to start and make the device bootable which then just skips and goes to the install screen.
Hello.
I just want to say that I really like NOP 3.01. And I just like it more and more the more i realise that the programs and menu is in fact very careful set up. Very nice result you got, gray. And its perfect to have Open Office as an sfs package.
Now, if one could get java as a sfs package...........
I am a newbie generally in Linux and programming so I am in no way capable of creating pet or pup or sfs packages. Will not say much more except that the blabber of mine (while learning puppylinux and NOP 3.01) you can find on this blog:
http://my.opera.com/kattami/blog/
The avatar shows the desktop I have on NOP 3.01 btw.
Other than that, I have noticed that Xfwm4 windows manager IS faster than JWM in Puppylinux 3.01.
And I have a Fujitsu Amilo Si 1520, so its a pretty fast laptop.
It surprised me that it was quicker so that made me wonder if JWM has something that slowed it down. Or maybe this specific set of programs and Xfw4 windows manager made it quicker.
On the other side I too have the glitch that I get less and less memory. Something else I discovered was that when I uninstalled programs with pet package manager or gslapt, then the program files was still in my .2fs file.
So I have to start from scratch again with NOP 3.01 r4 and add what I absolutely know I have to have and then make a new LiveCD.
Thanks for this very nice distro!
Sincerely
kattami
I just want to say that I really like NOP 3.01. And I just like it more and more the more i realise that the programs and menu is in fact very careful set up. Very nice result you got, gray. And its perfect to have Open Office as an sfs package.
Now, if one could get java as a sfs package...........
I am a newbie generally in Linux and programming so I am in no way capable of creating pet or pup or sfs packages. Will not say much more except that the blabber of mine (while learning puppylinux and NOP 3.01) you can find on this blog:
http://my.opera.com/kattami/blog/
The avatar shows the desktop I have on NOP 3.01 btw.
Other than that, I have noticed that Xfwm4 windows manager IS faster than JWM in Puppylinux 3.01.
And I have a Fujitsu Amilo Si 1520, so its a pretty fast laptop.
It surprised me that it was quicker so that made me wonder if JWM has something that slowed it down. Or maybe this specific set of programs and Xfw4 windows manager made it quicker.
On the other side I too have the glitch that I get less and less memory. Something else I discovered was that when I uninstalled programs with pet package manager or gslapt, then the program files was still in my .2fs file.
So I have to start from scratch again with NOP 3.01 r4 and add what I absolutely know I have to have and then make a new LiveCD.
Thanks for this very nice distro!
Sincerely
kattami
More notes, email, etc.
I have been using Nop 3.01 r4 since it appeared daily and it is excellent! Please disregard my previously reported problems, most of which were because of the omission of e2fsck in earlier versions and some because of my initialisation oversights in Opera.
One exception. however, remains. Sometimes (infrequently, sorry I can't specify further) when I start Nop the lower left menu does not appear and full amplitude vertical lines keep scrolling through the CPU graph. Restarting (from the upper panel) usually clears this.
About email. This has nothing to do with Nop, but I'll put it here anyway. I extensively tested and used both Sylpheed and the built-in Opera M2 email 9.25 with my huge real world Pop3 email files.
Sylpheed is very likeable, simple and elegant. Very small and fast, conventional folders. But attachment handling is odd/confusing - it shows the paperclip icon for any html, etc. not only "real" attachments.
Opera mail is very different, using virtual folders (filters or views) with all mail in one "received" folder. Well, now that I understand it I really like it. Opera, browser and mail, really takes days, at least, to understand and choose from the hundreds of setup options, but then it's the best even if proprietary.
All my email was from Eudora windows. The best way I found was to import it to Thunderbird 2 windows mbox files and from there to M2 and Sylpheed in Linux cross platform.
Eudora integrates inline GPG. Neither Sylpheed nor Opera does. But I found it's easy to decrypt CLI, and you have no more than one plain text credit card in the computer at a time.
www.henrystrobel.com/linux.htm See new screenshot at bottom.
Henry
One exception. however, remains. Sometimes (infrequently, sorry I can't specify further) when I start Nop the lower left menu does not appear and full amplitude vertical lines keep scrolling through the CPU graph. Restarting (from the upper panel) usually clears this.
About email. This has nothing to do with Nop, but I'll put it here anyway. I extensively tested and used both Sylpheed and the built-in Opera M2 email 9.25 with my huge real world Pop3 email files.
Sylpheed is very likeable, simple and elegant. Very small and fast, conventional folders. But attachment handling is odd/confusing - it shows the paperclip icon for any html, etc. not only "real" attachments.
Opera mail is very different, using virtual folders (filters or views) with all mail in one "received" folder. Well, now that I understand it I really like it. Opera, browser and mail, really takes days, at least, to understand and choose from the hundreds of setup options, but then it's the best even if proprietary.
All my email was from Eudora windows. The best way I found was to import it to Thunderbird 2 windows mbox files and from there to M2 and Sylpheed in Linux cross platform.
Eudora integrates inline GPG. Neither Sylpheed nor Opera does. But I found it's easy to decrypt CLI, and you have no more than one plain text credit card in the computer at a time.
www.henrystrobel.com/linux.htm See new screenshot at bottom.
Henry
If I've understood what you're talking about, then I think both these things are both Puppy issues, not specific to NOP. There are various threads in the forum about them.kattami wrote:On the other side I too have the glitch that I get less and less memory. Something else I discovered was that when I uninstalled programs with pet package manager or gslapt, then the program files was still in my .2fs file.
Re really getting rid of programs, investigate pet-be-gone.
here is pup-be-gone
http://puppylinux.ca/members/pupbegone/
I don't know of pet-be-gone..any help with this so I can post it?
Eric
http://puppylinux.ca/members/pupbegone/
I don't know of pet-be-gone..any help with this so I can post it?
Eric
[color=darkred][i]Be not afraid to grow slowly, only be afraid of standing still.[/i]
Chinese Proverb[/color]
Chinese Proverb[/color]
Yeah, it is here:Caneri wrote:here is pup-be-gone
http://puppylinux.ca/members/pupbegone/
I don't know of pet-be-gone..any help with this so I can post it?
Eric
http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic. ... 87&t=17035
Well, I am somewhat confused on this because from what Pizzasgood says there, it is only possible to use PetBeGone in a full installation except if remastering after removing programs one want to remove.
But I dont think I have much to remove from Grays NOP-version anyway, so wouldnt it be just as good if I started from scratch again and just added the programs and eventual addons for Xfwm4 and Opera I absolutely want to have and then remaster?
Oh...now I understand why I didnt get some of the themes removed on the list in window manager in the Settings Manager. Because of the above issue. Which means I probably have to look at this since I would like to remove some of the themes. But PetBeGone cant remove themes? It would only be something like Edit-sfs that could remove themes, or am I wrong?
Hi Gray,
first, I agree with anybody: Puppy NOP with Xfce is absolutly great,
thank you for the good work!!
But: today I had to rearrange my partitions, so I put my Puppy CD
(rev 4) to do it with Gparted.
Shock- Gparted is not here, but some other tool I never saw bevore.
With your rev 1 happy, I can find the proven Gparted again
What was your reason to replace the excellent Gparted, which I
think many people are used to work with, by an unknown one??
Would it be possible you come back to this point??
Puppy is an excellent and comfortable tool for system maintnance
first, I agree with anybody: Puppy NOP with Xfce is absolutly great,
thank you for the good work!!
But: today I had to rearrange my partitions, so I put my Puppy CD
(rev 4) to do it with Gparted.
Shock- Gparted is not here, but some other tool I never saw bevore.
With your rev 1 happy, I can find the proven Gparted again
What was your reason to replace the excellent Gparted, which I
think many people are used to work with, by an unknown one??
Would it be possible you come back to this point??
Puppy is an excellent and comfortable tool for system maintnance
Gparted
Richard,
It seems replacing Gparted with QTparted has caused some angst among the NOPites . The reason for doing so was to save space, as we already have the QT libraries (needed by Opera). Gparted adds another 1Mb to the iso and QTparted seemed to work OK for me.
I will go back to Gparted and include the latest Pburn for an r5 version though.
Kattami, you need to remove the themes by hand and then remaster - nothing is truly gone until you have remastered. It wont save much space though as the theme files are quite small.
It seems replacing Gparted with QTparted has caused some angst among the NOPites . The reason for doing so was to save space, as we already have the QT libraries (needed by Opera). Gparted adds another 1Mb to the iso and QTparted seemed to work OK for me.
I will go back to Gparted and include the latest Pburn for an r5 version though.
Kattami, you need to remove the themes by hand and then remaster - nothing is truly gone until you have remastered. It wont save much space though as the theme files are quite small.
Gray,
I understand, 1Mb is painfull, but I can really confirm: Gparted, current
version is a very reliable tool to tweak partitions!
As I read about r5 version, an other question: I started with Puppy 2.17,
and was very impressed: anything worked easy, play DVD included.
But since then: no reliable DVD player anymore.
Also with your NOP: I was not really able to use Xine and watch a DVD!
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewto ... 81&t=25211
excerpt from ttuuxxx
Yes You Can, Man I really hate Gxine, The best way to fix it is to replace it!!!!!
Perhaps he is right, but anyway, it would be nice to come back to 2.17
status with a nice and easy working DVD player.
I understand, 1Mb is painfull, but I can really confirm: Gparted, current
version is a very reliable tool to tweak partitions!
As I read about r5 version, an other question: I started with Puppy 2.17,
and was very impressed: anything worked easy, play DVD included.
But since then: no reliable DVD player anymore.
Also with your NOP: I was not really able to use Xine and watch a DVD!
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewto ... 81&t=25211
excerpt from ttuuxxx
Yes You Can, Man I really hate Gxine, The best way to fix it is to replace it!!!!!
Perhaps he is right, but anyway, it would be nice to come back to 2.17
status with a nice and easy working DVD player.
Keyboard shortcuts in Nop
I habitually use keyboard shortcuts ("hot keys"), and it's very easy to set these up in Xfce settings/keyboard for executables, but I would like to use them e.g. for files, as to open file.txt in mousepad.
One can easily send a text file to the desktop. But can one activate such items with a hot key? This may be just a basic Linux syntax question, no surprise there, but thanks anyway ;-)
One can easily send a text file to the desktop. But can one activate such items with a hot key? This may be just a basic Linux syntax question, no surprise there, but thanks anyway ;-)
NOP 301r5
I have uploaded NOP 301 r5 to http://www.puppylinux.ca/NOP
r5 goes back to using Gparted as promised. QT libraries have been removed and so opera is now the static build. Updated pburn to 0.9.3 and added Hardinfo utility and also xdelta3.
richhard: I am suprised xine does not play DVD for you. It works really well for me - even full screen. Did you use the CD/DVD drive wizard so that the DVD:/ link is activated for xine ?
jcoder24: You can right click on an sfs file and select open with filemount to open up an sfs file (also close it the same way).
Henry: Just set the hotkey to use the command eg mousepad myfile.txt to open that particular file.
r5 goes back to using Gparted as promised. QT libraries have been removed and so opera is now the static build. Updated pburn to 0.9.3 and added Hardinfo utility and also xdelta3.
richhard: I am suprised xine does not play DVD for you. It works really well for me - even full screen. Did you use the CD/DVD drive wizard so that the DVD:/ link is activated for xine ?
jcoder24: You can right click on an sfs file and select open with filemount to open up an sfs file (also close it the same way).
Henry: Just set the hotkey to use the command eg mousepad myfile.txt to open that particular file.
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Great Job!
Just tested NOP-3.01r5 on two machines. This one's a keeper!