Puppy Squeeze 009 Development

[Puppyt]

FWIW guys, I will be back soon, I've had some pretty serious personal issues to resolve, thankfully nearly resolved.

I'll be back.........

WHOOOO HOOOOO!

Big send-out from Helidon Spa to Mr. Dalveen.


By the way, Iguleder - you so rock.


Puppy Linux. Man, its organic

[01micko]

FWIW guys, I will be back soon, I've had some pretty serious personal issues to resolve, thankfully nearly resolved.

I'll be back.........

WHOOOO HOOOOO!

Big send-out from Helidon Spa to Mr. Dalveen.


By the way, Iguleder - you so rock.


Puppy Linux. Man, its organic

hehe... gposil has slipped further down the track to Stanthorpe as far as I am aware.. or is that up the slope?

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Iguleder,

Take care young man, and kde/dpup/puppy/calf is hardly as important as what you are about to partake.

Cheers

[Puppyt]

I belong to the Jewish nation, but I also belong to the human race. My brothers and sisters across the cursed wall also have feelings, dreams and human rights.

I met a great trio of Israelis in Sri Lanka just after their compulsory military service, late 2001. Shared many a long, happy beer with them over several nights as they talked around (not about) the more harrowing episodes of their service. I hope that - as they joked, the most serious action you'll see is Shooting the Moon with that lethal Australian invention, the Tim Tam.

You keep your head down, and your aspirations high.



"This Puppy's not just for Christmas.___________________________________Or Hanukkah."

[Iguleder]

Thank you, guys

I'm waiting for Barry to release a new Wary, I think it's time to make a 010, no matter how stable it is. The next Debian is shaping up and the same goes for Wary.

While I wait I work with Debian Live, I'm trying to make a Debian livecd with Trinity - a replica of the Debian Lenny KDE livecd (which has 3.5.10), but from Squeeze packages and Trinity.

I want to do an experiment - Debian and Ubuntu use squashfs for the actual distro in their livecds ... what if I build the main SFS with Debian's tools (i.e a pure Debian system with APT and everything)? This could be the answer to the disadvantages of using one package manager (PPM) to install an alien package format (deb) on another distro (Puppy).

[tubeguy]

I want to do an experiment - Debian and Ubuntu use squashfs for the actual distro in their livecds ... what if I build the main SFS with Debian's tools (i.e a pure Debian system with APT and everything)? This could be the answer to the disadvantages of using one package manager (PPM) to install an alien package format (deb) on another distro (Puppy).

I'd love to see that...

[ajlec2000]

Iguleder,
Keep your head down. We need you back.

[Brown Mouse]

Just a couple of words to wish Iguleder all the very best for the coming future.
Thanks so much for all the hard graft that you have put in,you have given us some truly outstanding and fun Pupps.
Take care out there and get back safely,we shall all miss you friend.

[nooby]

My Squeesze Dpup does not remember Swedish keyboard but remember all else.

What can I do about it?

another thing that would be cool to be able to fix.

When I look at a picture then it adjust the size of the F11 full screen to the smaller screen when there are two screens attached like when I use Acer D250 with its 10" size screen so it adjust to that one instead of the bigger 17" I use.

How does one tell the programs to not care about the smaller screen?

[nooby]

Dpup seems to have some kind of screensaver or power management.

If I look at TV and don't touch mouse then it suddenly shut down teh screen.

that doesn't happen on the other puppies. How do I shut this feature off?

[edoc]

I was once told to use "acpi=noirq" in the kernel line of GRUB.

No idea if it will help but shouldn't hurt to try!

[nooby]

Thanks,

I have decided to use Fluppy on my Netbook instead.

[Karl Godt]

Dpup seems to have some kind of screensaver or power management.

Menu > Desktop > Desktop Settings > Pupx X > 3.TAB 'Screensaver'

or `pupx` from console

[nooby]

thanks

May I kindly ask also about the feature that when I use a very small Netbook like Acer D250 with a 10" screen together with a second big screen then it has two resolutions but prefer to adjust only to the smaller screen as if they think the bigger screen wants to emulate the smaller one so it does not shw F11 the full screen, it pretend to be the small screen in bigger version so it leave say one forth of the lower part emty instead of filling it all up.

That is not how puppy Luci and Puppeee and Fluppy treat this scenario with two screens.

what to do about it?

[Iguleder]

As you can see, I'm very busy these days. Today I'm home and I have lots of free time.

I'm working on a new 010, this time it has even more packages from Debian plus some unneeded packages removed. Other important changes are Debian's Iceweasel instead of Seamonkey (a rebranded Firefox, it's very very very stable), the new ffmpeg SVN build from Debian Multimedia and some extra libraries I missed. I made Debian Multimedia appear before the Debian repo in PPM and Woof, to force the use of its newer multimedia packages.

My goals are better multimedia experience, more Debian packages and less bloat. I want to build this thing, then examine dependencies to see where I can trim it.

I also want to do another interesting experiment (in addition to the trinitypup experiment) - build a Puppy Squeeze from Debian Sid. The Ubuntu guys do that, I think it could be very interesting

[Karl Godt]

And for if it really matters :

Iguleder !

1. : I had a difficult childhood with an angry mother that hated her husband and everything that has to do with him. He was a player that also spend a lot at the stockmarked and lost a lot. He was also lying to everyone, his family included. This forced my two brothers to become left-winged and my youngest brother that was running around with a 'palastine towel around his neck ( keffiyeh ) even when there had been these mortar attacks mainly from the Gaza area once called me "nazi".
2. : We grew up in a relatively peaceful smalltown with the only danger of violent german schoolmates.
3. : I had chosen to serve "civil" duty in several hospitals instead of military service.
4. : In Germany and France there is the tradition of traveling yourneymen ( also Belgium and Scandinavia ) and especially the german traveling craftsmen are dressed in an old fashioned way that resembles Hasidim/Chasidim or amish people. I had been living that way and unfortunately a tyrk or arab had been beating me to hospital and I think for this.
5. : I avoid people with mediteranian colored skin since then.
6. : I live now I a ghetto with a lot of "russian germans" and arabs. And with the young people of them I had several difficult situations : for example they started to talk to me, why I would steal their eals ?
7. : Today I would never let myself taken away the gun !
8. : Some germans say "Hitler was good" : For himself I would agree; also until 1938 when he got revenge for his bad time in Vienna.
9. : To me Hitler wasn't good and the politics from right and left that changed the laws after 1945 had been also no good.
10. : The rich ones always had a better chance of survival than the poor ones.
11. : I'll have to stay neutral but my evaluation is that you get no real difficult situation; and if so : don't care about journalists because they are the ones that dig out sad old times!
12. : Air Raid Attack of Busher ? The distance is different than Baghdad. When the americans have left Iraq maybe some F-15 would launch long distance missiles from Jordan or Iraq airspace.
13. : Why would Iran Shiits sacrifice Palestinian Sunnits ?
14. : If so, there are enough rich palestinians somewhere to return....
15. : There are some men that had own children like Saddam Hussein behaving like Hitler, who had none !
16. : It is somehow many times like "you will eat the bones of your children" than "honour parents and people with grey or white hair".

17. : Still good luck !

[Iguleder]

More cool stuff!
- Transmission, xpad, gtkam, fotoxx, lxtask, lxrandr, gcalctool (...) are now Debian packages. I made templates for all of them to make things easier and future-proof.
- Bluefish replaces Geany
- GPicView replaces Viewnior (since Debian doesn't have the latter)
- Simple Scan replaces xsane
- .torrent files are now opened by Transmission (had this in 008 I think, somehow it wasn't present in the new Transmission PET in 009)
- Many small fixes and improvements to package templates

Things I still need to do:
- Build an ISO with the kernel from the latest testing build and test it
- Make sure menu entries are correct
- Add more icons to the Trinity icon set and maybe make another one with GNOME icons instead of KDE 3.x icons
- Compile a new kernel

EDIT: even more stuff -
- Abiword from Debian with an improved template
- gnash instead of Flash, should be way smaller and provide hardware acceleration (while Flash doesn't)
- GNU Paint replaces rgbPaint

EDIT 2: amazing, the ISO size went down by 7 MB.

EDIT 3: even more goodies:
- More PET packages replaced with Debian packages - xchat, HomeBank (with ofx support!), luvcview, Abiword ...
- gtkhash replaces ghasher (mhash is included anyway, and Debian doesn't have ghasher)
- Just found out, the Debian guys also have their own rebranded Seamonkey and it's 2.0.10, so it replaces Iceweasel
- gTodo and the Iceape address book replace Osmo

[maxpro4u]

I avoid people with mediteranian colored skin since then.

i am sorry to hear you were attacked, not all "tanned" people are like them.

my father's family left nazi germany in the spring of 1939 before the "final solution".

[Iguleder]

My grandpa's uncle and all his family were murdered by the a nazi officer. Their house was burnt.

[Iguleder]

If you enjoyed Puppy Squeeze, here comes the next-gen dpup! Meet Puppy Sid 001!

It looks identical to the last testing builds. Some packages are newer but the choice of applications is different and it is made from much more Debian packages. The browser is Iceweasel (Firefox), Sylpheed is the mail client, Alsaplayer is the music player, gToDo replaces Osmo, GNU Paint replaces rgbPaint, gRun replaces gexec, GtkHash replaces gHasher ... the list is very long. In terms of size, it's much smaller than previous testing builds, because Flash is out (there's a built-in installer) and because Iceweasel and Sylpheed are much smaller than Iceape (Seamonkey). It has the same kernel from the last testing build, 2.6.32.25 with BFS.

The bottom line - better hardware support, better multimedia, better graphics support, slightly newer packages. And a cooler name!

The transition from the console to X seems smoother on my Eee, just tell me what you think. X packages should be newer and the whole thing should be more Debian-compatible then previous testing builds. It's fully "backwards-compatible" with Debian Squeeze in Woof, since package names are identical. You can even take the package list and all the Woof files used to build this one to assemble an identical Puppy, built from Debian Squeeze or even Ubuntu with some package renaming work.

It's alpha quality, don't expect much. It's very solid for an alpha (:lol:) because the latest testing builds of Squeeze are very polished. So far only Gnumeric seems severely messed up and I would appreciate your help. It's messed up with Squeeze packages too.

You can get it here (if md5sums.txt is there, it means I'm done uploading and you can grab your copy while it's hot). No deltas this time, since their size is almost the size of an average Puppy, makes no sense

EDIT: forgot to mention, it is built from Debian Sid (the unstable branch, which is less table than "testing" but more stable than average desktop distros).

[tubeguy]

Sid?