Puppy 4.12 won't boot
Puppy 4.12 won't boot
Hi. I followed all the steps from icpug.org.uk. When I was trying to boot into Linux, I got in DOS an error message:
kernel (hd0,0)/puppy412/vmlinuz PMEDIA=idehd PDEV1=sda1 psubdir=puppy412
Error code: file could not be found
How do I solve this problem so I can boot into Linux?
Thanks for your kind help.
kernel (hd0,0)/puppy412/vmlinuz PMEDIA=idehd PDEV1=sda1 psubdir=puppy412
Error code: file could not be found
How do I solve this problem so I can boot into Linux?
Thanks for your kind help.
Booting Puppy
If you're booting Puppy from the live cd you should never have gotten to dos. The kernel should boot first, if the BIOS is set up for that.
If (as I suspect) you are booting from a frugal install, did you set up Grub, as the installation directs? Some expert help will be along shortly, but for now I'd check the BIOS and start up the live cd to see what happens.
If (as I suspect) you are booting from a frugal install, did you set up Grub, as the installation directs? Some expert help will be along shortly, but for now I'd check the BIOS and start up the live cd to see what happens.
What you have is not DOS, it is the "linux shell", which is black background with white writing...it looks very similar
kernel (hd0,0)/puppy412/vmlinuz PMEDIA=idehd PDEV1=sda1 psubdir=puppy412
The grub configuration in puppy has had a bug in it for some time, whereby the menu.lst is not autoconfigured to point to the correct locations (i.e. "just works!"), and is missing a line to make it function correctly. Sorry for your inconvenience.
A workround for the moment would be to download the file I use from here
1. delete the buggy /boot menu that is on your hard disk "sda1" or similar
2. Download this file, then copy it to your disk (/mnt/sda1 or /mnt/home)
http://ecomoney.eu/ecopup/files/0.7.3.2/boot.zip
3. Click on it, and extract it to the default location (/mnt/sda1 or /mnt/home depending on if you have a pup_save or not), the default will work.
4. The file is for another version of puppy that I use. To make it work with puppy, you need to delete two files in the newly extracted /boot/ecopup foleder called "initrd" and "vmlinuz.gz". Copy the two files with the same name from your cd and put them in place of the ones you just deleted (in /boot/ecopup)
5, make sure you copy the file "pup_412.sfs" to the hard disk too. You can put it in the "/boot" directory if you like to keep things neat, but anywhere on the hard disk will do.
Your computer should not boot!
Let us know how you get on.
kernel (hd0,0)/puppy412/vmlinuz PMEDIA=idehd PDEV1=sda1 psubdir=puppy412
The grub configuration in puppy has had a bug in it for some time, whereby the menu.lst is not autoconfigured to point to the correct locations (i.e. "just works!"), and is missing a line to make it function correctly. Sorry for your inconvenience.
A workround for the moment would be to download the file I use from here
1. delete the buggy /boot menu that is on your hard disk "sda1" or similar
2. Download this file, then copy it to your disk (/mnt/sda1 or /mnt/home)
http://ecomoney.eu/ecopup/files/0.7.3.2/boot.zip
3. Click on it, and extract it to the default location (/mnt/sda1 or /mnt/home depending on if you have a pup_save or not), the default will work.
4. The file is for another version of puppy that I use. To make it work with puppy, you need to delete two files in the newly extracted /boot/ecopup foleder called "initrd" and "vmlinuz.gz". Copy the two files with the same name from your cd and put them in place of the ones you just deleted (in /boot/ecopup)
5, make sure you copy the file "pup_412.sfs" to the hard disk too. You can put it in the "/boot" directory if you like to keep things neat, but anywhere on the hard disk will do.
Your computer should not boot!
Let us know how you get on.
Puppy Linux's [url=http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?p=296352#296352]Mission[/url]
Sorry, my server is down atm!
Sorry, my server is down atm!
icpug has recently updated this procedure, so have another read,
but you could pm him, if you still need help
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/privms ... post&u=410
Aitch
but you could pm him, if you still need help
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/privms ... post&u=410
Aitch
ecomoney wrote: The grub configuration in puppy has had a bug in it
for some time, whereby the menu.lst is not
autoconfigured to point to the correct locations (i.e.
"just works!"), and is missing a line to make it
function correctly. Sorry for your inconvenience.
I don't think there is a bug and here's why:
A bug by my definition; is when a program or routine
behaves other than how the programmer intended it
to behave.
I think my definition would fairly correspond with
commonly acceptable definitions of what a
programming bug is. ? ?
Can you show me where the programming routine
intended to fill out the lines (you are thinking of) in
menu.lst? Or point me in the right direction?
Failing to do the above, I argue we are dealing with a
'feature not included' and not a bug at all.
Ok BruceB! Shields up....here we go!
@ drjdahman....dont be alarmed - this is how things get done around here
I was referring to the lines in the standard menu.lst that are created by grubconfig. It requires manual text file editing to enable it to correctly boot. I believe they are stored in that program somewhere...however this is not the main point I wish to make.
Heres what happens if you type "Puppy Linux" into google...google has a nifty little "autocomplete" feature that links to pages that contains terms which include the terms previous to it. Heres a screenshot...
Ok...would there really be that many entries in google (most of them tortuous walkthroughs) if Puppy Linux was actually "easy to install by Linux newbies with no hassles"?
I did have a whole bunch of screenshots of the Puppy Universal Installer and the Grub Config Manager....a gauntlet of linux-specific terminology, laced with double lockouts, linux-guru knowledge assumptions, config file editing, un-demountable drives, dead ends, etc etc, but I must go out now and simply dont have time to prepare them all. Mapping it all out, with the usability issues highlighted would take me a day at least, if not longer.
The fact is, Puppy Linux isnt "easy to install by Linux newbies with no hassles". If you doubt that, sit down with a "linux newbie" and watch them try. I had had 20 years of computing experience with windows, (15 of it at a professional level) when I first tried to install puppy linux (1.09ce) to a hard drive of a computer, and it took me a week of hard mental graft to figure it out the first time. The installer hasnt changed since then.
Compare puppies installation method with the Ubuntu one.
Conclusion
Its a bug because the installer doesnt work how the programmer intended...
"EASILY"!
Ok....so what to do about it?
The installer needs a complete re-work from the ground up, focused not on grubs, MBR's, partitions and menu.lst's, but on how the user wants his computer to behave, according to the level that they (the "linux newbie") understands it. This would propel Puppy Linux further away from being a useful utility disk/linux demo towards a fully fledged linux distribution more useful to its (very large) target audience.
I am happy to work designing the user interface/background processes of this project, but I would be unable to complete it on my own as I do not possess anything but the most basic level of Bash/GTK coding skills.
This will bring far more people away from Windows and into using free software than any kernel update
Who's up for it?
Woof Woof!
@ drjdahman....dont be alarmed - this is how things get done around here
I was referring to the lines in the standard menu.lst that are created by grubconfig. It requires manual text file editing to enable it to correctly boot. I believe they are stored in that program somewhere...however this is not the main point I wish to make.
The intentions of the "programmer" (in this case Barry Kauler) were made plain when he wrote the Mission Statement (in full here). Point 1 (the first one) reads....Bruce B wrote:A bug by my definition; is when a program or routine
behaves other than how the programmer intended it
to behave.
OK..."easily" is a subjective term......who should it be easy for? Point 5 of the Mission statement readsBarryK wrote:Puppy will easily install to USB, Zip or hard drive media.
and point 8 statesBarryK wrote:Puppy will be extremely friendly for Linux newbies
Ok...According to the programmers intentions, the "Program" (Puppy Linux) should be able to be installed onto a hard drive easily by someone with no experience of Linux, without any hassles. Is this the case?BarryK wrote:Puppy will just work, no hassles
Heres what happens if you type "Puppy Linux" into google...google has a nifty little "autocomplete" feature that links to pages that contains terms which include the terms previous to it. Heres a screenshot...
Ok...would there really be that many entries in google (most of them tortuous walkthroughs) if Puppy Linux was actually "easy to install by Linux newbies with no hassles"?
I did have a whole bunch of screenshots of the Puppy Universal Installer and the Grub Config Manager....a gauntlet of linux-specific terminology, laced with double lockouts, linux-guru knowledge assumptions, config file editing, un-demountable drives, dead ends, etc etc, but I must go out now and simply dont have time to prepare them all. Mapping it all out, with the usability issues highlighted would take me a day at least, if not longer.
The fact is, Puppy Linux isnt "easy to install by Linux newbies with no hassles". If you doubt that, sit down with a "linux newbie" and watch them try. I had had 20 years of computing experience with windows, (15 of it at a professional level) when I first tried to install puppy linux (1.09ce) to a hard drive of a computer, and it took me a week of hard mental graft to figure it out the first time. The installer hasnt changed since then.
Compare puppies installation method with the Ubuntu one.
Conclusion
Its a bug because the installer doesnt work how the programmer intended...
"EASILY"!
Ok....so what to do about it?
The installer needs a complete re-work from the ground up, focused not on grubs, MBR's, partitions and menu.lst's, but on how the user wants his computer to behave, according to the level that they (the "linux newbie") understands it. This would propel Puppy Linux further away from being a useful utility disk/linux demo towards a fully fledged linux distribution more useful to its (very large) target audience.
I am happy to work designing the user interface/background processes of this project, but I would be unable to complete it on my own as I do not possess anything but the most basic level of Bash/GTK coding skills.
This will bring far more people away from Windows and into using free software than any kernel update
Who's up for it?
Woof Woof!
Puppy Linux's [url=http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?p=296352#296352]Mission[/url]
Sorry, my server is down atm!
Sorry, my server is down atm!
Ecomoney,
I'm not 100% right now. Maybe not even 90%.
However, I still want to acknowledge your reply.
I ask if we can be on the same page about the
definition of a software bug? Such as, using a
respectable authority for the definition.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Software_bug
Maybe we can discuss the Mission Statement
separately. It's, well like I said, just not 100% right
now. I hate it when that happens, good creative
writing is too hard to muster up at the moment.
Soon, I hope.
Regards,
Bruce
I'm not 100% right now. Maybe not even 90%.
However, I still want to acknowledge your reply.
I ask if we can be on the same page about the
definition of a software bug? Such as, using a
respectable authority for the definition.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Software_bug
Maybe we can discuss the Mission Statement
separately. It's, well like I said, just not 100% right
now. I hate it when that happens, good creative
writing is too hard to muster up at the moment.
Soon, I hope.
Regards,
Bruce
Thank you Bruce for getting back. I hope you feel better soon.
Maybe Im still a little tetchy from all the 4.2 shenanigans recently.
Yes, there is a literal "bug", and something that technically "works" which needs improvement.
At the end of the day.....
Something that doesnt work - and something that cant be worked, amount to the same thing IRL.
Maybe Im still a little tetchy from all the 4.2 shenanigans recently.
Yes, there is a literal "bug", and something that technically "works" which needs improvement.
At the end of the day.....
Something that doesnt work - and something that cant be worked, amount to the same thing IRL.
Puppy Linux's [url=http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?p=296352#296352]Mission[/url]
Sorry, my server is down atm!
Sorry, my server is down atm!
Rob/Bruce
Rather than hijack drjdahman's problem thread, can you start a separate thread on this topic, I'm sure others will find it really interesting, if you go into some depth of the meaning of language, as in common understanding 'from different sides of the pond'
It can be a noob deterrent, IMHO, & I know you wouldn't wish that......
Aitch
Rather than hijack drjdahman's problem thread, can you start a separate thread on this topic, I'm sure others will find it really interesting, if you go into some depth of the meaning of language, as in common understanding 'from different sides of the pond'
It can be a noob deterrent, IMHO, & I know you wouldn't wish that......
Aitch
What advice is missing which drjdahman didn't receive?Aitch wrote:Rob/Bruce
Rather than hijack drjdahman's problem thread, can you
start a separate thread on this topic, I'm sure others will
find it really interesting, if you go into some depth of the
meaning of language, as in common understanding 'from
different sides of the pond'
It can be a noob deterrent, IMHO, & I know you wouldn't
wish that...... :wink:
Aitch :)
Based on the information presented, I don't think anyone
withheld advice. If what was offered didn't help, he can
update us and ask for more. Also, he didn't complain, he
thanked (many thanks).
Last he wrote was: "I will try. Many Thanks."
Ecomoney emphasized item 8 of Puppy's goals.
Will just work, no hassles
If this goal were reasonably accomplished, how is it a
newbie's install will not even boot?
Ecomoney revises the statement in a post to read, emphasis
his . . .
...the "will just work, no hassles" objective is
a work-in-progress!
Falling short of accusing Ecomoney of Polly Anna, I refute
wording in the revision. I will discuss it with Ecomoney in
another topic and forum, for benefit of Aitch, only if
Ecomoney wishes.
But not on off-topic, because this is directly related to
Puppy. Ecomoney has my PM.
Dealing with reality
Here is a very typical and predictiable situation.
Anyone (apologists included) up to explaining how to do
this in the context of - "will just work, no hassles".
Will just work, no hassles
If this goal were reasonably accomplished, how is it a
newbie's install will not even boot?
Ecomoney revises the statement in a post to read, emphasis
his . . .
...the "will just work, no hassles" objective is
a work-in-progress!
Falling short of accusing Ecomoney of Polly Anna, I refute
wording in the revision. I will discuss it with Ecomoney in
another topic and forum, for benefit of Aitch, only if
Ecomoney wishes.
But not on off-topic, because this is directly related to
Puppy. Ecomoney has my PM.
Dealing with reality
Here is a very typical and predictiable situation.
- * Windows XP or Vista
* One NTFS partition
* User wants to install Puppy to co-exist with Windows on
the only available partition.
* naturally, it must boot
Anyone (apologists included) up to explaining how to do
this in the context of - "will just work, no hassles".
Bruce
Having said you aren't even 90% just now, I think you've taken me wrong
I didn't say drjdahman didn't receive advice
Nor did I say 'on off-topic', as I agree with both you & Rob 'because this is directly related to Puppy'
In my memory, Bruce, you were an early help to me, despite our having had later differences of opinion, so my post was not intended as a downer, which you appear to take it as, sadly
All I'm saying is, it just needs its own thread to do the topic 'Puppy Justice' IMHO
& I know it's a contentious issue, but I do have painful memories of not getting on the net from 2 years ago when I first discovered Puppy 2.14 as the best & friendliest Linux yet!
I too, think it's a shame we still have these issues....
both Puppy.... & apparently, you & I
& I've answered publicly here, because I don't think it right to hijack threads, especially noobie ones, as it puts the noobie in the position of complainer, as you suggest, which is neither 'healthy', nor 'desirable' in forum etiquette terms,.... IMHO!
Aitch
Having said you aren't even 90% just now, I think you've taken me wrong
I didn't say drjdahman didn't receive advice
Nor did I say 'on off-topic', as I agree with both you & Rob 'because this is directly related to Puppy'
In my memory, Bruce, you were an early help to me, despite our having had later differences of opinion, so my post was not intended as a downer, which you appear to take it as, sadly
All I'm saying is, it just needs its own thread to do the topic 'Puppy Justice' IMHO
& I know it's a contentious issue, but I do have painful memories of not getting on the net from 2 years ago when I first discovered Puppy 2.14 as the best & friendliest Linux yet!
I too, think it's a shame we still have these issues....
both Puppy.... & apparently, you & I
& I've answered publicly here, because I don't think it right to hijack threads, especially noobie ones, as it puts the noobie in the position of complainer, as you suggest, which is neither 'healthy', nor 'desirable' in forum etiquette terms,.... IMHO!
Aitch
Aitch,
The title of the topic is Puppy 4.12 won't boot
No offense to Brian's excellent website
The Lin'N'ProjectNewB Project
Puppy is a fairly mature distribution and very
popular. It has Frugal Install options for NTFS and FAT.
Of course it can boot after the install, for this reason,
Puppy doesn't need the help of unaffiliated websites over
which it has no control.
If what I just in the above paragraph is true and it
certainly should be, you are fairly right - no discussion in
order. The reason why is Puppy just works and certainly
isn't dependent on outside help to pick itself by the
bootstraps.
If the paragraph is not correct, I think there is a horse in
the corner.
Not everyone wants to see it, but if someone talks about
the horse, reprimands single, duplicated or insanely
redundant are not appreciated, to state it lightly.
~
The title of the topic is Puppy 4.12 won't boot
No offense to Brian's excellent website
The Lin'N'ProjectNewB Project
Puppy is a fairly mature distribution and very
popular. It has Frugal Install options for NTFS and FAT.
Of course it can boot after the install, for this reason,
Puppy doesn't need the help of unaffiliated websites over
which it has no control.
If what I just in the above paragraph is true and it
certainly should be, you are fairly right - no discussion in
order. The reason why is Puppy just works and certainly
isn't dependent on outside help to pick itself by the
bootstraps.
If the paragraph is not correct, I think there is a horse in
the corner.
Not everyone wants to see it, but if someone talks about
the horse, reprimands single, duplicated or insanely
redundant are not appreciated, to state it lightly.
~
Bruce
No offence intended on my part, and despite your 'No offense [sic] to Brian' jibe, the noobie post, drjdahman, actually starts,
YOUR preference that he/she doesn't use it, "as Puppy doesn't need the help of unaffiliated websites over which it has no control",
is irrelevant, in the circumstance, & unhelpful to the original noob poster
Just another opinion, not a helpful solution, don't you see?
Move over, horse, Bruce is going to join you!
Aitch
No offence intended on my part, and despite your 'No offense [sic] to Brian' jibe, the noobie post, drjdahman, actually starts,
So my response is ON topicHi. I followed all the steps from icpug.org.uk
YOUR preference that he/she doesn't use it, "as Puppy doesn't need the help of unaffiliated websites over which it has no control",
is irrelevant, in the circumstance, & unhelpful to the original noob poster
Just another opinion, not a helpful solution, don't you see?
Move over, horse, Bruce is going to join you!
Aitch
Yes, a revised installation method would be the subject of another thread...not in the Beginners Help section.
Would be better to let the newbies think were a professional company or something for a while longer SHHHH!!!!!
Re: ...the "will just work, no hassles" objective isa work-in-progress! ", those were Barrys words...perhaps he meant we were to continually work on it "Just Working".
Just a little note though IPUG has discovered a way to the XP bootloader (ntldlr) to offer a menu of puppy or XP!!!!!
This way it matters not they have hijacked the boot sector of the hard drive....we can still "head them off at the pass". Being able to "repair" an (probably broken) xp installation without having to reformat/lost data would be Puppies most popular trick yet...I hope he gets back to us soon about it.
Would be better to let the newbies think were a professional company or something for a while longer SHHHH!!!!!
Re: ...the "will just work, no hassles" objective isa work-in-progress! ", those were Barrys words...perhaps he meant we were to continually work on it "Just Working".
Just a little note though IPUG has discovered a way to the XP bootloader (ntldlr) to offer a menu of puppy or XP!!!!!
This way it matters not they have hijacked the boot sector of the hard drive....we can still "head them off at the pass". Being able to "repair" an (probably broken) xp installation without having to reformat/lost data would be Puppies most popular trick yet...I hope he gets back to us soon about it.
Puppy Linux's [url=http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?p=296352#296352]Mission[/url]
Sorry, my server is down atm!
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hello!
i have the same problem.
1. i boot the gparted live cd and formated the complete hdd. then i create a partition in ext3 (600mb) and another in swap linux (200mb) (yes this hdd is very small)
2. i booted the puppy cd and installed puppy and grub with the puppy installer (full install). (i used the guide from this site)
(grub was successfully installed)
but when i reboot, my pc give me a message that there is no bootable disk or something else. even when i manually choose the hdd.
is the use of gparted live cd the mistake or could something else be the mistake?
sorry for bad english
i have the same problem.
1. i boot the gparted live cd and formated the complete hdd. then i create a partition in ext3 (600mb) and another in swap linux (200mb) (yes this hdd is very small)
2. i booted the puppy cd and installed puppy and grub with the puppy installer (full install). (i used the guide from this site)
(grub was successfully installed)
but when i reboot, my pc give me a message that there is no bootable disk or something else. even when i manually choose the hdd.
is the use of gparted live cd the mistake or could something else be the mistake?
sorry for bad english
Ecomoney,
A new topic? How about the users forum?
pay-per-view on HBO, proceeds to Puppy title . . .
Ecomoney verses Bruce
a bare fisted fight to the finish
Or no pay-per-view
Polly Annas rumble
18 ounce gloves and headgear, five rounds
Or
Sweetness and Light
an honest intellectual discussion
Or
Heaven Bound
Join us in prayer circle
OR?
Bruce
~
A new topic? How about the users forum?
pay-per-view on HBO, proceeds to Puppy title . . .
Ecomoney verses Bruce
a bare fisted fight to the finish
Or no pay-per-view
Polly Annas rumble
18 ounce gloves and headgear, five rounds
Or
Sweetness and Light
an honest intellectual discussion
Or
Heaven Bound
Join us in prayer circle
OR?
Bruce
~
I'm getting there. Everytime I fix a glitch I get a new glitch. Now it's not finding the pup sfs file despite being there! I'll keep working at it. Any suggestions will help. I love Linux, if I can get it working! MY previous experience was with linux mandrake. It was awesome. Your discussions and feedbacks are very helpful. Thanks to all you guys.