Classic Pup 2.14X -- Updated 2 series
- MinHundHettePerro
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BTW, how do I change the number of desktops in 214X-xfce, I know I've done it in other xfce distros, but can't seem to find how to do it here .
Cheers /
MHHP
Cheers /
MHHP
[color=green]Celeron 2.8 GHz, 1 GB, i82845, many ptns, modes 12, 13
Dual Xeon 3.2 GHz, 1 GB, nvidia quadro nvs 285[/color]
Slackos & 214X, ... and Q6xx
[color=darkred]Nämen, vaf....[/color] [color=green]ln -s /dev/null MHHP[/color]
Dual Xeon 3.2 GHz, 1 GB, nvidia quadro nvs 285[/color]
Slackos & 214X, ... and Q6xx
[color=darkred]Nämen, vaf....[/color] [color=green]ln -s /dev/null MHHP[/color]
http://packages.debian.org/sid/xbindkeys-configttuuxxx wrote:I'm easy if superswitcher stays or goes, It was introduced into 2.14X just to give a function to the "Windows" key next to the alt key, but I never use it, plus it does take some resources.
ttuuxxx
This is what I use for such things. Nice GUI, easy to configure.
- darkstrike
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- ttuuxxx
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lol it was on the previous page, /root/Startup/superswitcher and restart xdarkstrike wrote:Yeah, no menu issues for me either anymore Sinc, n00b question though, what file to I edit to permanently kill SuperSwitcher on startup?
also have you notice much of a resource change, I'm just wondering if this is the future of classic pup, I don't want to drastically reduce older pc's from using this release.
ttuuxxx
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http://samples.mplayerhq.hu/A-codecs/ <-- Codec Test Files
http://html5games.com/ <-- excellent HTML5 games :)
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Oh, sorry I missed it Ttuuxxx!
As for resource use, nope, not really, so kudos to ya! Seems as "fast" as it had been before, but IMHO it's still certainly usable for basic stuff....e-mail, listening to some MP3s, IM chatting
Then again, I'm doing a lot of small tweaking, so once I finish up it should be a LITTTTLLLEEEEE faster than it is now
I'll report back over the next day or so until I get it all sorted.
As for resource use, nope, not really, so kudos to ya! Seems as "fast" as it had been before, but IMHO it's still certainly usable for basic stuff....e-mail, listening to some MP3s, IM chatting
Then again, I'm doing a lot of small tweaking, so once I finish up it should be a LITTTTLLLEEEEE faster than it is now
I'll report back over the next day or so until I get it all sorted.
Since I have the original 214xRC5 on one partition and 214x-top3 on another I've been doing a bit of unscientific comparison. Basically using the info from Htop I'd say the Metacity version uses slightly more resources than the original version.ttuuxxx wrote: have you notice much of a resource change, I'm just wondering if this is the future of classic pup, I don't want to drastically reduce older pc's from using this
My other post was from top3, FF one tab open here posting using 85-90 mb ram while this post is from the original 214x one tab open on FF using between 67-74 mb of ram.
Hard to tell about the cpu since it fluctuates so much.
But just running both versions, I actually can't really tell much of a difference
Sometimes numbers are just numbers.
- ttuuxxx
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Thanks for the reply james
looks very promising then, I would like one day for jwm to use graphic files for the window decorations and taskbar like Icewm.
but this new combo is pretty nice. Haven't read any real complaints against it other than super switcher.
cool
ttuuxxx
Ps thanks once again for comparing
looks very promising then, I would like one day for jwm to use graphic files for the window decorations and taskbar like Icewm.
but this new combo is pretty nice. Haven't read any real complaints against it other than super switcher.
cool
ttuuxxx
Ps thanks once again for comparing
http://audio.online-convert.com/ <-- excellent site
http://samples.mplayerhq.hu/A-codecs/ <-- Codec Test Files
http://html5games.com/ <-- excellent HTML5 games :)
http://samples.mplayerhq.hu/A-codecs/ <-- Codec Test Files
http://html5games.com/ <-- excellent HTML5 games :)
Re: 214X
jduffy22335 wrote:Hi, you can bypass the pup_save search and later show screen, if you add the PUPSAVE location in GRUB, here is mine for frugal:ttuuxxx wrote: Also have had "senior moments" with the grub menu for this, if I add pfix=fsck, it occurs after log out, before shutdown. Also noticed that the default save file goes in "home" even though it loaded main SFS from a sub directory, and shows other save files in a sub directory to choose to load at start up. Didn't this get resolved in earlier versions? I want to think it did.
root (h0,0)
kernel /puppy214test/vmlinuz root=/dev/ram0 PMEDIA=idehd SFSFILE=ext3,hdb3,/puppy214test/pup_214R.sfs PUPSAVE=ext3,hdb3,/puppy214test/pup_save.3fs
initrd /puppy214R/initrd.gz
This is the default behavior for 214X it use the first pup_214X.sfs file found and yet do the pup_save search.
Greetings,
clarf
Hello,
Well, I`m back and a little behind...
D/L this one now, should be perfect for my "dinosaur"..
(Does it still need to be in "boot" like the last one I tried...?)
I`ll get back after I check it out....
Ahhh, its nice to be back....
Well, I`m back and a little behind...
D/L this one now, should be perfect for my "dinosaur"..
(Does it still need to be in "boot" like the last one I tried...?)
I`ll get back after I check it out....
Ahhh, its nice to be back....
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Re: 214X
clarf wrote:
Hi, you can bypass the pup_save search and later show screen, if you add the PUPSAVE location in GRUB, here is mine for frugal:
root (h0,0)
kernel /puppy214test/vmlinuz root=/dev/ram0 PMEDIA=idehd SFSFILE=ext3,hdb3,/puppy214test/pup_214R.sfs PUPSAVE=ext3,hdb3,/puppy214test/pup_save.3fs
initrd /puppy214R/initrd.gz
: This is the default behavior for 214X it use the first pup_214X.sfs file found and yet do the pup_save search.
Thanks Clarf, your name is the one I remember identifying/correcting some of the quirks we initially found with 214X, since we were already "trained" with the 4.2 + versions.
Well, I too have been swamped with work and have fallen behind in keeping up with things here. So today I took some time to take care of that.
The mirror linked below has been updated. Please let me know if you find any issues and let me know if I missed anything that should be there.
The direct link to the 214X page, is http://www.wisdom-seekers.com/puppy214x.html
Thanks to all those who continue to make this project shine!
Sully
The mirror linked below has been updated. Please let me know if you find any issues and let me know if I missed anything that should be there.
The direct link to the 214X page, is http://www.wisdom-seekers.com/puppy214x.html
Thanks to all those who continue to make this project shine!
Sully
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Hi,
I´m suited to use the Window key for many tasks in Windows XP, sadly Superswitcher developer is lazy to add new features (no new updates in ages) and this application sometimes reuses to work, even in previous 214X versions. In my opinion It takes too much RAM to add one single function to Win Key, jemimah suggestions looks good instead.
About the resources and performance comparisons. I also made some test..
metacity seems very fast and light just twice the RAM usage of jwm, but XFCE is too big actually is more than twice the size of metacity, about five or four times jwm. Looking at process level, Taskbar is the process identified as xfce-panel, each additional component is an additional xfce-menu-plugin process (for example Xfce menu is an additional process called xfce-menu-plugin the same as modem lights and other taskbar components) that uses more RAM.
about future 214X releases:
Considering that 214X has newer (and of course bigger) libraries, applications and functions, actually it´s size has grown considerably. In the near future it will limit the usability range in old machines for higher memory requirements (and I would like to add some stuff that will speed up 214X functionality but eventually will need more memory resources).
I consider it´s time to divide Classic Pup 214X in two branchs and make more experiments like it. A new forum thread could be good too.
Classic Pup 214X actually is recognize for it´s extended use in old hardware, basically a good combination of size, features, kernel version and stability, but I´m sure it´s usage can be extended for good looking, innovation and a mix of cutting edge/classic stuff too.
I applaud ttuuxxx achievements and vision, I´ll be more than pleased to test and support new Classic Pup variants.
clarf
I´m suited to use the Window key for many tasks in Windows XP, sadly Superswitcher developer is lazy to add new features (no new updates in ages) and this application sometimes reuses to work, even in previous 214X versions. In my opinion It takes too much RAM to add one single function to Win Key, jemimah suggestions looks good instead.
About the resources and performance comparisons. I also made some test..
metacity seems very fast and light just twice the RAM usage of jwm, but XFCE is too big actually is more than twice the size of metacity, about five or four times jwm. Looking at process level, Taskbar is the process identified as xfce-panel, each additional component is an additional xfce-menu-plugin process (for example Xfce menu is an additional process called xfce-menu-plugin the same as modem lights and other taskbar components) that uses more RAM.
about future 214X releases:
Considering that 214X has newer (and of course bigger) libraries, applications and functions, actually it´s size has grown considerably. In the near future it will limit the usability range in old machines for higher memory requirements (and I would like to add some stuff that will speed up 214X functionality but eventually will need more memory resources).
I consider it´s time to divide Classic Pup 214X in two branchs and make more experiments like it. A new forum thread could be good too.
Classic Pup 214X actually is recognize for it´s extended use in old hardware, basically a good combination of size, features, kernel version and stability, but I´m sure it´s usage can be extended for good looking, innovation and a mix of cutting edge/classic stuff too.
I applaud ttuuxxx achievements and vision, I´ll be more than pleased to test and support new Classic Pup variants.
clarf
- MinHundHettePerro
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To answer my own question:MinHundHettePerro wrote:BTW, how do I change the number of desktops in 214X-xfce, I know I've done it in other xfce distros, but can't seem to find how to do it here .
Rename (uncomment) /root/.gconf/apps/metacity/general/%gconf.xml to /root/.gconf/apps/metacity/general/%gconf.xml, i.e. remove the leading % from the filename, and edit the line
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<entry name="num_workspaces" mtime="1282316500" type="int" value="2">
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value="3"
First impressions after settling my itch for 3 DTs:
there's a lot of jwm stuff left; in the desktop menu, control panel...
I could see a need/use for corresponding tools to set up metacity.
I'm so spoiled with right-clicking on the desktop bringing up the main menu - haven't found that one out yet...
Apart from the settings issue with the new Wm-Panel combo, it feels as quick and responsive as 214X always has .
I've learnt my way around jwm and feel quite comfortable with its settings, and I'm definitely not much of a theme switcher (standard 214X GTK-theme + gradient gray jwm-theme for visibility).
Does this sound a tad bit negative? It's not intended to, I did welcome BK's experiment with openbox in Q1.00, I found it amusing to try out the various WMs that came up to discussion in gposil's dpup thread (pekwm was one of them, I believe). I do come back to the jwm/Rox combo (although, I use xfe as much as I use Rox as file manager), perhaps mostly for familiarity...
Cheers /
MHHP
[color=green]Celeron 2.8 GHz, 1 GB, i82845, many ptns, modes 12, 13
Dual Xeon 3.2 GHz, 1 GB, nvidia quadro nvs 285[/color]
Slackos & 214X, ... and Q6xx
[color=darkred]Nämen, vaf....[/color] [color=green]ln -s /dev/null MHHP[/color]
Dual Xeon 3.2 GHz, 1 GB, nvidia quadro nvs 285[/color]
Slackos & 214X, ... and Q6xx
[color=darkred]Nämen, vaf....[/color] [color=green]ln -s /dev/null MHHP[/color]
- ttuuxxx
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Jwm still works, just exit X server to command prompt and type startx jwmMinHundHettePerro wrote:MinHundHettePerro wrote: First impressions after settling my itch for 3 DTs:
there's a lot of jwm stuff left; in the desktop menu, control panel...
Cheers /
MHHP
then open a terminal when jwm appears and type killall xfce4-panel
I might make a switcher for jwm and xfce/metacity like I made for 4.2 with jwm/icewm that worked nicely
like everything else it takes a bit of time to get used to newer WM combo's.
ttuuxxx
http://audio.online-convert.com/ <-- excellent site
http://samples.mplayerhq.hu/A-codecs/ <-- Codec Test Files
http://html5games.com/ <-- excellent HTML5 games :)
http://samples.mplayerhq.hu/A-codecs/ <-- Codec Test Files
http://html5games.com/ <-- excellent HTML5 games :)
- MinHundHettePerro
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Good, thanks . Don't know why I jumped to the conclusion that the metacity/xfce-panel combo replaced jwm rather than merely was provided in addition to jwm ...ttuuxxx wrote:Jwm still works, just exit X server to command prompt and type startx jwm...
Knowing jwm is still there makes it easier to shift to top-3 from RC5, having a well-known fallback, should I fail to set the new wm/panel combo up .
Cheers /
MHHP
[color=green]Celeron 2.8 GHz, 1 GB, i82845, many ptns, modes 12, 13
Dual Xeon 3.2 GHz, 1 GB, nvidia quadro nvs 285[/color]
Slackos & 214X, ... and Q6xx
[color=darkred]Nämen, vaf....[/color] [color=green]ln -s /dev/null MHHP[/color]
Dual Xeon 3.2 GHz, 1 GB, nvidia quadro nvs 285[/color]
Slackos & 214X, ... and Q6xx
[color=darkred]Nämen, vaf....[/color] [color=green]ln -s /dev/null MHHP[/color]
Firefox settings not saved
Hello All,
Been running a frugal install of top-3 for a few days. Very nice, but as the title says, Firefox refuses to save any settings. Actually, with the standard 214X I have that problem with Geany for some reason.
Also, after a while, I sometimes lose the wifi connection, and if I open up the network manager, the saved profile has disappeared. It is there if I reboot though....
The only clue is that on both, when I shutdown / reboot, this message appears:
¨tail: cannot open ´+2´ file or directory cannot be found¨ (or words to that effect)
On the original 214X I reinstalled and used a new savefile, but the problem reappeared.
Been running a frugal install of top-3 for a few days. Very nice, but as the title says, Firefox refuses to save any settings. Actually, with the standard 214X I have that problem with Geany for some reason.
Also, after a while, I sometimes lose the wifi connection, and if I open up the network manager, the saved profile has disappeared. It is there if I reboot though....
The only clue is that on both, when I shutdown / reboot, this message appears:
¨tail: cannot open ´+2´ file or directory cannot be found¨ (or words to that effect)
On the original 214X I reinstalled and used a new savefile, but the problem reappeared.
re: Firefox settings not saved
¨tail: cannot open ´+2´ file or directory cannot be found¨ (or words to that effect)
I had the exact same problem, for a while, then fixed my frugal install by editing menu.lst according to clarf's instructions on previous page. Now it works. Also, the .gconf directory was acting the same way as the .mozilla directory.
Seems fine now. I had manually edited group gshadow passwd and shadow, so I thought I screwed something up - not sure.
It's all working great now.
I had the exact same problem, for a while, then fixed my frugal install by editing menu.lst according to clarf's instructions on previous page. Now it works. Also, the .gconf directory was acting the same way as the .mozilla directory.
Seems fine now. I had manually edited group gshadow passwd and shadow, so I thought I screwed something up - not sure.
It's all working great now.