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chillout matettuuxxx wrote:I will not spend hundreds of hours for some so called Coop to give me my walking papers without reason!!!
Hi Will,HairyWill wrote: @Caneri: I may have misunderstood. I thought you had .ca on a host plus the offer of a box with admin rights separately. Maybe you are planning to move .ca onto this. I do not think an iso/svn repository should be on the same box as a general software repository.
Does anyone know what the performance implications of calling svn update on a 1GB largely binary repository would be?
My only comment? I was wondering when someone was going to notice this. Good job Will."Should Barry get eaten by a croc tomorrow, nobody has the right to release an official version. This is an ideal time to convert puppy to a shared development model but he seems to be avoiding the opportunity."
HairyWill wrote:chillout mate
You are not going to be releasing an official puppy without his say so and there is nothing stopping him from pulling the plug after you have done the work.
ttuuxxx: Originally when I started off trying to organise things, Nobody else was trying to take his place for everything other than a University. Which made me jump into something I wasn't prepared for,but was the only one with enough guts to do it!
I was willing at all cost to keep the puppy project alive, unlike any of you.
No offense there, Jeff, but that seems to translate to "If it has nothing to do with ttuuxxx, then scrap it."ttuuxxx: Well if a Coop has absolutely no role in the actual development eg. building, releases, people involved with the actual distro, And sticks to basic administrator task. Then Fine I'll be happy with it, if not. Scrap it!
Hi raffy I was talking about 2-3 months back when we officially found out about Barry's retirement and the other Threads were made about it and at the time we only had one option which was that crazy University idea, Which made me somewhat sick to think that puppy could be moved over to that sort of venue, So I jumped in and asked to take over, just to stop that sort of transfer dead in its tracks, Then we let all the ttuuxxx bashing began for a noble cause. Anyways that was then, its all behind me now, I'm happy and excited to see that 4.2 &5.0 are moving now and that we managed to come out with our heads up high.raffy wrote:ttuuxxx: Originally when I started off trying to organise things, Nobody else was trying to take his place for everything other than a University. Which made me jump into something I wasn't prepared for,but was the only one with enough guts to do it!
I was willing at all cost to keep the puppy project alive, unlike any of you.No offense there, Jeff, but that seems to translate to "If it has nothing to do with ttuuxxx, then scrap it."ttuuxxx: Well if a Coop has absolutely no role in the actual development eg. building, releases, people involved with the actual distro, And sticks to basic administrator task. Then Fine I'll be happy with it, if not. Scrap it!
I've been your admirer for a long time, but please do not get/create the impression that the community's only choices are (1) you and (2) nothing else.
I guess you owe the community an apology for that statement of yours (the last line in the first quote).
We laugh, too, ttuuxxx ... but for different reasons than you do.ttuuxxx wrote:P.s sometimes when I read what I actually type, I laugh really hard![]()
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Always count on you to find an opportunity to have a dig at someone. Your like a snake hiding in the bushes, just waiting to strike given the opportunity.alienjeff wrote:We laugh, too, ttuuxxx ... but for different reasons than you do.ttuuxxx wrote:P.s sometimes when I read what I actually type, I laugh really hard![]()
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Well the last thing I am is evil, nobody really has joined 5..0 yet,But its still really early. so I'm starting off by myself. So really I have nobody to answer to other than the people who respond to this thread http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewto ... 77#240977. If you want to join I would be more than happy, to discuss issues with you. But really if I have to ask for every little thing I do and how I do it, its a bit drawn-out. Actually more than a bit. I'm just discussing idea's with a few developers and then I report my findings, and as for Barry handing it over to someone else, Well I have my own ibiblio account http://distro.ibiblio.org/pub/linux/dis ... s/ttuuxxx/ and since I don't have keys to Barry's account, I'll use mine, now that would be hard to take away and give to somebody else.Pizzasgood wrote:Just to clarify what I think HairyWill's point was: Barry gave you permission, for now. Doesn't mean it has to stay that way. If for some reason he decided to give the reigns to somebody else, there is little you could do but wail and gnash your teeth.
Now, please get this next point through your head: The whole idea here is that no single person is in charge, and nobody is "assigned" or "unassigned" to a task.
No, you wouldn't get to make all the decisions. But unless I misunderstand you, you don't want to make them all anyways. You want to run it all by the community first. This would be the same thing. (And yes, IMHO the coop would be a way for decisions affecting Puppy, but mainly the large decisions. Smaller stuff could be handled informally, as I described earlier.)
With no single person in charge, we don't have to worry if they turn evil, or get eaten, etc, and we don't have to worry about taking Puppy away from them.
Everybody can work on it (as long as they meet good enough standards - don't want Puppy getting sloppy). And they can work on it for as long as they want.
The community itself will have a say over things. But that is as it should be!
Puppy is Barry's brainchild. Key-word: child. I don't have a kid of my own, but I do have two cats. Even if I promised somebody in advance that I was going to give them Ms. Kitty, when it came time to do it, I would be very slow and reluctant, and stressed and pained.Should Barry get eaten by a croc tomorrow, nobody has the right to release an official version. This is an ideal time to convert puppy to a shared development model but he seems to be avoiding the opportunity.
My model doesn't involve asking for every little thing. Big things would need it, but not little things. Little things would only need asking if somebody takes issue with them. In general, they will not.But really if I have to ask for every little thing I do and how I do it, its a bit drawn-out.
Nobody can take away the tools to build a custom Puppy. That is the whole point of open source. However, if Barry maintains ownership of the name, he can take away the privilege of calling your creation "Puppy", and then sue you if you continue using it.and as for Barry handing it over to someone else, Well I have my own ibiblio account http://distro.ibiblio.org/pub/linux/dis ... s/ttuuxxx/ and since I don't have keys to Barry's account, I'll use mine, now that would be hard to take away and give to somebody else.
An example of sloppy:Pizzasgood wrote:Everybody can work on it (as long as they meet good enough standards - don't want Puppy getting sloppy).
Reference: I dare you!I had reported this fixed after 4.1beta, however neglected to verify that it was actually fixed.
Hey I would support a coop ifPizzasgood wrote:Puppy is Barry's brainchild. Key-word: child. I don't have a kid of my own, but I do have two cats. Even if I promised somebody in advance that I was going to give them Ms. Kitty, when it came time to do it, I would be very slow and reluctant, and stressed and pained.Should Barry get eaten by a croc tomorrow, nobody has the right to release an official version. This is an ideal time to convert puppy to a shared development model but he seems to be avoiding the opportunity.
Give him time.
My model doesn't involve asking for every little thing. Big things would need it, but not little things. Little things would only need asking if somebody takes issue with them. In general, they will not.But really if I have to ask for every little thing I do and how I do it, its a bit drawn-out.
Nobody can take away the tools to build a custom Puppy. That is the whole point of open source. However, if Barry maintains ownership of the name, he can take away the privilege of calling your creation "Puppy", and then sue you if you continue using it.and as for Barry handing it over to someone else, Well I have my own ibiblio account http://distro.ibiblio.org/pub/linux/dis ... s/ttuuxxx/ and since I don't have keys to Barry's account, I'll use mine, now that would be hard to take away and give to somebody else.
If you really don't care about the official Puppy name, then you have nothing to worry about, neither from Barry nor the coop and other ideas. In the hypothetical situation where you were kicked out, just change the name and roll on.
Assuming everybody else followed you.
Similarly, even if you had the official name, nobody would have to bother with you. We could all decide to just go elsewhere and produce our own Doggy Linux. You'd be left with the name, but little else.
This obviously applies as much to the Coop idea as it does to your more dictatorship-esq method. Thus why we're discussing, so that we can find a solution that is least likely to suffer from people dropping it and going elsewhere.
Meanwhile, it is good that people are continuing Puppy development regardless. This community structure thing is important, but it isn't an immediate thing. It can be implemented over time.
But to have this become a long term, and community driven project, it is a necessary eventuality.
For now I'll just focus on 4.2 & 5.0 like today I compiled a small version of gimp based on 2.0.5 it was 3.9 MB pet but I'm going to try to compile it even smaller and remove the filters, Really When I use gimp, I only need the basic application tools and layers, I don't need special effects etc, I can do it better from scratch. So i'm going to try to get it down to 3mb or less pet.raffy wrote:Ttuuxxx, you cant be worried too much with getting a secure place in the future organization, because (1) you can do independent development work (you've mentioned having an ibiblio account for this); (2) you can start an organization in your state/country for supporting Puppy Linux (and later, several organizations can enter into agreements to form a bigger organization).
For example, you've already hit a nerve among users with FirePup. If you build a "fat-free" puplet with FirePup and all its useful extensions, plus possibly the Puppy desktop, you'll have a very useful puplet to support.
Well put Pizzasgood.Pizzasgood wrote:Puppy is Barry's brainchild. Key-word: child. I don't have a kid of my own, but I do have two cats. Even if I promised somebody in advance that I was going to give them Ms. Kitty, when it came time to do it, I would be very slow and reluctant, and stressed and pained.
Give him time.