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RetroTechGuy · #61 Post by **RetroTechGuy** » Fri 19 Mar 2010, 20:04

ttuuxxx wrote:I think ibiblio has a limited on files being hosted for a duration of time. Like they kind of like older ones removed.

The only way I think we could ever get this solved is to have a major player donate a server or server space, like
USA=Bell telephone
Australia=Telstra
Canada=Bell Canada
One of those might be possible, by I have no Idea how to contact the right departments.
ttuuxxx

I'm thinking some of the Universities might be willing to help (it's useful, non-commercial, and open source)...

BTW, can you give me an estimate of how much data is on the site? I'm sorta guessing 10's of GB, probably not 100's of GB...

If I can get a decent guess, at least we'll know what we're looking for in the way of storage.

smokey01 · #62 Post by **smokey01** » Fri 19 Mar 2010, 20:26

Another method might be to have a cooperative arrangement. This way we could have our own server. It would require funding but with the amount of Puppy users I'm sure many would donate, like a membership. No pay no play. It would just need someone with the smarts to organise and run it. A $100 per year would not be unreasonable and look at the benefits. The price could even be considerably less with more members. This would also add an extra layer of control to protect the server and members.
I know we all like free stuff but nothing is really free there are always hidden costs. Ask anyone who is married.

You never know Eric may even be interested.

RetroTechGuy · #63 Post by **RetroTechGuy** » Fri 19 Mar 2010, 20:31

smokey01 wrote:Another method might be to have a cooperative arrangement. This way we could have our own server. It would require funding but with the amount of Puppy users I'm sure many would donate, like a membership. No pay no play. It would just need someone with the smarts to organise and run it. A $100 per year would not be unreasonable and look at the benefits. The price could even be considerably less with more members. This would also add an extra layer of control to protect the server and members.
I know we all like free stuff but nothing is really free there are always hidden costs. Ask anyone who is married.

I'm rather getting the impression that the problem is finding a cooperative host site (one that won't mind say 60GB/month traffic), not finding funding to support it... (if it is simply a funding issue, what would it take to "buy off" the current host's negative attitude? -- at least that might buy some time)

smokey01 · #64 Post by **smokey01** » Fri 19 Mar 2010, 20:38

My point was, if we owned the server then we don't have that hosting problem.

I'm sure there will also be lots of complaints about paying too as many are not flash with cash. I'm sure this could be worked through though.

RetroTechGuy · #65 Post by **RetroTechGuy** » Fri 19 Mar 2010, 20:42

smokey01 wrote:My point was, if we owned the server then we don't have that hosting problem.

I'm sure there will also be lots of complaints about paying too as many are not flash with cash. I'm sure this could be worked through though.

But the server still needs a pipe to the outside world (and thus we'd have to find an ISP that would permit 60GB/month traffic)... This would be the advantage to a external hosting site (i.e. the pipe is included in the hosting service -- I don't think that the storage space is an issue, but rather the bandwidth).

Caneri · #66 Post by **Caneri** » Fri 19 Mar 2010, 21:03

Hi Grant,

Good to see you again.

I've followed that path of owning the server etc.

When I was with John at igsobe.com he supplied the hardware with massive amounts of bandwidth with tech support to boot. He charged me very little for what we got but there was a downtime issue that persisted and the whole she-bang crumbled after a month of being locked out of the server. We had 4gb of ram on a 750gb drive with 3 virtual machines running (one for production and another rsync with a spare test vm). I would re-connect with him but stability is paramount.

I looked at doing the pay to play but there just isn't enough money without google ads and I was banned for illegal clicks (which I didn't do) at the same time Murga was kicked from google.

All in all your plan would entail setting up a private ISP and do reselling....yup tried that too but we had not one response to a cheap and generous shared hosting plan that as offered a year or so ago.

So you see when free is expected it is hard to overcome.

More later,
All the best Grant...Eric

@ttuuxxx...I've been pestering Telus for a bunch of years now without results and I have contacts inside the company. The issue is there needs to be a reason for a big corp to donate....so far they just don't care...grrrr

Dingo · #67 Post by **Dingo** » Fri 19 Mar 2010, 21:14

may be a possible solution to find a filehosting allowing ftp upload, signing a premium account?

it seems webhosters are restrictive about file hosting in terms of bandwidth

Caneri · #68 Post by **Caneri** » Fri 19 Mar 2010, 21:21

Hi Dingo,

Well the problem is I'm already on a business account so the next step is "Enterprise" or VPS with lots more costs....and after my host deleted files without warning I'm not in the mood to trust them any longer..E

smokey01 · #69 Post by **smokey01** » Fri 19 Mar 2010, 21:53

Hi Eric,

You know it was not this difficult in the good old days when I ran a BBS on Fidonet. You pretty much had total control over who had access and what they could do. You didn't have to worry about hosts deleting files either.

How difficult would it be to setup a single user ISP company?

We will have to catchup on Psip soon.

RetroTechGuy · #70 Post by **RetroTechGuy** » Fri 19 Mar 2010, 22:08

Caneri wrote:Hi All,

Well I finally have an answer from my host and the outcome is a disaster.
The following reply is their answer and I fear I will be shut down soon.

Hello,

Thank you for your inquiry.

Our system will remove large files that are generating enough traffic. Using our servers for the purposes for file storage is against our terms of service.

Regards,
Norman
Netfirms Support Team.
Ok..so the scamble is on!!

@all ftp accounts.

Pls start to find other areas for your files as this time there is no where for me to go as no other host will accept me with the way I use a server...sorry folks!!

BTW, for comparison, this is what godaddy's terms indicate:

http://www.godaddy.com/gdshop/legal_agr ... HOSTING_SA

http://www.godaddy.com/gdshop/legal_agr ... ageid=UTOS

(at least it doesn't seem to forbid file storage)

It would still be interesting to find someone who has used their site for such...see if they squawk about high traffic...

Q5sys · #71 Post by **Q5sys** » Tue 23 Mar 2010, 22:18

What about using a server at a DC that is mostly known for selling seedboxes? Yes I know piracy isnt what we want to promote here, but those boxes are set up with the ability to do large amounts of data every month. Just because some people use their services at a place like server.lu ovh.net, etc, for illegal reasons doesnt mean that they can only be used for illegal reasons.

http://www.kimsufi.co.uk/ks/
OVH kimsufi boxes limit you to 3TB a month of traffic, but you can eaisly buy more bandwidth.
All we are talking about is a system to save data to, and allow FTP connections to. You dont need a front facing website.

Caneri · #72 Post by **Caneri** » Tue 23 Mar 2010, 23:24

Hi Q5sys,

That's not possible.

The developers, as well as myself, hold integrity as the most important aspect of serving files to the public.

I have already lost people that had a question of professional integrity and I WILL not be in a position to lose more because of shady servers....sorry, not interested but still your idea is valid...Eric

PS..I have 3tb now..the problem is finding a place that likes what we do and will help.

http://www.igsobe.com has been good to us and may well be a home again if everyone thinks we can deal with the odd downtime from John.

Q5sys · #73 Post by **Q5sys** » Wed 24 Mar 2010, 00:59

Caneri wrote:Hi Q5sys,

That's not possible.

The developers, as well as myself, hold integrity as the most important aspect of serving files to the public.

I have already lost people that had a question of professional integrity and I WILL not be in a position to lose more because of shady servers....sorry, not interested but still your idea is valid...Eric

PS..I have 3tb now..the problem is finding a place that likes what we do and will help.

http://www.igsobe.com has been good to us and may well be a home again if everyone thinks we can deal with the odd downtime from John.

No prob, i just didnt see it mentioned yet which is why I thought i'd toss it into the mix. I respect anyone that stands by their principles.

RetroTechGuy · #74 Post by **RetroTechGuy** » Wed 24 Mar 2010, 04:25

Caneri wrote: http://www.igsobe.com has been good to us and may well be a home again if everyone thinks we can deal with the odd downtime from John.

Will he waive the 10GB limit?
http://www.igsobe.com/tos.html
Or is this simply a "trip point" for his money back guarantee? (looking at a couple of his plans indicates some problematic bandwidth limits)

That seems to the main issue with all of these services...

#75 Post by **ttuuxxx** » Wed 24 Mar 2010, 04:40

Caneri wrote:
http://www.igsobe.com has been good to us and may well be a home again if everyone thinks we can deal with the odd downtime from John.

Hi Eric igsobe has been good, if you can keep them that would be great, downtimes are ok, It would be nice if during downtimes that the main index.html could maybe say something like, out of bandwidth for the month, will be back XX/XX/2010 that way people won't get all crazy and post tons of messages, less crap to deal with

with the amounts that you do provide its a excellent job, better than anyone before you ever did for the community

2 Thumbs up
ttuuxxx

Aitch · #76 Post by **Aitch** » Wed 24 Mar 2010, 05:14

Eric, just a thought, you know your stats best

Would it be possible to split files, based on activity, say 100 slow movers to 1 quick one, up to maybe 1-1.5Gb, spread over several servers/virtual servers, but all pointed to the same facing page?
If graphics were separated out as zips, that may help prevent unwanted use

http://www.bluehost.com/

as used by scientificblogging.com

Aitch

#77 Post by **ttuuxxx** » Wed 24 Mar 2010, 05:23

also a speed max limit of like 100kb/sec would be ok, I find 100kb, single connection per ip, downloading a 100MB distro is good, My net speed is 2mb per sec, but I'm looking at it as a non greedy way to slow down the usage.
ttuuxxx

jamesbond · #78 Post by **jamesbond** » Wed 24 Mar 2010, 06:15

Hosted in Australia, an unlimited 1Mbps connection will cost $150 per month, while the co-lo itself costs $60 per month for a 1U server. We can get a low-end 1U server for about $1,500 these days. (All figures Australian dollars). Any takers?

Caneri · #79 Post by **Caneri** » Mon 29 Mar 2010, 23:57

I have been watching the account over this last while and have come to the conclusion that the server is no longer secure or valid.

My robots.txt and htaccess have been altered by unknown persons and with the missing iso files I conclude my host is hastening my departure....or at least someone is messing around inside and this is unacceptable. I also seem to have a logging problem....hmm

I have taken steps to stop this but if it's the host then there's nothing to do but move...and fast.

I no longer consider the files to be intact and advise y'all to check every file that is downloaded.

Eric

Caneri · #80 Post by **Caneri** » Tue 04 May 2010, 20:00

Hi All,

Well here we go again.

I have missing iso files again after they were replaced. I have also taken steps to make sure it's not a hacker,break in etc....so it's my host for certain.

I haven't looked at what else has been deleted but my host is handing me my hat and showing me the door.

I suggest, that the remaining ftp users contact russoodle or smokey01 aka Grant for future hosting as this situation I find myself in is intolerable.

Sorry All...I'm out of options.

Best,
Eric

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