You Have Enough Ram in Your Computer System but Not Enough Ram in Your Head to Accomplish the Task.... Have a Great Day With Your New Found Knowledge....bugman wrote:and i'm sure you have enough RAM to make frugal an optionBronco Billy wrote:I Have a Pentium 2.4 with Puppy 431 frugally installed on a the Default Linux file system... With ONE Modification to menu.lst..... Everything is done with the Universal Installer using ALL the Defaults except for the ONE Mod to Menu.lst..... This Frugal Puppy 431 Install can be done in 10 Minutes to the System of Your Choice...... This Installation Will NOT CRASH on a Dirty Power Down..... Have a Great Day with Your New Found Knowledge....
i do not, especially as i do heavy-duty music editing
my full install will ALSO NOT CRASH on a dirty power down [as i mentioned after this morning's power outage]
btw, i think this summer [thunderstorm season] i will post every time the power goes out [and in as many threads as possible] about how my full install my puppy bounced right back, and sign off with:
Have a Great Day with Your New Found Knowledge....
[in other words, i will be a repetitive bore TOO]
Advantages/Disadvantages of HD Install?
- Bronco Billy
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Do You Work for Geico............
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Sorry, Broncs,
read your posts,
pondered,
still cannot see your reason
Have a Great Day With Your New Found Knowledgeable Great Dane....
read your posts,
pondered,
still cannot see your reason
Have a Great Day With Your New Found Knowledgeable Great Dane....
[color=green]Celeron 2.8 GHz, 1 GB, i82845, many ptns, modes 12, 13
Dual Xeon 3.2 GHz, 1 GB, nvidia quadro nvs 285[/color]
Slackos & 214X, ... and Q6xx
[color=darkred]Nämen, vaf....[/color] [color=green]ln -s /dev/null MHHP[/color]
Dual Xeon 3.2 GHz, 1 GB, nvidia quadro nvs 285[/color]
Slackos & 214X, ... and Q6xx
[color=darkred]Nämen, vaf....[/color] [color=green]ln -s /dev/null MHHP[/color]
Re: Do You Work for Geico............
no, sweetie, like i said, i do music editing, it eats up everything in the system, which is why i use a FULL INSTALL with no rox desktop, no cupsd, no a couple of other thingsBronco Billy wrote:You Have Enough Ram in Your Computer System but Not Enough Ram in Your Head to Accomplish the Task....
i boot with about 50mb of ram being used, 450mb available, can't do that with frugal
otherwise, i eat up the swap partition on my hard drive, and the processing goes REALLY SLOW, and that would be BAD
and every power outage, i reboot without a problem, and that would be GOOD
Have a Great Day With Your New Found Knowledge....
Java ought to work fine. It does here. Among other things, I can successfully run IBM's Eclipse programming environment, which is written in Java.JMW4th wrote:does Java not work? I installed the Pet package from the Wiki, but it does not seem to be working at all. am I missing something?
Tell us what apparently isn't working?
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Dennis
I think maybe it is because i am using google chrome.DMcCunney wrote:Java ought to work fine. It does here. Among other things, I can successfully run IBM's Eclipse programming environment, which is written in Java.JMW4th wrote:does Java not work? I installed the Pet package from the Wiki, but it does not seem to be working at all. am I missing something?
Tell us what apparently isn't working?
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Dennis
but speaking of...I was under the impression that with Puppy 4.3.1 that you could use the Package Manager to install files from other distros like Debian/Ubuntu?
however, whenever I try to do this, the Package successfully installs, but for some reason I can't use it. I can't find it on my menus, and then when I do find it somehow...when I click on it nothing happens. no "failure" warning or anything. no install errors.
What happens if you try SeaMonkey or Firefox?JMW4th wrote:I think maybe it is because i am using google chrome.DMcCunney wrote:Java ought to work fine. It does here. Among other things, I can successfully run IBM's Eclipse programming environment, which is written in Java.JMW4th wrote:does Java not work? I installed the Pet package from the Wiki, but it does not seem to be working at all. am I missing something?
Tell us what apparently isn't working?
I have Google Chrome on my desktop and it works fine, but the Linux version is still too much of a work in progress, and I prefer Firefox in any case.
Well, the package manager says it installed. It needs better error checking routines. I've seen it say it installed something (from a tgz file) when in fact it didn't. It didn't see errors and reported success, but it likely wasn't looking at enough possible failure conditions.but speaking of...I was under the impression that with Puppy 4.3.1 that you could use the Package Manager to install files from other distros like Debian/Ubuntu?
however, whenever I try to do this, the Package successfully installs, but for some reason I can't use it. I can't find it on my menus, and then when I do find it somehow...when I click on it nothing happens. no "failure" warning or anything. no install errors.
To see what's going on, I'd open a terminal window, navigate to the location where the executable was placed, and invoke it from the command line as ./<whatever>. The likely problem is missing dependencies - one or more libraries the app needs to work aren't present on Puppy.
The Ubuntu package manger is good about this: when you select a package from a repository, it analyzes dependencies and downloads not only the application, but anything it needs you don't already have. Puppy is only beginning to do any sort of dependency management.
I've installed from DEB files, but I normally just open the DEB archive, and extract the data.tgz file from it, then extract the contents of that to /. The data.tgz file will contain the binaries and other things required by the app, and doing an extract with full paths will put things in the desired places.
This will not update the Puppy menu structure (which I mostly don't care about because the programs I'm installing are things that wouldn't have one, like console apps), and there's no guarantee the app will run - I may have missing dependencies and have to hunt down libraries.
What DEB files were you interested in?
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Dennis
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Re: The Reality is Full Install 431 FAILS......
I did, until I ended up with a forest of Fix(y)'s when I tried to e2fsck the partition. I'm not blaming Puppy for that; there's probably something amiss with the drive. Maybe old age.Bronco Billy wrote:Have a Great Day with Your New Found Knowledge.....Colonel Panic wrote:The disadvantage of a hard drive install in the old days used to be that when an XOrg crash happened - and it did with monotonous regularity - it was pot luck whether or not you'd be able to get X Windows working again as there was no easy way to fix it (yes I've posted on it here ). Now that XOrg is more stable on the recent versions of Puppy, this may not be an issue any longer and I'm thinking of giving it another shot.
A footnote; ever tried to use e2fsck when there's a large number of errors? I gave up after the seconfd hundred (y)'s). Why hasn't someone managed to automate it by now?
Gigabyte M68MT-52P motherboard, AMD Athlon II X4 630, 5.8 GB of DDR3 RAM and a 250 GB Hitachi hard drive running Ubuntu 16.04.6, MX-19.2, Peppermint 10, PCLinuxOS 20.02, LXLE 18.04.3, Pardus 19.2, exGENT 200119, Bionic Pup 8.0 and Xenial CE 7.5 XL.
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Re: The Reality is Full Install 431 FAILS......
I did, until I ended up with a forest of Fix(y)'s when I tried to e2fsck the partition. I'm not blaming Puppy for that; there's probably something amiss with the drive. Maybe old age.Bronco Billy wrote:Have a Great Day with Your New Found Knowledge.....Colonel Panic wrote:The disadvantage of a hard drive install in the old days used to be that when an XOrg crash happened - and it did with monotonous regularity - it was pot luck whether or not you'd be able to get X Windows working again as there was no easy way to fix it (yes I've posted on it here ). Now that XOrg is more stable on the recent versions of Puppy, this may not be an issue any longer and I'm thinking of giving it another shot.
A footnote; ever tried to use e2fsck when there's a large number of errors? I gave up after about the second hundred Fix(y)'s. Why hasn't someone managed to automate it by now?
Gigabyte M68MT-52P motherboard, AMD Athlon II X4 630, 5.8 GB of DDR3 RAM and a 250 GB Hitachi hard drive running Ubuntu 16.04.6, MX-19.2, Peppermint 10, PCLinuxOS 20.02, LXLE 18.04.3, Pardus 19.2, exGENT 200119, Bionic Pup 8.0 and Xenial CE 7.5 XL.
downloaded Java from here:
http://puppylinux.org/wikka/JavaRuntimeEnvironment
and it fails to install.
http://puppylinux.org/wikka/JavaRuntimeEnvironment
and it fails to install.
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Re: The Reality is Full Install 431 FAILS......
I Did Automate It.......Colonel Panic wrote:I did, until I ended up with a forest of Fix(y)'s when I tried to e2fsck the partition. I'm not blaming Puppy for that; there's probably something amiss with the drive. Maybe old age.Bronco Billy wrote:Have a Great Day with Your New Found Knowledge.....Colonel Panic wrote:The disadvantage of a hard drive install in the old days used to be that when an XOrg crash happened - and it did with monotonous regularity - it was pot luck whether or not you'd be able to get X Windows working again as there was no easy way to fix it (yes I've posted on it here ). Now that XOrg is more stable on the recent versions of Puppy, this may not be an issue any longer and I'm thinking of giving it another shot.
A footnote; ever tried to use e2fsck when there's a large number of errors? I gave up after about the second hundred Fix(y)'s. Why hasn't someone managed to automate it by now?
Frugal reinstall on the default linux partioned drive.... Then add the Below Fix to the New frugal Install menu.lst.... You should NEVER Have any more Failures on Dirty Power Downs..... Have a Great Day with Your New Found Knowledge.......
Add the Red pfix=fsck to Your Menu.lst and reboot....
title Puppy Linux 431 frugal
rootnoverify (hd0,0)
kernel /puppy431/vmlinuz pmedia=atahd psubdir=puppy431 nosmp pfix=fsck
initrd /puppy431/initrd.gz
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Re: The Reality is Full Install 431 FAILS......
Thanks for this, but where do I find the menu.lst file? I know there's one if you boot from grub, but AFAIK you only get grub when you have a full install.Bronco Billy wrote:I Did Automate It.......Colonel Panic wrote:I did, until I ended up with a forest of Fix(y)'s when I tried to e2fsck the partition. I'm not blaming Puppy for that; there's probably something amiss with the drive. Maybe old age.Bronco Billy wrote: Have a Great Day with Your New Found Knowledge.....
A footnote; ever tried to use e2fsck when there's a large number of errors? I gave up after about the second hundred Fix(y)'s. Why hasn't someone managed to automate it by now?
Frugal reinstall on the default linux partioned drive.... Then add the Below Fix to the New frugal Install menu.lst.... You should NEVER Have any more Failures on Dirty Power Downs..... Have a Great Day with Your New Found Knowledge.......
Add the Red pfix=fsck to Your Menu.lst and reboot....
title Puppy Linux 431 frugal
rootnoverify (hd0,0)
kernel /puppy431/vmlinuz pmedia=atahd psubdir=puppy431 nosmp pfix=fsck
initrd /puppy431/initrd.gz
Gigabyte M68MT-52P motherboard, AMD Athlon II X4 630, 5.8 GB of DDR3 RAM and a 250 GB Hitachi hard drive running Ubuntu 16.04.6, MX-19.2, Peppermint 10, PCLinuxOS 20.02, LXLE 18.04.3, Pardus 19.2, exGENT 200119, Bionic Pup 8.0 and Xenial CE 7.5 XL.
- Bronco Billy
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Re: The Reality is Full Install 431 FAILS......
Colonel Panic wrote:Thanks for this, but where do I find the menu.lst file? I know there's one if you boot from grub, but AFAIK you only get grub when you have a full install.Bronco Billy wrote:I Did Automate It.......Colonel Panic wrote: I did, until I ended up with a forest of Fix(y)'s when I tried to e2fsck the partition. I'm not blaming Puppy for that; there's probably something amiss with the drive. Maybe old age.
A footnote; ever tried to use e2fsck when there's a large number of errors? I gave up after about the second hundred Fix(y)'s. Why hasn't someone managed to automate it by now?
Frugal reinstall on the default linux partioned drive.... Then add the Below Fix to the New frugal Install menu.lst.... You should NEVER Have any more Failures on Dirty Power Downs..... Have a Great Day with Your New Found Knowledge.......
Add the Red pfix=fsck to Your Menu.lst and reboot....
title Puppy Linux 431 frugal
rootnoverify (hd0,0)
kernel /puppy431/vmlinuz pmedia=atahd psubdir=puppy431 nosmp pfix=fsck
initrd /puppy431/initrd.gz
Menu.lst is in the Grub Folder on a Frugal Install.... If I Remember Correctly there Is NO menu.lst in a Full Install.... Have a Great Day....
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Your Right....
rjbrewer wrote:/boot/grub/menu.lst for both frugal and full installs.
Re: The Reality is Full Install 431 FAILS......
You don't remember correctly.Bronco Billy wrote:Menu.lst is in the Grub Folder on a Frugal Install.... If I Remember Correctly there Is NO menu.lst in a Full Install....
I have a full install, and menu.lst is in /boot/grub. There has to be one, as it's what grub uses to display your boot options on startup.
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Re: The Reality is Full Install 431 FAILS......
It has been. See http://linux.die.net/man/8/fsck.ext3 for the man page.Colonel Panic wrote:A footnote; ever tried to use e2fsck when there's a large number of errors? I gave up after the seconfd hundred (y)'s). Why hasn't someone managed to automate it by now?
The short answer is that passing -y as an argument tells e2fsck to assume a yes answer to all questions.
This has been true for every version of fsck on every flavor of *nix I've used since AT&Y System V Release 2 in the 80s.
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Dennis
What, if anything, does it say when you try?JMW4th wrote:downloaded Java from here:
http://puppylinux.org/wikka/JavaRuntimeEnvironment
and it fails to install.
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Dennis
Re: The Reality is Full Install 431 FAILS......
yes there is. I've been using Linux for exactly two days, and even I knew that.Bronco Billy wrote:
Menu.lst is in the Grub Folder on a Frugal Install.... If I Remember Correctly there Is NO menu.lst in a Full Install.... Have a Great Day....