SEARCHING; Ways to search the forum for problems/solutions
My personal favorite search engine, that I've used for years (and it fits well with this linux distro!) is Dogpile. It searches Yahoo, Google, MSN and a few others and tells you from which search engine(s) a particular result was found.
I guess it depends what you're searching for, but I've done o.k. with the forum search using the search button on here -- I usually enter a 2 or 3 word term and select 'search for all terms'.
For general internet searching -- I think google tends to lean toward being good at giving higher ranking for very recently updated pages; but for things I research /search for, I seem to get higher quality results from Yahoo. Using dogpile, I get the best of both worlds!
I guess it depends what you're searching for, but I've done o.k. with the forum search using the search button on here -- I usually enter a 2 or 3 word term and select 'search for all terms'.
For general internet searching -- I think google tends to lean toward being good at giving higher ranking for very recently updated pages; but for things I research /search for, I seem to get higher quality results from Yahoo. Using dogpile, I get the best of both worlds!
I've just spotted this very helpful thread and have immediately installed the Firefox Wellminded search function.
I note that the Search Icon is the same as Google's search Icon. How can I change this to something more obvious, such as the Puppy Linux Dog?
Perhaps, the Wellminded people might put this in as a future option.
Thanks.
I note that the Search Icon is the same as Google's search Icon. How can I change this to something more obvious, such as the Puppy Linux Dog?
Perhaps, the Wellminded people might put this in as a future option.
Thanks.
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When I originally made the plugin, it did have the Puppy icon. It must have gotten lost when they put the plugin on the wellminded page (I didn't make the wellminded page, I just made a search plugin to use it)
The original is over here:
http://www.browserloadofcoolness.com/so ... earch.html
The actual file is this:
http://www.browserloadofcoolness.com/so ... search.xml
The bit in between the image tags is where the actual image is defined.
Looking at the version in use at wellminded, it seems that maybe they made their own version of it:
http://wellminded.com/puppy/search-puppy.xml
The original is over here:
http://www.browserloadofcoolness.com/so ... earch.html
The actual file is this:
http://www.browserloadofcoolness.com/so ... search.xml
The bit in between the image tags is where the actual image is defined.
Looking at the version in use at wellminded, it seems that maybe they made their own version of it:
http://wellminded.com/puppy/search-puppy.xml
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Have you tried the custom google search on the puppy web desktop?
You can search the forum only (murga-linux.com) or all puppylinux.* websites (including .com .org .ca .asia and anything else that comes around that starts with puppylinux)
The forum search yields the same results as the wellminded search.
The second one (.*) will turn up lots of pets on .ca and .asia and useful info from the various faqs, wikis & blogs on .com or .org
See my signature for the link
You can search the forum only (murga-linux.com) or all puppylinux.* websites (including .com .org .ca .asia and anything else that comes around that starts with puppylinux)
The forum search yields the same results as the wellminded search.
The second one (.*) will turn up lots of pets on .ca and .asia and useful info from the various faqs, wikis & blogs on .com or .org
See my signature for the link
Check out my [url=https://github.com/technosaurus]github repositories[/url]. I may eventually get around to updating my [url=http://bashismal.blogspot.com]blogspot[/url].
Thanks Techno
I have posted a link in a post of Eric's
Also new
http://www.scroogle.org/cgi-bin/scraper.htm
http://www.ixquick.com/
Aitch
I have posted a link in a post of Eric's
Also new
thanks puppyite, borrowed from your sigpuppyite wrote:Protect your privacy, use Scroogle.org and get the same results as Go0g!e.
Ixquick is a Metasearch that respects your privacy too
http://www.scroogle.org/cgi-bin/scraper.htm
http://www.ixquick.com/
Aitch
Searching and organising forum help
Many, many thanks to Pizzasgood and most especially peppyy (and all his other aliases) for the Puppy Google Search plugin.
I too get frustrated with the default search engine - though I find it extremely useful (by default) for catching up with the current moving and shaking in the puppy community. I wonder whether the google search link be also included so that the current (default) and detailed (google) be made available to all casual or output-focused users?
Organisation of search results is the other bone of contention. I've frequently spent hours looking for "stuff" and then have to do it all over again weeks later to find that certain diamond of data in the rough. Currently researching the use/possibility of Puppy in low-ram Toshiba laptops - but I would hate for all my tedious crawling to go to waste so I'm aiming to build and post a summary report for fellow and future newbies - also in some way to support those allied interests of Aitch and Colonel Schell in other threads.
To do this I'm using Zotero, an invaluable add-on for Firefox 2+ (alas not Seamonkey or Firepup EDIT: see below ) and creating bibliographical items from each thread of importance (and their cross-references). I cut'n'paste the data 'diamonds' into zotero notes for quick retrieval - but all of the pages, notes etc are re-searchable on- or off-line, for when developing the summary report. The posted report/skeleton search will then be added to and ammended by the suggestions of the puppy community, but hopefully it might serve as a "go to"point for other researchers that might otherwise be lost in the realms of puppy wisdom...I've compiled about 70+ useful threads on low-ram computers - time I re-surfaced into the real world...
Cheers!
(...maybe it might show a new form of self-organization for help research in the puppy forums, via volunteered contributions from newbies or teams of regulars. We could call it "Bitzer".... aaargh real world beckons)
EDIT: I successfully loaded Zotero in Pulp0.03's Firepup (Bon Echo, Firefox 2.0.0.20 base) from the add-on site. I wasn't able to get it working in Firepup previously in other puplets but now we're cooking.
I too get frustrated with the default search engine - though I find it extremely useful (by default) for catching up with the current moving and shaking in the puppy community. I wonder whether the google search link be also included so that the current (default) and detailed (google) be made available to all casual or output-focused users?
Organisation of search results is the other bone of contention. I've frequently spent hours looking for "stuff" and then have to do it all over again weeks later to find that certain diamond of data in the rough. Currently researching the use/possibility of Puppy in low-ram Toshiba laptops - but I would hate for all my tedious crawling to go to waste so I'm aiming to build and post a summary report for fellow and future newbies - also in some way to support those allied interests of Aitch and Colonel Schell in other threads.
To do this I'm using Zotero, an invaluable add-on for Firefox 2+ (alas not Seamonkey or Firepup EDIT: see below ) and creating bibliographical items from each thread of importance (and their cross-references). I cut'n'paste the data 'diamonds' into zotero notes for quick retrieval - but all of the pages, notes etc are re-searchable on- or off-line, for when developing the summary report. The posted report/skeleton search will then be added to and ammended by the suggestions of the puppy community, but hopefully it might serve as a "go to"point for other researchers that might otherwise be lost in the realms of puppy wisdom...I've compiled about 70+ useful threads on low-ram computers - time I re-surfaced into the real world...
Cheers!
(...maybe it might show a new form of self-organization for help research in the puppy forums, via volunteered contributions from newbies or teams of regulars. We could call it "Bitzer".... aaargh real world beckons)
EDIT: I successfully loaded Zotero in Pulp0.03's Firepup (Bon Echo, Firefox 2.0.0.20 base) from the add-on site. I wasn't able to get it working in Firepup previously in other puplets but now we're cooking.
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The best forum search I find, is the 6 or 7 search engines I made and installed in 4.2 Seamonkey with monkey menus and 2.14x Firefox, It does way better results than the forums default search, plus There are others I made like Barry's blog, sourceforge, freshmeat, gnome etc.
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http://html5games.com/ <-- excellent HTML5 games :)
zotero firefox plugin here
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/3504
I also found this, while looking .....
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/10187
Aitch
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/3504
I also found this, while looking .....
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/10187
thanks PuppytEasily navigate through Google search results using a fast, simple and useful Tag-Cloud technique. Use our Topic-Mapping-Technologies for quick access to answers, news, videos, blogs, Wikipedia and more. Install now and boost your search.
Aitch
added, so it doesn't get lost!
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewto ... 068#259068
Aitch
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewto ... 068#259068
Something far too few people search for, IMHOHow to give effective problem reports
Aitch
How are "unanswered posts" arranged?
My apologies if I've failed to find a previously published answer . I admit I've only read the first post of this thread carefully, and skimmed through the rest.
Am hoping there's a simple explanation of the structure of one of the three pre-set searches, the "view unanswered posts" search.
What frustrates me is this.
When I run this search, the first page (page 1 of 230) shows posts from the current date (Nov.6, 2009), yet when I click on the last page (230), it also shows posts from today's date.
And then, when I open the second last page (#229 today), I'm looking at posts for 2005!
Page #1 had 7 posts dated today, page #230 had 9, and all the posts on page 229 were dated 2005...
On third glance, I see that the poster's name in the "last post" column is given as "guest" in all of the posts on the last page.
My first thought was that these were posts by unfortunates who had been banned and converted into "guests", and the database somehow kept their orphaned posts perpetually current. But I see that all but two have an active username in the "author' column.
The other interesting thing is that all nine of these "guest" posts have the same posting time (on the search page), and that this time is always the current time on my system (ie. the last time I looked, it was 11:42 for all the posts).
When I viewed the posts, all displayed time stamps from months or years back (the oldest is from December 2007), except for the one at the bottom of the page ("Puppy Linux in Linux Format"), for which I got a "no posts match your search criteria".
I ran a little experiment with this last post by replying to it. Will see whether it now disappears from the last page of the search...Yep, it's gone!
OOPS! Not so fast. It's gone from the bottom of the last page, but reappears on page one now, with legendofthorn as the author "0 replies" and otropogo as the last poster... The original post is still nowhere to be found. Have asked the author about it via PM.
More weirdness...
After posting this message, I ran the "view unanswered posts" search again to see where my new post would land - and I couldn't see it on either the first, 230th, or 229th (after reloading the pages).
Why not? It got posted, as it's listed in the correct thread, I was able to access it via that route, and it hasn't had any replies...
Explanation(s) please...
Am hoping there's a simple explanation of the structure of one of the three pre-set searches, the "view unanswered posts" search.
What frustrates me is this.
When I run this search, the first page (page 1 of 230) shows posts from the current date (Nov.6, 2009), yet when I click on the last page (230), it also shows posts from today's date.
And then, when I open the second last page (#229 today), I'm looking at posts for 2005!
Page #1 had 7 posts dated today, page #230 had 9, and all the posts on page 229 were dated 2005...
On third glance, I see that the poster's name in the "last post" column is given as "guest" in all of the posts on the last page.
My first thought was that these were posts by unfortunates who had been banned and converted into "guests", and the database somehow kept their orphaned posts perpetually current. But I see that all but two have an active username in the "author' column.
The other interesting thing is that all nine of these "guest" posts have the same posting time (on the search page), and that this time is always the current time on my system (ie. the last time I looked, it was 11:42 for all the posts).
When I viewed the posts, all displayed time stamps from months or years back (the oldest is from December 2007), except for the one at the bottom of the page ("Puppy Linux in Linux Format"), for which I got a "no posts match your search criteria".
I ran a little experiment with this last post by replying to it. Will see whether it now disappears from the last page of the search...Yep, it's gone!
OOPS! Not so fast. It's gone from the bottom of the last page, but reappears on page one now, with legendofthorn as the author "0 replies" and otropogo as the last poster... The original post is still nowhere to be found. Have asked the author about it via PM.
More weirdness...
After posting this message, I ran the "view unanswered posts" search again to see where my new post would land - and I couldn't see it on either the first, 230th, or 229th (after reloading the pages).
Why not? It got posted, as it's listed in the correct thread, I was able to access it via that route, and it hasn't had any replies...
Explanation(s) please...
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Some of the guest people probably were really guests. We used to allow guest posting back when the forum was new, before spam started getting bad.
As for the temporal anomalies, I'm not sure what's going on there. The posts themselves seem to know when they were made. Maybe threads have their own "last reply" timestamp rather than relying on whatever is in the last post in the thread, and maybe it got borked on those ones. I don't know.
As for the one you replied to, it sounds like maybe the post had been deleted but not all the entries in the database were adjusted correctly, so that when you replied, your post became the first post in the thread. And apparently the threads have their own entry for who is the original poster, which did not get updated when you replied (which it shouldn't, since a reply is by definition not the first post.... except when things are screwy).
Maybe these things are a result of the forum crashing in the middle of those people's posts being processed or something.
As for the temporal anomalies, I'm not sure what's going on there. The posts themselves seem to know when they were made. Maybe threads have their own "last reply" timestamp rather than relying on whatever is in the last post in the thread, and maybe it got borked on those ones. I don't know.
As for the one you replied to, it sounds like maybe the post had been deleted but not all the entries in the database were adjusted correctly, so that when you replied, your post became the first post in the thread. And apparently the threads have their own entry for who is the original poster, which did not get updated when you replied (which it shouldn't, since a reply is by definition not the first post.... except when things are screwy).
Maybe these things are a result of the forum crashing in the middle of those people's posts being processed or something.
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Only three of the nine authors are shown as "guest" in the actual post. And of those three, only one., whose post is dated May 8, 2005, would meet the date criteria. The other two posts are date stamped Jully and October, 2009. The rest are all registered users with active accounts.Pizzasgood wrote:Some of the guest people probably were really guests. We used to allow guest posting back when the forum was new, before spam started getting bad.
....
Yes, there's chronological cluster of five posts beginning at 22:42 on March 16, 2008, and ending at 01:41 March 17 which suggests an extended forum malfunction.Maybe these things are a result of the forum crashing in the middle of those people's posts being processed or something.
What concerns me more than the above glitches though, is why my original post above didn't appear in the list after I submitted it..
Is there a set delay after posting before a post is flagged "unanswered" ?
If so, what is it.?
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I have made the search engines mentioned into a mini shell script
which has been kindly made into a pet
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewto ... 024#359024
====== old info - use pet ========
- Click on the File icon on the Puppy desktop
- go somewhere (NB: Windows users - please stay in the room)
- right click
- New / Script
- post in the below code replacing the bit at the top
- make the resulting file executable
- move where you want it
Code: Select all
#! /bin/bash
# PUPPY SEARCH v 0.2 Nov 6 2009
# created by Lobster
###################
# Puppy Search Engine links, Info Find, Help Find Pets and SFS
###################
export PS='
<window title="PS" window-position="1">
<vbox>
<menubar>
<menu>
<menuitem>
<label>Well Minded Search</label>
<action>defaultbrowser http://www.wellminded.com/puppy/pupsearch.html &</action>
</menuitem>
<menuitem>
<label>Forum Search</label>
<action>defaultbrowser http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/search.php &</action>
</menuitem>
<menuitem>
<label>klu9 Search</label>
<action>defaultbrowser http://klu9.50webs.com/puppystuff.html &</action>
</menuitem>
<menuitem>
<label>Community Search</label>
<action>defaultbrowser http://www.puppylinux.org/home/search &</action>
</menuitem>
<menuitem>
<label>Linux Search</label>
<action>defaultbrowser http://linux.die.net/ &</action>
</menuitem>
<menuitem>
<label>Advanced Google</label>
<action>defaultbrowser http://www.google.com/advanced_search?q=site:murga-linux.com&num=100&hl=en&lr=&as_qdr=all &</action>
</menuitem>
<menuitem stock="gtk-quit">
<action>echo You selected the quit menu item</action>
<action type="exit">exit by menu</action>
</menuitem>
<label>Search</label>
</menu>
<menu>
<menuitem>
<label>About</label>
<action>`Xdialog --wrap --screencenter --left --title "About" --msgbox "Puppy Search v 0.2\n6 Nov 2009\nCreated by Lobster\n----\nSearch and Find\nFind Info\nHelp Find Pets and SFS" 600x0`</action>
</menuitem>
<menuitem>
<label>FAQ</label>
<action>`Xdialog --wrap --screencenter --left --title "FAQ" --msgbox "Forum search techniqueI in google (or search engine of choice)\nsite:murga-linux.com my search" 600x0`</action>
</menuitem>
<menuitem>
<label>More Search Info</label>
<action>defaultbrowser http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?p=202412#202412 &</action>
</menuitem>
<label>Help</label>
</menu>
</menubar>
<frame>
<text><label>PUPPY SEARCH</label></text>
</frame>
<hbox>
<button cancel></button>
</hbox>
</vbox>
</window>'
gtkdialog3 --program PS
unset PS
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The link is a misnomer. It's for unanswered threads, not unanswered posts. The criteria for being "unanswered" is to be a thread with only one post => 0 replies.otropogo wrote:What concerns me more than the above glitches though, is why my original post above didn't appear in the list after I submitted it..
Is there a set delay after posting before a post is flagged "unanswered" ?
If so, what is it.?
So they are. I wasn't very observant.Only three of the nine authors are shown as "guest" in the actual post. And of those three, only one., whose post is dated May 8, 2005, would meet the date criteria. The other two posts are date stamped Jully and October, 2009. The rest are all registered users with active accounts.
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Ouch!Pizzasgood wrote:The link is a misnomer. It's for unanswered threads, not unanswered posts. The criteria for being "unanswered" is to be a thread with only one post => 0 replies.otropogo wrote:What concerns me more than the above glitches though, is why my original post above didn't appear in the list after I submitted it..
....
That's what I was afraid of. So there's no way of knowing how many posted questions actually remain unanswered, except that it's probably several times the 6900 shown by the "view unanswered posts".
The problem with this arrangement is that it means the best strategy for getting your question noticed is to post a new thread - which in turn results in duplication of threads and answers and more difficulty in finding them...
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You can use the 'watch this topic' button, top right, or set your preferences to get email when your posts are answered....So there's no way of knowing how many posted questions actually remain unanswered, except that it's probably several times the 6900 shown by the "view unanswered posts"
otherwise. as you say, a new thread
We have tried to get improvements to the forum/search, as you aren't the only complainer, but it seems phpBB has some limitations.....
John Murga may be the guy to make suggestions for changes, to....?
Aitch
As has been amply demonstrated, I'm in no position to complain. So I'm merely trying to understand and perhaps help clarify the limitations and quirks of the forum software.Aitch wrote:...
We have tried to get improvements to the forum/search, as you aren't the only complainer, but it seems phpBB has some limitations.....
John Murga may be the guy to make suggestions for changes, to....?
Aitch
In order to make plausible suggestions to the forum's owner I'd have to know something about the available options for reconfiguring or replacing the forum software, the technical difficulties and costs thereof, and the economics of running the forum. And I'm quite sure there are many forum participants far more qualified and much better positioned in the community hierarchy to make such suggestions than I'll ever be.
So my inquiries are focused on learning to use the forum most efficiently as is, without ruffling too many feahers...
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