Sure; but it has oodles of tartiness.mikeb wrote: As for puppy ...it's a bit of a novelty freebie
Newbies - Puppy needs YOUR help too!
Puppy 431 is great, but
Just a few days exploring Puppy 431 and other distro, just registered on this forum, but reading this and other Linux fora for a few days now.
Installing and using Puppy 431 is no problem and it is very fast
, but
trying to install my D-Link DWA 140 USB Wireless still is a problem. It uses RT2870 chipset, which is recognised by Puppy 431, but it after loading the module, it doesn't recognize the interface.
Any help is appreciated
Installing and using Puppy 431 is no problem and it is very fast
, but trying to install my D-Link DWA 140 USB Wireless still is a problem. It uses RT2870 chipset, which is recognised by Puppy 431, but it after loading the module, it doesn't recognize the interface.
Any help is appreciated
yep wireless is one area that it excels....and being able to get on the internet gets lot of brownie points.I can use wireless just fine on my laptop with this thing, so I guess I don't have it as bad as some people. The thing I don't like is that Puppy doesn't want to play nicely with other operating systems. (Windows)
I use wine and it fine every time but it does not come with the file association so that you can just click on exe files and go....its little details like that that need sorting.
Look at some of the custom versions that have been made...thats what I used at first...with nice software and window managers and no tut...they show what can be done
Just put windows in its place....
mike
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=37783
This tends to be the main wine thread... post and ask/suggest/nag for the addition.
I only have an old fix and did it manually for the later versions since the arrangement for file associations moved..a work in progress.
As you may have noticed nearly everything is done through this forum which is not ideal but thats how it is. Plus its not full of puppy zealots....many use other operating systems and its no problem swapping ideas and help about anything...there's space to do that...and having a decent support community makes a big difference.
Change comes about by making the right noises in the right places....
mike
This tends to be the main wine thread... post and ask/suggest/nag for the addition.
I only have an old fix and did it manually for the later versions since the arrangement for file associations moved..a work in progress.
As you may have noticed nearly everything is done through this forum which is not ideal but thats how it is. Plus its not full of puppy zealots....many use other operating systems and its no problem swapping ideas and help about anything...there's space to do that...and having a decent support community makes a big difference.
Change comes about by making the right noises in the right places....
mike
Installing Pet packages
I've searched the forums trying to figure this one out;
How to install Pet packages.
No clue how to do it, and can't find any information on how to do it. I'm going to Google it as maybe that search engine will give me better results.
Wish me Luck!
How to install Pet packages.
No clue how to do it, and can't find any information on how to do it. I'm going to Google it as maybe that search engine will give me better results.
Wish me Luck!
Re: Installing Pet packages
Well, if you're running the newest Puppy Linux, you should be able to just double-click on the file, or save it from the internet and then run it, or go into that pet package installer and have it do it all for you. Just click "install" on your desktop and click the little "pet package manager" thing. Then you can select what software you want to install from the internet. It's a pretty nice big list.Xolo wrote:I've searched the forums trying to figure this one out;
How to install Pet packages.
No clue how to do it, and can't find any information on how to do it. I'm going to Google it as maybe that search engine will give me better results.
Wish me Luck!
See how we all grow together?
I am very new to Puppy Linux and quite smitten by it! I have used it on and off for a year or two but after hopefully my final clash with Windows I am settling into what I am shooting for my Main OS. I have researched it quite a bit and know what to expect from such a small Distro. But For some reason besides all of it's features and issues, I keep coming back because just like a Real Puppy, it's fun and playful!
I just went through a heck of a time getting it to show up in Grub and feel like a fish out of water at times. I have used a few other flavors of Ubuntu and Opensuse. Every Distro has it's own plus and minus's so it's really a matter of what you want to put your time into. Puppy no watter what I do (with the exception of my Grub issues, which I suspect are more Grub than Puppy) Loads smoothly and runs perfectly on anything I throw at it.
I really Enjoy this community as well. Like in the last few pages I realized that I must be as much of a geek as Tubeguy because I know that his Avatar is an old Coke Bottle Power Beam Pentode at first glance >< (Probably a 6L6 GT) and That Keanen has inspired me to figure out how to load up a Flash player just to watch him rant on Youtube
And to stay on Topic for this thread...
So far what I see the need for most at my point in this game is easier ways to find the info we need to work out the issues. If I could easily find the answers I think the transition from Windows to a New OS would be alot less painless.
The Way I look at it is this... Puppies have that awful puppy breath and razor sharp teeth that will cut you to ribbons, but it's they're cuteness that spirit that keeps you from abandoning them out in the cold
Snookie
P.S. I realize that my writing makes Jack Kerouac's seem like a Haiku so thanks for your patience.
I just went through a heck of a time getting it to show up in Grub and feel like a fish out of water at times. I have used a few other flavors of Ubuntu and Opensuse. Every Distro has it's own plus and minus's so it's really a matter of what you want to put your time into. Puppy no watter what I do (with the exception of my Grub issues, which I suspect are more Grub than Puppy) Loads smoothly and runs perfectly on anything I throw at it.
I really Enjoy this community as well. Like in the last few pages I realized that I must be as much of a geek as Tubeguy because I know that his Avatar is an old Coke Bottle Power Beam Pentode at first glance >< (Probably a 6L6 GT) and That Keanen has inspired me to figure out how to load up a Flash player just to watch him rant on Youtube
And to stay on Topic for this thread...
So far what I see the need for most at my point in this game is easier ways to find the info we need to work out the issues. If I could easily find the answers I think the transition from Windows to a New OS would be alot less painless.
The Way I look at it is this... Puppies have that awful puppy breath and razor sharp teeth that will cut you to ribbons, but it's they're cuteness that spirit that keeps you from abandoning them out in the cold
Snookie
P.S. I realize that my writing makes Jack Kerouac's seem like a Haiku so thanks for your patience.
Monitor resolution
Puppy looks very spread out on my new akoya notebook.
the widescreen has a resolution of 1440x900 but the graphic card is not recognized to be able to cover this resolution.
The tool to switch resolution only gives me access to lower values.
This might of course be a problem, with puppy not recognizing the nvidia card as such.
the widescreen has a resolution of 1440x900 but the graphic card is not recognized to be able to cover this resolution.
The tool to switch resolution only gives me access to lower values.
This might of course be a problem, with puppy not recognizing the nvidia card as such.
if xorg is used then it may be using the generic vesa driver.graphic card is not recognized to be able to cover this resolution
look at /etc/xorg.conf and see what is being used.
If an nvidia driver is being used you may be able to manually change the resolution.
Otherwise search around this forum as there may be an alternative driver available
mike
Long time linux user...New 2 puppy... thoughts, suggestions
Warning : long post, a bit of a rant but with alot of great info for supporters and developers to help you a great deal.
I started my linux life with red-hat 4.0 I think...
After red-hat I switched to mandrake, then suse, and then vectorlinux, for years which is on my main linux box today. I've tried gentoo, archlinux, ubuntu, and many others on spare machines.
Vector's strength was its small size, its ability to run fast and effeciently on older hardware, and its great user base and community. This is why it won a spot on my main linux box for years.
Lately, I looked at many alternatives because honestly, I just was not very happy with the performance of latest vector on my main linux box, a 3ghz dual core intel box with 4 gigs of ram. I mean it runs fine but I just thought it should run better given such good resources. Seems sluggish under heavy multitasking. Also, I've had so many friends ask me to help them try linux, so I was thinking of rolling my own distribution for them to try, kind of wanted to give them something more personal than an off the shelf distro.
I had been a linux user long enough that I considered trying to build my own system from a much smaller linux distro, like dsl or oh... there is puppy linux... Once I saw all the derivatives and how easy it was to roll your own live cd, I got excited. I thought "this may be it!"
I've been using puppy for a few months, puppy vanilla and then tried various puppets and derivatives including wnop, tipsy puppy and others.
Initially I was incredibly impressed with what feels like the fastest, most responsive, lightest footprint desktop focused linux I ever tried. I remember thinking "This is the way linux should run!" when checking it out as live boot on my main windows box, a quad core hp box with 4 gigs of ram. Then I tried it on an older box, a 800mhz older compaq with 512 megs ram and ati radeon 7000 video card. What really impressed me is
that it seemed to run just as fast on that old box as my quad core pc.
Next, I tried it on an even older box, a 450mhz pentium with 256 megs of ram, again it ran just beautifully, fast and responsive again, I thought "Yes, this is it! It runs awesome even on a doorstop pc!"
If you've tried many other distros you may be familar with that click an icon, wait a few seconds for it to start kind of feeling linux often has. (especially on very bloated distros like ubuntu) This feeling is gone with puppy. Point, click and bam, the application starts right up, even with alot loaded at once, its just very responsive and seems to give most of the system resources to the user, instead of the os gobbling up 1/2 or 3/4 of the system resources even while sitting idle. This is so in line with my own personal philosophy that I was ready to make puppy my main distro.
I feel very strongly about this point. The os should serve the user, not strangle him, leaving only 1/2 or 1/4 of the systems ram and resources
to them. NO, the system should run in as little as possible and leave all the hardware possible available for the user to use. Puppy was the first distro I tried that seemed to be in line with this very strong belief I have, so I was very excited.
So the positives for puppy for me are the speed, effeciency, responsiveness and also the ability to be portable, to burn your own live cd or dvd and take your system with you, I tried this a few times and love that really.
Now the downside. I didn't realize it ever but as a linux user, I have been incredibly spoiled by vector linux. Why? Because of their package management. Anything I ever wanted was in there list already, if not I could post a request in the forums if not there (and most programs are already there) and it would be there in 3 or 4 days. (or less most often)
Perhaps my ego was too big but I figured that after running linux for many years, getting serious with puppy would not be so tough but it is, and here is why... your package management to be quite honest is awful.
The official package list of available packages is horrible, I could be wrong since I have been using tipsy for a few days, but look in fun for puppy 4.x you have like 5 or 6 bad games no one wants to use in there.
in the older sections, more old stuff no one can get excited about.
Look in vectorlinux or ubuntoo, or gentoo, or archlinux, or many many others, and you will find 50-150 or more games, many 1st person shooters and 3d great linux games. Yes I know who cares about games, but this is just one example. I could go on, but I won't.
Now I found more places to get packages from by looking alot...
Okay I feel a bit better but if the official lists are so barren, say goodbye to most people trying puppy linux, because they won't care to look as much as I did. You need a central place for info regarding all the places you can find packages for puppy, on your main page of your website.
Next, dependancy nightmare. I was just using tipsy puppy and I noticed under office, no word processor. No problem, I know I saw abiword in the respository, so I ran that and tried an install.
Error messages... dependancies missing, puppy will install those next.
Okay I thought, 12 clicks later, after installing most of them, the install still fails because puppy can't find one dependancy the last one of course, or dosn't know which package may have them. Thats 20 minutes of my life I can't get back. Like I said, I never realized how spoiled I was before this. I talked to a few friends running kind of lesser known distros, and all said oh yes you need to learn to compile and install from source or forget it...
I am determined to learn more, to dig in and make it work, but I remember thinking about windows users or others with little or no linux experience, for them... Forget it, the majority of them will go running back to windows after trying this out in my opinion.
In my view, the single biggest thing puppy is lacking is easy package management. Things like compiz, abiword, open office, wine,dosbox,
abiword, virtualbox... These need to install painlessly or just forget
having users.
Also on hard drive install, the boot loader needs you to press enter, come on man change that to a timed start or forget it. I know many will say its not meant for a main install, but then why offer that if its going to work so slow. Take some time, work on he development of this as a main os or don't bother to offer a full install. Grub is archaic, support lilo as well please.
On package management, what if you developers could support having puppy handle ubuntu or rpm packages, translate those to install to puppy... If you did that most problems with packages and dependancies would be easily solved. Not easy, but worth doing for the future of this thing.
Finally, I wish you the best because puppy follows my personal philosophies so strongly, but what good is a lightweight distro that you have to go to such great pains to get applications you need installed?
It is a novelty but useless without the ability to easily add packages and apps you want easily. Please see my rant as just one example of a frustrated user trying to make this work for them.
Congratulations if you made it through this rant. I wish you supporters and developers only the best for the future, please let me know if I can help you in any way to improve the user experience in any way.
Sincerely,
New puppy fan and user,
Steven
I started my linux life with red-hat 4.0 I think...
After red-hat I switched to mandrake, then suse, and then vectorlinux, for years which is on my main linux box today. I've tried gentoo, archlinux, ubuntu, and many others on spare machines.
Vector's strength was its small size, its ability to run fast and effeciently on older hardware, and its great user base and community. This is why it won a spot on my main linux box for years.
Lately, I looked at many alternatives because honestly, I just was not very happy with the performance of latest vector on my main linux box, a 3ghz dual core intel box with 4 gigs of ram. I mean it runs fine but I just thought it should run better given such good resources. Seems sluggish under heavy multitasking. Also, I've had so many friends ask me to help them try linux, so I was thinking of rolling my own distribution for them to try, kind of wanted to give them something more personal than an off the shelf distro.
I had been a linux user long enough that I considered trying to build my own system from a much smaller linux distro, like dsl or oh... there is puppy linux... Once I saw all the derivatives and how easy it was to roll your own live cd, I got excited. I thought "this may be it!"
I've been using puppy for a few months, puppy vanilla and then tried various puppets and derivatives including wnop, tipsy puppy and others.
Initially I was incredibly impressed with what feels like the fastest, most responsive, lightest footprint desktop focused linux I ever tried. I remember thinking "This is the way linux should run!" when checking it out as live boot on my main windows box, a quad core hp box with 4 gigs of ram. Then I tried it on an older box, a 800mhz older compaq with 512 megs ram and ati radeon 7000 video card. What really impressed me is
that it seemed to run just as fast on that old box as my quad core pc.
Next, I tried it on an even older box, a 450mhz pentium with 256 megs of ram, again it ran just beautifully, fast and responsive again, I thought "Yes, this is it! It runs awesome even on a doorstop pc!"
If you've tried many other distros you may be familar with that click an icon, wait a few seconds for it to start kind of feeling linux often has. (especially on very bloated distros like ubuntu) This feeling is gone with puppy. Point, click and bam, the application starts right up, even with alot loaded at once, its just very responsive and seems to give most of the system resources to the user, instead of the os gobbling up 1/2 or 3/4 of the system resources even while sitting idle. This is so in line with my own personal philosophy that I was ready to make puppy my main distro.
I feel very strongly about this point. The os should serve the user, not strangle him, leaving only 1/2 or 1/4 of the systems ram and resources
to them. NO, the system should run in as little as possible and leave all the hardware possible available for the user to use. Puppy was the first distro I tried that seemed to be in line with this very strong belief I have, so I was very excited.
So the positives for puppy for me are the speed, effeciency, responsiveness and also the ability to be portable, to burn your own live cd or dvd and take your system with you, I tried this a few times and love that really.
Now the downside. I didn't realize it ever but as a linux user, I have been incredibly spoiled by vector linux. Why? Because of their package management. Anything I ever wanted was in there list already, if not I could post a request in the forums if not there (and most programs are already there) and it would be there in 3 or 4 days. (or less most often)
Perhaps my ego was too big but I figured that after running linux for many years, getting serious with puppy would not be so tough but it is, and here is why... your package management to be quite honest is awful.
The official package list of available packages is horrible, I could be wrong since I have been using tipsy for a few days, but look in fun for puppy 4.x you have like 5 or 6 bad games no one wants to use in there.
in the older sections, more old stuff no one can get excited about.
Look in vectorlinux or ubuntoo, or gentoo, or archlinux, or many many others, and you will find 50-150 or more games, many 1st person shooters and 3d great linux games. Yes I know who cares about games, but this is just one example. I could go on, but I won't.
Now I found more places to get packages from by looking alot...
Okay I feel a bit better but if the official lists are so barren, say goodbye to most people trying puppy linux, because they won't care to look as much as I did. You need a central place for info regarding all the places you can find packages for puppy, on your main page of your website.
Next, dependancy nightmare. I was just using tipsy puppy and I noticed under office, no word processor. No problem, I know I saw abiword in the respository, so I ran that and tried an install.
Error messages... dependancies missing, puppy will install those next.
Okay I thought, 12 clicks later, after installing most of them, the install still fails because puppy can't find one dependancy the last one of course, or dosn't know which package may have them. Thats 20 minutes of my life I can't get back. Like I said, I never realized how spoiled I was before this. I talked to a few friends running kind of lesser known distros, and all said oh yes you need to learn to compile and install from source or forget it...
I am determined to learn more, to dig in and make it work, but I remember thinking about windows users or others with little or no linux experience, for them... Forget it, the majority of them will go running back to windows after trying this out in my opinion.
In my view, the single biggest thing puppy is lacking is easy package management. Things like compiz, abiword, open office, wine,dosbox,
abiword, virtualbox... These need to install painlessly or just forget
having users.
Also on hard drive install, the boot loader needs you to press enter, come on man change that to a timed start or forget it. I know many will say its not meant for a main install, but then why offer that if its going to work so slow. Take some time, work on he development of this as a main os or don't bother to offer a full install. Grub is archaic, support lilo as well please.
On package management, what if you developers could support having puppy handle ubuntu or rpm packages, translate those to install to puppy... If you did that most problems with packages and dependancies would be easily solved. Not easy, but worth doing for the future of this thing.
Finally, I wish you the best because puppy follows my personal philosophies so strongly, but what good is a lightweight distro that you have to go to such great pains to get applications you need installed?
It is a novelty but useless without the ability to easily add packages and apps you want easily. Please see my rant as just one example of a frustrated user trying to make this work for them.
Congratulations if you made it through this rant. I wish you supporters and developers only the best for the future, please let me know if I can help you in any way to improve the user experience in any way.
Sincerely,
New puppy fan and user,
Steven
Well steven I agree that the purpose of an operating system is to run programs not just itself but your package woes are being dealt with at the moment...still in testing but basically the idea is based on using repositaries such as debian.
In the meantime the place for software was on here and in third party file sites....ie just like windows...download and click to install..that system does not stop Windows being popular by the way. Indeed having all your software via a program to me always seemed strange...perhaps that why puppy is popular except amongst mainstream linux users...more free and the buzz of finding a new app I suppose...myself I usually skip to debian and grab packages and dependancies from there...download..click..install...guess I'm a control freak as I have never like auto installers of any kind...I want to know whats going in there. The current contents of the package manager do not do justice to what is available and can run on puppy .
By the way that timeout blob has been altered too.
Linux is not windows...puppy is not mainstream linux....it was built to run on older machines from cd or flash sticks giving a self contained suite of general use apps and hardware setups that actually work and are understandable...with a size restraint so lobbing yer average python/qt4/gstreamer behemoth on it is going to take some sorting...its not just windows thats bloated.......apt get blah bloome fudge means sod all to me ....the vast majority of computor users are simply not conditioned to work that way..and why have such amazing technology and software only to do everything from a text screen...
The 'devs' are a handful of unpaid volenteers with minimal resources but some smart specialists in there.....you can be one too....your experience could help iron out the creases in the latest developments to make one sorted package management system for example.
Another challenge is the exponential increasing demands for newer libs, kernels, etc etc ..working on a base that does not need major modifications for a good 2 to 3 years is much easier....programming for win32 is a doddle in comparison....ie firefox 3 obsoleted any distro less than a year old overnight..but windows support is still a good 10 years ...puppy is adapting to this but updating is based on adoption of a new release rather than constant lib updates. The there is the needless hardware changes like sata designed to sell new hardware and software and save a few pennies at the same time. Wireless manufacturers are a pain........oh now you got me ranting...and I have moaned about certain aspects of puppy on here....and some of those things have been sorted...I've popped up a few fixes and they got used..I have made my own custom happy versions ... your original interest...and it was easy
I need the bathroom....so the world can get some peace from me.
regards
mike
In the meantime the place for software was on here and in third party file sites....ie just like windows...download and click to install..that system does not stop Windows being popular by the way. Indeed having all your software via a program to me always seemed strange...perhaps that why puppy is popular except amongst mainstream linux users...more free and the buzz of finding a new app I suppose
...myself I usually skip to debian and grab packages and dependancies from there...download..click..install...guess I'm a control freak as I have never like auto installers of any kind...I want to know whats going in there. The current contents of the package manager do not do justice to what is available and can run on puppy .By the way that timeout blob has been altered too.
Linux is not windows...puppy is not mainstream linux....it was built to run on older machines from cd or flash sticks giving a self contained suite of general use apps and hardware setups that actually work and are understandable...with a size restraint so lobbing yer average python/qt4/gstreamer behemoth on it is going to take some sorting...its not just windows thats bloated.......apt get blah bloome fudge means sod all to me ....the vast majority of computor users are simply not conditioned to work that way..and why have such amazing technology and software only to do everything from a text screen...
The 'devs' are a handful of unpaid volenteers with minimal resources but some smart specialists in there.....you can be one too....your experience could help iron out the creases in the latest developments to make one sorted package management system for example.
Another challenge is the exponential increasing demands for newer libs, kernels, etc etc ..working on a base that does not need major modifications for a good 2 to 3 years is much easier....programming for win32 is a doddle in comparison....ie firefox 3 obsoleted any distro less than a year old overnight..but windows support is still a good 10 years ...puppy is adapting to this but updating is based on adoption of a new release rather than constant lib updates. The there is the needless hardware changes like sata designed to sell new hardware and software and save a few pennies at the same time. Wireless manufacturers are a pain........oh now you got me ranting...and I have moaned about certain aspects of puppy on here....and some of those things have been sorted...I've popped up a few fixes and they got used..I have made my own custom happy versions ... your original interest...and it was easy
I need the bathroom....so the world can get some peace from me.
regards
mike
Package management and more...
First let me say again if I can be of any help to the developers, I would be happy to contribute some time and energy to what I feel is definitely a worthwhile cause.
Next, I'm happy to hear about the work being done for package management. Funny, what you said they are doing is exactly what I thought should be done, just have puppy learn to use another systems
packages, preferably another system with loads of packages, and debian is great for that.
This week I'll have some more spare time to noodle around with puppy and I plan on trying harder to get packages installed and get a system with all my needs going.
EUAE, abiword, milkytracker, rezound, audacity, gimp, firefox, xmms, brutalchess, chromium bsu, open arena, virtualbox, syncterm (telnet client) gkrellm, synfig studio, blender and I'm sure a bunch of others that I am forgetting, but its not that huge of a list.
If I can get the applications I'm used to using installed, I'll be ready to make the switch.
Any idea how long till the release the new package management system?
Steven
Next, I'm happy to hear about the work being done for package management. Funny, what you said they are doing is exactly what I thought should be done, just have puppy learn to use another systems
packages, preferably another system with loads of packages, and debian is great for that.
This week I'll have some more spare time to noodle around with puppy and I plan on trying harder to get packages installed and get a system with all my needs going.
EUAE, abiword, milkytracker, rezound, audacity, gimp, firefox, xmms, brutalchess, chromium bsu, open arena, virtualbox, syncterm (telnet client) gkrellm, synfig studio, blender and I'm sure a bunch of others that I am forgetting, but its not that huge of a list.
If I can get the applications I'm used to using installed, I'll be ready to make the switch.
Any idea how long till the release the new package management system?
Steven