TXZ_pup 4.5
Big Bass,
Keep doing what you enjoy doing and I'll keep licking up the crumbs!
I switched to one of your very early Slaxer versions as my main operating system and have never gone back to regular Puppy. This weekend, I'll try your new TXZ version. It sounds great. The only problem is that I have my old Slaxer version tricked out just the way I like it and I'd hate to have to do that all over again -- or maybe it would be great fun to do it all over again. Oh, the decisions!
Keep doing what you enjoy doing and I'll keep licking up the crumbs!
I switched to one of your very early Slaxer versions as my main operating system and have never gone back to regular Puppy. This weekend, I'll try your new TXZ version. It sounds great. The only problem is that I have my old Slaxer version tricked out just the way I like it and I'd hate to have to do that all over again -- or maybe it would be great fun to do it all over again. Oh, the decisions!
hey hillside
thanks
testing is safe with
just dont do a version update start clean
I had to remove old 412 sfs you could just rename them also
to pup_412-old.sfs or something else
to prevent the kernel panic error of using a wrong sfs file
then when its time to make the save file save as TXZ the pup file gets auto named from the GUI installer to
pup_save-TXZ.2fs
BTW the TXZ has a new number for the sfs pup_450.sfs
with new icons for 2fs and sfs
Joe
thanks
testing is safe with
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puppy pfix=ram
I had to remove old 412 sfs you could just rename them also
to pup_412-old.sfs or something else
to prevent the kernel panic error of using a wrong sfs file
then when its time to make the save file save as TXZ the pup file gets auto named from the GUI installer to
pup_save-TXZ.2fs
BTW the TXZ has a new number for the sfs pup_450.sfs
with new icons for 2fs and sfs
Joe
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I know the issue. For puppies I did customization also. Mostly things done in a terminal/console.hillside wrote:Big Bass,
Keep doing what you enjoy doing and I'll keep licking up the crumbs!
I switched to one of your very early Slaxer versions as my main operating system and have never gone back to regular Puppy. This weekend, I'll try your new TXZ version. It sounds great. The only problem is that I have my old Slaxer version tricked out just the way I like it and I'd hate to have to do that all over again -- or maybe it would be great fun to do it all over again. Oh, the decisions!
What I did is put these in a script and when I change a version, I run the script and I am back in business in minutes.
Time savers:
Find packages in a snap and install using Puppy Package Manager (Menu).
Consult Wikka
Use peppyy's puppysearch
Find packages in a snap and install using Puppy Package Manager (Menu).
Consult Wikka
Use peppyy's puppysearch
Thanks for the latest TXZ Joe.
Just installed frugal on my X2 with geforce 8200 GS, great job providing the nVidia drivers, the standard open source drivers don't cut it with my hardware, well they work, but I think you know what I mean
I still have good ol' slaxer on my older box, still runs like a champion.
I'll keep TXZ around too, always good to have a some diversification,
Cheers
Mick
Just installed frugal on my X2 with geforce 8200 GS, great job providing the nVidia drivers, the standard open source drivers don't cut it with my hardware, well they work, but I think you know what I mean
I still have good ol' slaxer on my older box, still runs like a champion.
I'll keep TXZ around too, always good to have a some diversification,
Cheers
Mick
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sir big_bass got some issues/query regarding TXZ_pup
1. i tried installing GRUB many times but wont boot after reboot!
even if try all the GRUB option, though i'm no expert with puppy or linux for that matter i can say i can easily install quite a few linux distro and puppy
one thing i notice it needs a M$ partition to continue with the GRUB booting without error (why? why? why? )
2. can i remaster it just like other puppy? (i successfully remastrd 4.21 with our school simple requirements without problem!)
3. when i installed some of the files provided here particularly openoffice-3.1.1-i586-2jsc.tgz, it did not install its menu properly furhter investigation showed it was actually put under some CATEGORY not found in TXZ_pup and when i tested it the language is german (hope i got it right).
i haven't tested other packages included but will find time in a few days, i'm seriously comtemplating in using your derivative cos i find it somewhat fast as compared to our currently installed puppy
issue number 1 really got me thinking for 2 days now!
last point, i didn't really like slack way back before when i started exploring open source as alternative to M$ but with your puppy whoa it made me stop and force my senses to give it a try one more time
1. i tried installing GRUB many times but wont boot after reboot!
even if try all the GRUB option, though i'm no expert with puppy or linux for that matter i can say i can easily install quite a few linux distro and puppy
one thing i notice it needs a M$ partition to continue with the GRUB booting without error (why? why? why? )
2. can i remaster it just like other puppy? (i successfully remastrd 4.21 with our school simple requirements without problem!)
3. when i installed some of the files provided here particularly openoffice-3.1.1-i586-2jsc.tgz, it did not install its menu properly furhter investigation showed it was actually put under some CATEGORY not found in TXZ_pup and when i tested it the language is german (hope i got it right).
i haven't tested other packages included but will find time in a few days, i'm seriously comtemplating in using your derivative cos i find it somewhat fast as compared to our currently installed puppy
issue number 1 really got me thinking for 2 days now!
last point, i didn't really like slack way back before when i started exploring open source as alternative to M$ but with your puppy whoa it made me stop and force my senses to give it a try one more time
Hey badsaintz
1. I dont use grub I use lilo to boot (I have slackware installed) so in order to set up grub I have to manually install my other hard drive ( I shouldnt have to, this should work for you)
but ... in geen is a standard 412 install as an example only dont use that
title Puppy Linux 412 frugal
rootnoverify (hd0,1)
kernel /puppy412/vmlinuz pmedia=idehd psubdir=puppy412 nosmp
initrd /puppy412/initrd.gz
in blue is what I would change to boot TXZ_pup
notice I made a new folder called txz_450
title TXZ_pup 450 frugal
rootnoverify (hd0,1)
kernel /txz_450/vmlinuz pmedia=idehd psubdir=txz_450
initrd /txz_450/initrd.gz
a blank text file called IDEHD
the real files initrd.gz pup_450.sfs vmlinuz should all be inside the txz_450 folder
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*advanced set up for lilo.conf booted distros (this boots windows slackware and TXZ_pup )
thats just number one I'll get the other questions a bit later
moving to another house so a lot of work today carrying boxes
Joe
1. I dont use grub I use lilo to boot (I have slackware installed) so in order to set up grub I have to manually install my other hard drive ( I shouldnt have to, this should work for you)
but ... in geen is a standard 412 install as an example only dont use that
title Puppy Linux 412 frugal
rootnoverify (hd0,1)
kernel /puppy412/vmlinuz pmedia=idehd psubdir=puppy412 nosmp
initrd /puppy412/initrd.gz
in blue is what I would change to boot TXZ_pup
notice I made a new folder called txz_450
title TXZ_pup 450 frugal
rootnoverify (hd0,1)
kernel /txz_450/vmlinuz pmedia=idehd psubdir=txz_450
initrd /txz_450/initrd.gz
a blank text file called IDEHD
the real files initrd.gz pup_450.sfs vmlinuz should all be inside the txz_450 folder
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*advanced set up for lilo.conf booted distros (this boots windows slackware and TXZ_pup )
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# LILO configuration file
# generated by 'liloconfig'
#
# Start LILO global section
# Append any additional kernel parameters:
append=" vt.default_utf8=0"
boot = /dev/hda
# Boot BMP Image.
# Bitmap in BMP format: 640x480x8
bitmap = /boot/slack.bmp
# Menu colors (foreground, background, shadow, highlighted
# foreground, highlighted background, highlighted shadow):
bmp-colors = 255,0,255,0,255,0
# Location of the option table: location x, location y, number of
# columns, lines per column (max 15), "spill" (this is how many
# entries must be in the first column before the next begins to
# be used. We don't specify it here, as there's just one column.
bmp-table = 60,6,1,16
# Timer location x, timer location y, foreground color,
# background color, shadow color.
bmp-timer = 65,27,0,255
# Standard menu.
# Or, you can comment out the bitmap menu above and
# use a boot message with the standard menu:
#message = /boot/boot_message.txt
# Wait until the timeout to boot (if commented out, boot the
# first entry immediately):
prompt
# Timeout before the first entry boots.
# This is given in tenths of a second, so 600 for every minute:
timeout = 1200
# Override dangerous defaults that rewrite the partition table:
change-rules
reset
# VESA framebuffer console @ 1024x768x256
vga = 773
# Normal VGA console
# vga = normal
# VESA framebuffer console @ 1024x768x64k
# vga=791
# VESA framebuffer console @ 1024x768x32k
# vga=790
# VESA framebuffer console @ 1024x768x256
# vga=773
# VESA framebuffer console @ 800x600x64k
# vga=788
# VESA framebuffer console @ 800x600x32k
# vga=787
# VESA framebuffer console @ 800x600x256
# vga=771
# VESA framebuffer console @ 640x480x64k
# vga=785
# VESA framebuffer console @ 640x480x32k
# vga=784
# VESA framebuffer console @ 640x480x256
# vga=769
# End LILO global section
# Windows bootable partition config begins
other = /dev/hda1
label = Windows
table = /dev/hda
# Windows bootable partition config ends
# Linux bootable partition config begins
image = /boot/vmlinuz
root = /dev/hda2
label = Linux
read-only
# lilo is in etc/lilo.conf
#======GRUB EXAMPLE only======
#title TXZ_pup 450 frugal
#rootnoverify (hd0,1)
#kernel /txz_450/vmlinuz pmedia=idehd psubdir=txz_450
#initrd /txz_450/initrd.gz
#========================
###################################
# lilo boot for TXZ_pup 450
# frugal with save file
image =/txz_450/vmlinuz
root = /dev/hda2
initrd =/txz_450/initrd.gz
label = TXZ_pup
read-only
###################################
# Ram-TXZ_pup
image = /txz_450/vmlinuz
root = /dev/ram0
label = Ram-TXZ
append = "pfix=ram"
initrd = /txz_450/initrd.gz
read-only
##################################
# fsck TXZ_pup
image = /txz_450/vmlinuz
root = /dev/ram0
label = fsck-Slaxer
append = "pfix=fsck"
initrd = /txz_450/initrd.gz
read-only
# Linux bootable partition config ends
thats just number one I'll get the other questions a bit later
moving to another house so a lot of work today carrying boxes
Joe
Last edited by big_bass on Sun 18 Jul 2010, 01:00, edited 3 times in total.
gammagone
removed cups so epdfview needs one dependency from cups
I wanted a clean start if you dont want cups installed I can upload you that lib as a package fix
http://www.puppy2.org/slaxer/libcups2-1-i486-3_SLXR.txz
hiawatha : the only thing I noticed that changed was one config file so here it is
that must have been a bug fix that never got in the official package
http://www.puppy2.org/slaxer/hiawatha_f ... 3_SLXR.txz
hope that does it for you
Joe
Iĺl fix the right click and make a script to updated that (remove those)right click open with is mostly broken links
epdfview won't open - error: libcups.so.2
hiawatha gives the dreaded 403 error no matter what i try
uninstall - reinstall - change permissions
i really like hiawatha to work/play with
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rm -f /root/.config/rox.sourceforge.net/OpenWith/composer
rm -f /root/.config/rox.sourceforge.net/OpenWith/gview
rm -f /root/.config/rox.sourceforge.net/OpenWith/gxine
rm -f /root/.config/rox.sourceforge.net/OpenWith/inkscapelite
rm -f /root/.config/rox.sourceforge.net/OpenWith/mozilla
rm -f /root/.config/rox.sourceforge.net/OpenWith/pupzip
removed cups so epdfview needs one dependency from cups
I wanted a clean start if you dont want cups installed I can upload you that lib as a package fix
http://www.puppy2.org/slaxer/libcups2-1-i486-3_SLXR.txz
hiawatha : the only thing I noticed that changed was one config file so here it is
that must have been a bug fix that never got in the official package
http://www.puppy2.org/slaxer/hiawatha_f ... 3_SLXR.txz
hope that does it for you
Joe
sorry big_bass but hiawatha is a no go
tried several different versions with same results - 403 - forbidden
tried everything i could find on forum and at hiawatha site too
hiawatha is running but just won't display anything
seems they had the same problem on one of the 4.2 alphas
evidently it got fixed on later builds
but nobody ever really figured out the bug
tried chmod 777 -R /root
chmod 777 -R /etc
even chmod 777 -R /
tried new seamonkey
still get 403 - forbidden
i'm stumped
maybe next rebuild it will get automagic fix
tried several different versions with same results - 403 - forbidden
tried everything i could find on forum and at hiawatha site too
hiawatha is running but just won't display anything
seems they had the same problem on one of the 4.2 alphas
evidently it got fixed on later builds
but nobody ever really figured out the bug
tried chmod 777 -R /root
chmod 777 -R /etc
even chmod 777 -R /
tried new seamonkey
still get 403 - forbidden
i'm stumped
maybe next rebuild it will get automagic fix
gammagone
well if you have to have it lets try with a freshly compiled package on TXZ_pup
this way I know its all there at least
http://www.puppy2.org/slaxer/hiawatha-7 ... 3_SLXR.txz
http://puppylinux.org/wikka/Hiawatha
Joe
well if you have to have it lets try with a freshly compiled package on TXZ_pup
this way I know its all there at least
http://www.puppy2.org/slaxer/hiawatha-7 ... 3_SLXR.txz
http://puppylinux.org/wikka/Hiawatha
Joe
OPEN OFFICE 3.20
this is a monster 143MB compressed 340 uncompressed
it would take me 3 hours just to upload it
so I dont mind adding the fixes on top of the "official " package to customize it to get it working
*special thanks to rlworkman for the base package
this is not one of the those packages you just down load and use
many fixes added had to hand edit a lot of stuff .The good part is my fixes will allow updated versions to work also so
its really the best way to do this type of monster package
OFFICIAL BASE PACKAGE
http://rlworkman.net/pkgs/13.0/i486/ope ... -1_rlw.tgz
OO-fix-1-i486-3_SLXR] important !! install this after you install open office
http://www.puppy2.org/slaxer/OO-fix-1-i486-3_SLXR.txz
@java is a required package
for the data base I was able to make and save files without java
but since this package is so big anyway you should complete it with java
I did a how to java in another post that I'ĺl have to update
Joe
this is a monster 143MB compressed 340 uncompressed
it would take me 3 hours just to upload it
so I dont mind adding the fixes on top of the "official " package to customize it to get it working
*special thanks to rlworkman for the base package
this is not one of the those packages you just down load and use
many fixes added had to hand edit a lot of stuff .The good part is my fixes will allow updated versions to work also so
its really the best way to do this type of monster package
OFFICIAL BASE PACKAGE
http://rlworkman.net/pkgs/13.0/i486/ope ... -1_rlw.tgz
OO-fix-1-i486-3_SLXR] important !! install this after you install open office
http://www.puppy2.org/slaxer/OO-fix-1-i486-3_SLXR.txz
@java is a required package
for the data base I was able to make and save files without java
but since this package is so big anyway you should complete it with java
I did a how to java in another post that I'ĺl have to update
Joe
Last edited by big_bass on Sun 18 Jul 2010, 16:30, edited 2 times in total.
big_bass
i just reinstalled txz450 still using grub but without M$ Partition and it boots normally without tweakng the menu.lst! i dont know how & why!
i have tested the ff packages and works great though i decided to edit the category of OpenOffice apps and deleted netbeans
SFS_Installer-1.0-430.pet
fpc-2.2.0-0.pet
OpenOffice301_JRE_lzma_413.sfs
jdk_netbeans-1.6u10_6.1.sfs
but hiawatha-7.2-i486-3_SLXR.txz as gammagone already told us wont cooperate! the hiawatha started ok but when accessing phpMyAdmin it gave me 404
i just reinstalled txz450 still using grub but without M$ Partition and it boots normally without tweakng the menu.lst! i dont know how & why!
i have tested the ff packages and works great though i decided to edit the category of OpenOffice apps and deleted netbeans
SFS_Installer-1.0-430.pet
fpc-2.2.0-0.pet
OpenOffice301_JRE_lzma_413.sfs
jdk_netbeans-1.6u10_6.1.sfs
but hiawatha-7.2-i486-3_SLXR.txz as gammagone already told us wont cooperate! the hiawatha started ok but when accessing phpMyAdmin it gave me 404
TXZ_Pup-4.50-7-13-2010.iso
got a boot on SDcard with only the files in the attached image and this for menu.lst
no network interfaces seen > no internet
on clicking geany get popup (attached) which changes the keyboard to
quitting the popup or yes, both still change the keyboard.
got a boot on SDcard with only the files in the attached image and this for menu.lst
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title TXZ_pup 450
rootnoverify (hd1,0)
kernel /txz450/vmlinuz psubdir=txz450 pfix=fsck phome=txz450
initrd /txz450/initrd.gz
on clicking geany get popup (attached) which changes the keyboard to
for firefox, leafpad, geany, portabe opera but it is still correct for gnumeric.qwerty456*
asdfgh123
zxcvbn0
quitting the popup or yes, both still change the keyboard.
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Hey aarf
I dont know what computer you are on but looking at your "sig" it may be this one
ATH5K
http://www.puppy2.org/slaxer/madwifi-r3 ... 3_SLXR.txz
*I didnt see a root device with what you posted
then again I dont have a SD card to test on but this may help
title TXZ_pup 450 on SD
root (hd1,0)
kernel /txz450/vmlinuz root=/dev/sda1 ro pfix=fsck
initrd /txz450/initrd.gz
geany starts clean as a new package so you get that message I didnt edit the geany config at all I´ll check what happened there
thanks for posting
Joe
I dont know what computer you are on but looking at your "sig" it may be this one
ATH5K
http://www.puppy2.org/slaxer/madwifi-r3 ... 3_SLXR.txz
*I didnt see a root device with what you posted
then again I dont have a SD card to test on but this may help
title TXZ_pup 450 on SD
root (hd1,0)
kernel /txz450/vmlinuz root=/dev/sda1 ro pfix=fsck
initrd /txz450/initrd.gz
geany starts clean as a new package so you get that message I didnt edit the geany config at all I´ll check what happened there
thanks for posting
Joe
Last edited by big_bass on Mon 19 Jul 2010, 02:30, edited 1 time in total.
Hello, badsaintz & big_bass
To come back to the grub boot-up problem:
finds the correct drive?
The line
could as well be
if you have only one partition on this disk, or
if your TXZ puppy is on your third partition.
For example, I have sda2, sda5 and sda6 partitions available on my first hard drive. (sda1 and other numbers were used for an old Windoze installation that I've now erased from this disk and don't exist anymore.)
For grub, 0 (zero) is a real number, and the first one, actually, so, for my disk:
Linux = grub
sda2 = hda0,1
sda5 = hda0,4
sda6 = hda0,5
I also have another hard disk with the following equivalents:
Linux = grub
sdb5 = hda1,4
sdb6 = hda1,5
sdb7 = hda1,6
You simply find the correct disk / partition where your TXZ puppy is located.
Ref.: http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/manual ... ice-syntax
grub also has a handy command-line interface. (Type the "escape" key to enter at the grub menu and then "e" to edit a particular line.) You can use the equivalents above and edit the root line for your needs.
I hope this helps. BFN.
To come back to the grub boot-up problem:
Wouldn't that be because you've unhooked the HD where your Windoze is and the grub default command ofbadsaintz wrote:big_bass
i just reinstalled txz450 still using grub but without M$ Partition and it boots normally without tweakng the menu.lst! i dont know how & why!
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root (hd0,0)
The line
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rootnoverify (hd0,1)
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root (hd0,0)
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root (hd0,2)
For example, I have sda2, sda5 and sda6 partitions available on my first hard drive. (sda1 and other numbers were used for an old Windoze installation that I've now erased from this disk and don't exist anymore.)
For grub, 0 (zero) is a real number, and the first one, actually, so, for my disk:
Linux = grub
sda2 = hda0,1
sda5 = hda0,4
sda6 = hda0,5
I also have another hard disk with the following equivalents:
Linux = grub
sdb5 = hda1,4
sdb6 = hda1,5
sdb7 = hda1,6
You simply find the correct disk / partition where your TXZ puppy is located.
Ref.: http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/manual ... ice-syntax
grub also has a handy command-line interface. (Type the "escape" key to enter at the grub menu and then "e" to edit a particular line.) You can use the equivalents above and edit the root line for your needs.
I hope this helps. BFN.
musher0
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"You want it darker? We kill the flame." (L. Cohen)
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"You want it darker? We kill the flame." (L. Cohen)
booting with
no pupsave us keyboard, x 24 resolution
open home folder> click madwifi-r3878-20081204_2.6.27.7-i486-3_SLXR.txz says it installs. try to connect> interface not detected> load module cant find madwifi or ath5k in list cant type madwifi or ath5k in specify module as keyboard already corrupted as above. geany hasn't been touched yet, done just what is written here.
cant check installed module because ppm cut off as per attached.
saw warning during boot something like: maximum mounts reached
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title TXZ_pup 450
root (hd1,0)
kernel /txz450/vmlinuz root=/dev/sda1 ro psubdir=txz450 pfix=fsck phome=txz450
initrd /txz450/initrd.gz
open home folder> click madwifi-r3878-20081204_2.6.27.7-i486-3_SLXR.txz says it installs. try to connect> interface not detected> load module cant find madwifi or ath5k in list cant type madwifi or ath5k in specify module as keyboard already corrupted as above. geany hasn't been touched yet, done just what is written here.
cant check installed module because ppm cut off as per attached.
saw warning during boot something like: maximum mounts reached
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# md5sum mad*
534a9cb9c52cdb35babc152c151f3ec9 madwifi-r3878-20081204_2.6.27.7-i486-3_SLXR.txz
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aarf
should have done this first
lets see what you have
* paste the output please
press enter
if it needs the madwifi use this
press enter
Joe
should have done this first
lets see what you have
* paste the output please
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grep "eth0:" /tmp/bootkernel.log
if it needs the madwifi use this
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/sbin/modprobe ath_pci
Joe
Last edited by big_bass on Sun 18 Jul 2010, 22:54, edited 1 time in total.
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# grep "eth0:" /tmp/bootkernel.log
# grep "eth0:" /tmp/bootkernel.log
# /sbin/modprobe ath_pci
FATAL: Module ath_pci not found.
(click installed madwifi here)
# grep "eth0:" /tmp/bootkernel.log
# /sbin/modprobe ath_pci
# grep "eth0:" /tmp/bootkernel.log
# /sbin/modprobe ath_pci
# grep "wlan0:" /tmp/bootkernel.log
#
(copied contents of /tmp/bootkernel.log to abiword file here is attached)
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thanks for the new hiawatha package
even with it, the pplog still gave me hell
i got so frustrated i just uninstalled pplog and hiawatha
then reinstalled the new hiawtha and using it in the default location
/var/www/hiawatha
default index didn't display right - just had to add
MimetypeConfig = /etc/mime.types
to hiawatha.conf and works good
tried copying pplog over and set cgi perl to work but it still gives problems
so i just deleted it for now
better start fresh and i don't want to waste anymore time on it (pplog)
now i need to get php going and be ok - learning as i go
one question?
the scripts etc/rc.d/rc.hiawatha and /etc/rc.d/rc-php-gcgi
seem to be for starting and stopping (not too good at reading code)
how to use them ???
EDIT: on reboot hiawatha is running so i guess that's what they are for
thanks again big_bass - i'm really liking this version
love the fish wallpaper
even with it, the pplog still gave me hell
i got so frustrated i just uninstalled pplog and hiawatha
then reinstalled the new hiawtha and using it in the default location
/var/www/hiawatha
default index didn't display right - just had to add
MimetypeConfig = /etc/mime.types
to hiawatha.conf and works good
tried copying pplog over and set cgi perl to work but it still gives problems
so i just deleted it for now
better start fresh and i don't want to waste anymore time on it (pplog)
now i need to get php going and be ok - learning as i go
one question?
the scripts etc/rc.d/rc.hiawatha and /etc/rc.d/rc-php-gcgi
seem to be for starting and stopping (not too good at reading code)
how to use them ???
EDIT: on reboot hiawatha is running so i guess that's what they are for
thanks again big_bass - i'm really liking this version
love the fish wallpaper