Here We Go To Hell Again! Thanks for the laugh, trio. I don't know how I'd get through the day without one of you guys tickling my ribs every now and then ...trio wrote:Are we sticking to the title "bugs & fixes" or here we go to hell again? Proclaim your rights Dictator!
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Yes 99.3MB isn't much at all compared to other Linux distros 700MB++++++, But we have to also focus on people who have older pc's and puppy 4.12 just works and is on a borderline of not working, for those people they do not have a chance of getting 4.2 to boot up and work out of the box, we are talking, developing countries, retro pc users etc. Like I said before, I like Pwidgets a lot, but not enough to turn away past users at the expense of system resources. Things that run by default should be system related, not bling related for distros like puppy. Not where people try so hard to get it working and have to be forced to use earlier models, I've seen it in the past and I know I will see lots once this final release is posted.
So Whodo once your done this release I hope you might stick around and answer to all the outcry, It won't be from myself. But I'm damn sure that 75% will not like the added resources taken away from them. But on the other hand, I'll be quickly working in the background preparing some sort of normal puppy alternative. I'll go that far to help out.
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So Whodo once your done this release I hope you might stick around and answer to all the outcry, It won't be from myself. But I'm damn sure that 75% will not like the added resources taken away from them. But on the other hand, I'll be quickly working in the background preparing some sort of normal puppy alternative. I'll go that far to help out.
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That sounds to me like some unnamed developer strong armed you once again about walking from puppy and you caved, How sad, how very sad.WhoDo wrote:
Why? Lack of ego, I guess. Someone said they looked like Toys 'R Us and since I loathe the box culture's propensity to turn perfectly good words into their phonetic letter equivalent (are = R?) I just HAD to take them out. They'll be back either in an EZpup addition or simply as a theme to be added later, along with 1 or 2 others (look for l'Bleu as well as l'Orange).
We have 3 icon themes to choose from in RC4. That should cover the gamut of tastes for the moment.
ttuuxxx
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http://html5games.com/ <-- excellent HTML5 games :)
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http://html5games.com/ <-- excellent HTML5 games :)
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Now, this may be off topic marginally, but you followed the thread and helped me out...
You know the thread about my 486...
Xonclock and xli run on that thing... and run well. I'm tempted to install the latest Pwidgets with an extremely hacked conky by Patriot..... heaps smaller... on it to see if it will go. Yeah gotta update JWM and wallpaper setter but I think I can do it... with 32MiB ram... you know
Now, this may be off topic marginally, but you followed the thread and helped me out...
You know the thread about my 486...
Xonclock and xli run on that thing... and run well. I'm tempted to install the latest Pwidgets with an extremely hacked conky by Patriot..... heaps smaller... on it to see if it will go. Yeah gotta update JWM and wallpaper setter but I think I can do it... with 32MiB ram... you know
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To come back to what this is about:
Found no bugs so far BUT it seems that ldconfig is missing again.
cheers
aragon
Found no bugs so far BUT it seems that ldconfig is missing again.
cheers
aragon
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Geez, Jeff, you're on a roll now! Wrong twice in one night in the same thread? Wanna try for 3rd time lucky???ttuuxxx wrote:That sounds to me like some unnamed developer strong armed you once again about walking from puppy and you caved, How sad, how very sad.
I've told you before but it seems you didn't believe me; no-one can force me to do what I don't want to do. I'm too old to take that crap! I happen to LIKE the flat orange menu icons. I think the desktop icons from the same pack are a bit wishy-washy, but they're a complete package and that's only my opinion. I don't have the time or the inclination to split them apart to make a third package that maybe only I will like.
Now, can we PLEASE get back to dealing with Bugs & Fixes? Or can I assume from the lack of such issues being posted that I'll be able to upload Final tomorrow afternoon?
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Missing from where, aragon? It clearly isn't there, but where do I go looking for it?aragon wrote:To come back to what this is about:
Found no bugs so far BUT it seems that ldconfig is missing again.
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Tested all three icon themes available, DeepThought, Stardust, JQ8.. all seem nicely interchangeable.
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Hey mick
Its not pwidgets your running, and plus your clock doesn't have any transparencies around it, your memory isn't registered in the image, your not running anything, plus your using a fatfree version of puppy around 60MB not 99.3MB Some people actually go by the min requirements of puppy which I posted earlier like 64MB ram drive,stated at Distrowatch, which is impossible for this release, You try to boot up puppy 4.2 rc4 on your great older PC and then give us a screenshot No offense
ttuuxxx.
Its not pwidgets your running, and plus your clock doesn't have any transparencies around it, your memory isn't registered in the image, your not running anything, plus your using a fatfree version of puppy around 60MB not 99.3MB Some people actually go by the min requirements of puppy which I posted earlier like 64MB ram drive,stated at Distrowatch, which is impossible for this release, You try to boot up puppy 4.2 rc4 on your great older PC and then give us a screenshot No offense
ttuuxxx.
http://audio.online-convert.com/ <-- excellent site
http://samples.mplayerhq.hu/A-codecs/ <-- Codec Test Files
http://html5games.com/ <-- excellent HTML5 games :)
http://samples.mplayerhq.hu/A-codecs/ <-- Codec Test Files
http://html5games.com/ <-- excellent HTML5 games :)
Pwidgets-2.0.5 in Puppy-4.2rc4 is only 219kb compressed - including conky, xonclock and all the other dependencies to make it work. It runs like greased lightning and seems to me to consume precious few resources. I even remember that the sub-50Mb DSL used to come with Conky pre-configured by default on the desktop and that ran just fine on the oldest of hardware.ttuuxxx wrote:You try to boot up puppy 4.2 rc4 on your great older PC and then give us a screenshot No offense
So tell me, ttuuxxx, what is your REAL objection to the Pwidgets bling? Of course I'd prefer that you don't tell me in THIS thread, which is supposed to be for Bugs & Fixes in RC4. Maybe you could explain in the thread you started on Bling or No Bling? Either way, please DON'T HIJACK MY THREAD YET AGAIN for an anti-Pwidgets war!!!!
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Sounds to me like a cover-up WhoDo, Listen we've all seen your taste with your EzPup releases and plus your IceWm Theme exchange, not once or ever have you ever expressed a liking for 'FLAT' anything, You can try to pass this off like 'You Like It" but at the end of the day "Flat Orange" is ugly, flat, doesn't match the multicoloured desktop icons that are some what the 'crystal variety'.WhoDo wrote: I happen to LIKE the flat orange menu icons. I think the desktop icons from the same pack are a bit wishy-washy, but they're a complete package and that's only my opinion. I don't have the time or the inclination to split them apart to make a third package that maybe only I will like.
Basically 'Flat Orange' was designed by a head strong developer, Who has done great in the past with his excellent puppy applications and for that he creates a elderly theme, and because of his accomplishments we must take it on as our own, I think not!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
well can't wait until the final, or straw that may be.
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http://html5games.com/ <-- excellent HTML5 games :)
http://samples.mplayerhq.hu/A-codecs/ <-- Codec Test Files
http://html5games.com/ <-- excellent HTML5 games :)
Really? Then you've already forgotten my reply to Zigbert in the RC3 thread? Some people have short fuses and even shorter memory! That makes you wrong three times in one night in the same thread, and I'm not laughing!ttuuxxx wrote:Sounds to me like a cover-up WhoDo, Listen we've all seen your taste with your EzPup releases and plus your IceWm Theme exchange, not once or ever have you ever expressed a liking for 'FLAT' anything,
Why wait? I think this response is the final ... straw that is! You have just accused me of lying ... not in so many words but pretty darn close - "pass this off" indeed? "cover up" you say? Well thank you for your "contribution" to Puppy, ttuuxxx. It seems to me that there is only one "head strong developer" in the mix here, and it isn't the one you mean!ttuuxxx wrote:You can try to pass this off like 'You Like It" but at the end of the day "Flat Orange" is ugly, flat, doesn't match the multicoloured desktop icons that are some what the 'crystal variety'.
Basically 'Flat Orange' was designed by a head strong developer, Who has done great in the past with his excellent puppy applications and for that he creates a elderly theme, and because of his accomplishments we must take it on as our own, I think not!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
well can't wait until the final, or straw that may be.
Final will go up tomorrow night. Then I will post a version of Final with the Retro kernel. After that, who knows? I'm really, really tired of this crap! No wonder Barry wanted to back away. The fact he handled it for so long makes the man a Titan in my view!
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Yes I know, but the point is that Pwidgets is getting smaller and more efficient, and they are components of Pwidgets.ttuuxxx wrote:Hey mick
Its not pwidgets your running, and plus your clock doesn't have any transparencies around it, your memory isn't registered in the image, your not running anything, plus your using a fatfree version of puppy around 60MB not 99.3MB Some people actually go by the min requirements of puppy which I posted earlier like 64MB ram drive,stated at Distrowatch, which is impossible for this release, You try to boot up puppy 4.2 rc4 on your great older PC and then give us a screenshot No offense
ttuuxxx.
I know you have a little bee in your bonnet about Pwidgets being included by default BUT Icewm (and I really didn't want to draw that card) is too,
Pwidgets can be turned off easily.
Pwidgets should not inhibit Puppy4.2DeepThought running on a P1 with 64MiB ram (so long as there is swap, and recommendations are for Puppy to run in 128MiB ram)
Now this might make you angry but before you get angry think of the bigger picture.
Now, the bigger picture is WhoDo's point of view. If he says it's in, it's in. If he says it's out, it's out.
Sex sells. Pwidgets is sexy, just like Icewm is sexy. If we can attract more users because we have Pwidgets and Icewm in there then so be it.
Just try to see the sell side of things, BUT do not see it as a sell out! Please!
Cheers
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Last week when I added up all 4 packages it was 503kb compressed pet,(conky included) when I posted it on the other thread next to my name. And thats following the conky links and libs links from the site.WhoDo wrote:Pwidgets-2.0.5 in Puppy-4.2rc4 is only 219kb compressed - including conky, xonclockttuuxxx wrote:You try to boot up puppy 4.2 rc4 on your great older PC and then give us a screenshot No offense
Either this week they manage to reduce it by 60% or one of our maths is off.
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http://html5games.com/ <-- excellent HTML5 games :)
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All I have to say about that mick, is nooooooooooooooooo, LOL Hey since we climbed to #9 on Distrowatch, really our forum has gone to hell, now on top of that you want to convert more people to puppy, I was thinking myself about leaving it due to the forum issues. I personally devote too much time to wait hours to post a link to new software, its just way too frustrating for a person with adsl2+, to pay extra to have a super speed internet, not to spend hours trying to respond. To me its more like keeping the people we have now, who were happy puppy 4 series to continue loving it, The last poll results at Bling or no Bling is still 75% against with 62 votes, Puppy users want simplicity for there older pc's. And the icewm card doesn't work, did your read the thread on JWM vs IceWm, its really nothing between them.01micko wrote:If we can attract more users because we have Pwidgets and Icewm in there then so be it.
Just try to see the sell side of things, BUT do not see it as a sell out! Please!
Cheers
The Icewm in puppy right now is the slimmest version I've ever seen.
ttuuxxx
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http://samples.mplayerhq.hu/A-codecs/ <-- Codec Test Files
http://html5games.com/ <-- excellent HTML5 games :)
http://samples.mplayerhq.hu/A-codecs/ <-- Codec Test Files
http://html5games.com/ <-- excellent HTML5 games :)
I'm not in the habit of lying and there is no mathematics involved. Right click on the compressed .pet file and ROX says how big it is. That's right, there is only ONE pet file now; not four.ttuuxxx wrote:Last week when I added up all 4 packages it was 503kb compressed pet,(conky included) when I posted it on the other thread next to my name. And thats following the conky links and libs links from the site.WhoDo wrote:Pwidgets-2.0.5 in Puppy-4.2rc4 is only 219kb compressed - including conky, xonclockttuuxxx wrote:You try to boot up puppy 4.2 rc4 on your great older PC and then give us a screenshot No offense
Either this week they manage to reduce it by 60% or one of our maths is off.
I used to have a dog once that just didn't understand anything unless you smacked him in the chops first. Pity because he was a beautiful dog. Don't make me slap YOU in the chops, ttuuxxx. I've already said ENOUGH is ENOUGH!!!
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Shit you made me laugh big time at that one, LOL, Naaa I don't think if we ever meet up, you'll smack me, probably have a few brews and shot the shit a bitWhoDo wrote: he was a beautiful dog. Don't make me slap YOU in the chops, ttuuxxx. I've already said ENOUGH is ENOUGH!!!
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http://html5games.com/ <-- excellent HTML5 games :)
http://samples.mplayerhq.hu/A-codecs/ <-- Codec Test Files
http://html5games.com/ <-- excellent HTML5 games :)
seamonkey update
a seamonkey update just now to 1.1.15
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Re: seamonkey update
That will be added to the no-bling versionplaydayz wrote:a seamonkey update just now to 1.1.15
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http://samples.mplayerhq.hu/A-codecs/ <-- Codec Test Files
http://html5games.com/ <-- excellent HTML5 games :)
whodo I just add a freememapplet swallow in /root/.jwmrctray
<JWM>
<Tray autohide="false" insert="right" x="0" y="-1" border="1" height="28" >
<!-- Additional TrayButton attribute: label -->
<TrayButton icon="/usr/local/lib/X11/pixmaps/start-button.png">root:3</TrayButton>
<TrayButton popup="Show Desktop" icon="mini-desktop.xpm">showdesktop</TrayButton>
<!-- Additional Pager attributes; width, height -->
<Pager/>
<!-- Additional TaskList attribute: maxwidth -->
<TaskList/>
<Dock/>
<!-- Additional Swallow attribute: height -->
<Swallow name="blinky">
blinkydelayed -bg "#F7CEB5"
</Swallow>
<Swallow name="freememapplet">
freememapplet
</Swallow>
<Swallow name="asapm">
asapmshell -u 4 -status PaleGreen3 -green PaleGreen3
</Swallow>
<Clock format="%H:%M ">minixcal</Clock>
</Tray>
</JWM>
and it works just fine..don't use freememappletdelayed, it won't show!
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<JWM>
<Tray autohide="false" insert="right" x="0" y="-1" border="1" height="28" >
<!-- Additional TrayButton attribute: label -->
<TrayButton icon="/usr/local/lib/X11/pixmaps/start-button.png">root:3</TrayButton>
<TrayButton popup="Show Desktop" icon="mini-desktop.xpm">showdesktop</TrayButton>
<!-- Additional Pager attributes; width, height -->
<Pager/>
<!-- Additional TaskList attribute: maxwidth -->
<TaskList/>
<Dock/>
<!-- Additional Swallow attribute: height -->
<Swallow name="blinky">
blinkydelayed -bg "#F7CEB5"
</Swallow>
<Swallow name="freememapplet">
freememapplet
</Swallow>
<Swallow name="asapm">
asapmshell -u 4 -status PaleGreen3 -green PaleGreen3
</Swallow>
<Clock format="%H:%M ">minixcal</Clock>
</Tray>
</JWM>
and it works just fine..don't use freememappletdelayed, it won't show!
Cheers