Grub4DosConfig
Edit I tried a third usb mem stick and that failed too.
should the three files always be within a subdir on the memstick?
I try again moving them and start all over with that one.
my older text.
This is very embarrassing. I did my best but failed with two memsticks.
It is much more difficult than one first think.
One has to have the proper usb memory.
I've tested now with both Transcend 1GB and that one failed to boot after following Shinobar instructions.
Then I took a SanCruzer 1GB and that one failed too. it even ended up with two partitions due to me got recommended by the help text to try another installer too.
Now to rescue these two memsticks I need to format them but fail to know how to do such thing.
I need to start all over with these two mem sticks and
prepare them so they have a reasonable chance to succeed.
How does one format them and what format is best to use for rescue type purpose? What program is most easy for a complete newbie to follow. I tested gparted and that one was too difficult. It did not explain how one make one partion of two.
should the three files always be within a subdir on the memstick?
I try again moving them and start all over with that one.
my older text.
This is very embarrassing. I did my best but failed with two memsticks.
It is much more difficult than one first think.
One has to have the proper usb memory.
I've tested now with both Transcend 1GB and that one failed to boot after following Shinobar instructions.
Then I took a SanCruzer 1GB and that one failed too. it even ended up with two partitions due to me got recommended by the help text to try another installer too.
Now to rescue these two memsticks I need to format them but fail to know how to do such thing.
I need to start all over with these two mem sticks and
prepare them so they have a reasonable chance to succeed.
How does one format them and what format is best to use for rescue type purpose? What program is most easy for a complete newbie to follow. I tested gparted and that one was too difficult. It did not explain how one make one partion of two.
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not an ideal solution though
not an ideal solution though
usb mem stick
Thanks for trying.nooby wrote:Edit I tried a third usb mem stick and that failed too.
Are you sure the BIOS is set to boot up the usb?
To format the usb stick ready, i usually use the gparted:
Delete all partitions on the usb mem,
create new partition table (Device >> Create Partition Table) ,
then create fat32 partition. (any of ntfs/fat*/ext* works)
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Finally I made it. Took many many retry and reboot and three memsticks to test on.
But maybe me can do it now but will most likely ahve forgotten how to do it next mornign and I have not the patience to write down how I did it at all.
I barely remember now despite it has gone only some 5 minutes after first success.
I am booted on a 1GB San Cruzer mem stick and have formatted it to F32 and set boot flag and have a sub dir that says luci236 and now will see if it create a pupsave and if that one allow me to reboot using this usb pin.
Edit
Thanks Shinibar for kind words.
Not sure what went wrong either. It is that Nooby guy that don't behave as everybody expect of a typical newbie. Nooby is more like a perennial or persistent noob type of a newbie. Somebody that is computer challenged but love to try anyway since the first computer was affordable.
Edit
Hahah new things to learn.
copying something from HDD to usb flash ends up here
file:///initrd/mnt/dev_save/bkmrk.html
I had no idea that is the place for it.
But maybe me can do it now but will most likely ahve forgotten how to do it next mornign and I have not the patience to write down how I did it at all.
I barely remember now despite it has gone only some 5 minutes after first success.
I am booted on a 1GB San Cruzer mem stick and have formatted it to F32 and set boot flag and have a sub dir that says luci236 and now will see if it create a pupsave and if that one allow me to reboot using this usb pin.
Edit
Thanks Shinibar for kind words.
Not sure what went wrong either. It is that Nooby guy that don't behave as everybody expect of a typical newbie. Nooby is more like a perennial or persistent noob type of a newbie. Somebody that is computer challenged but love to try anyway since the first computer was affordable.
Edit
Hahah new things to learn.
copying something from HDD to usb flash ends up here
file:///initrd/mnt/dev_save/bkmrk.html
I had no idea that is the place for it.
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CONGRAT
I am not sure what was wrong but...nooby wrote:Finally I made it. Took many many retry and reboot and three memsticks to test on.
CONGRAT
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Thanks as I wrote in the edit above your friendly Congrats.
Should I really try to skip the jolicloud wubi thing and use your program to restructure the HDD?
In what way can this "rescue" usb be a rescue if I fail to get the HDD booting after using your program?
I will now reboot several times to be able to trust that it does not screw up like on the hdd.
But now is the big question. Knowing how bad I am on doing things.Not sure what went wrong either. It is that Nooby guy that don't behave as everybody expect of a typical newbie. Nooby is more like a perennial or persistent noob type of a newbie. Somebody that is computer challenged but love to try anyway since the first computer was affordable.
Should I really try to skip the jolicloud wubi thing and use your program to restructure the HDD?
In what way can this "rescue" usb be a rescue if I fail to get the HDD booting after using your program?
I will now reboot several times to be able to trust that it does not screw up like on the hdd.
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not an ideal solution though
A rescue
Assume you can boot up with the USB made by the Grub4DosConfig.nooby wrote:In what way can this "rescue" usb be a rescue if I fail to get the HDD booting after using your program?
How is the boot menu?
If you marked ON the 'Search within only this drive', the list of the boot menu contains:
- Puppy in the USB
- (3)Windows
- Find Grub menu on HDD
- Find Grub2
It will be enough, but you are encouraged to make the USB with OFF the 'Search within only this drive' checkbox on the Grub4DosConfig.
Just select the target drive to the USB device on the first Grub4DosConfig dialog.
Leave all the checkboxes OFF(default). Press OK for all dialog.
Then the Grub4DosConfig search all over your PC and detects OS's in it.
The boot menu shall be more than the list above.
The USB memory stick made such hopefully can boot up any of OS listed up.
If it can, it can do the same even if you loose the MBR on the HDD.
Let me know what OS detected or not.
Let me know what OS succeed to boot up or failed.
Your report must brush up next version of the Grub4DosConfig.
Thanks for the co-operation.
Last edited by shinobar on Thu 11 Nov 2010, 16:36, edited 1 time in total.
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Edit. First failure to boot even with teh rescue usb so it seem it has nothing to do with which kind of grub I use. So that was sad. I had hoped that it was due to me have older grub.
Shinobar Thanks indeed for your patience. .
Yes now I have two rescue usb that both can do internet and one are special made to rescue the acer D250 because it can boot both the puppy on the usb but also boot any of the puppy on the hdd.
But I have managed to boot win7 on any of them yet.
I need to change the menu.lst
It failed on the other usb with your code.
( which you warned about that one may need to change the menu.lst but I have no clue on what to change it too. )
I tried things but I had not enough knowledge so failed.
old text follows
I thought me was logical. I wanted it to be a generic rescue and that is why I did the search only on USB.
that way it does not include all on that particular computer because that would be of no help if I help my neighbor?
So should I make another one that is exclusively for rescueing the Acer?
And then not tick the search only this usb.
okay I try with another usb.
Sorry forgot to answer your question. When I start the program it do see all os on the hdd so that seem okay.
Edit after testing two usb with luci236.
I need to change the booting of windows.
Now it looks like this on the usb.
But on the older grup on hdd which do load the real Win 7.
There are three partitions on the win 7 hdd.
All of the many os are on sda3 which in meny is (hd0,2) first I guess are the recovery and the second are either a cab thing or the wubi looking like a partition maybe? ahve no idea
Any suggestion? now I go test to see if the second usb do boot up
Shinobar Thanks indeed for your patience. .
Yes now I have two rescue usb that both can do internet and one are special made to rescue the acer D250 because it can boot both the puppy on the usb but also boot any of the puppy on the hdd.
But I have managed to boot win7 on any of them yet.
I need to change the menu.lst
It failed on the other usb with your code.
( which you warned about that one may need to change the menu.lst but I have no clue on what to change it too. )
I tried things but I had not enough knowledge so failed.
old text follows
I thought me was logical. I wanted it to be a generic rescue and that is why I did the search only on USB.
that way it does not include all on that particular computer because that would be of no help if I help my neighbor?
So should I make another one that is exclusively for rescueing the Acer?
And then not tick the search only this usb.
okay I try with another usb.
Sorry forgot to answer your question. When I start the program it do see all os on the hdd so that seem okay.
Edit after testing two usb with luci236.
I need to change the booting of windows.
Now it looks like this on the usb.
but that load the recovery instead of the real win OS.# Windows
title Windows Vista/2008/7\nBoot up Windows Vista/2008/7 if installed
map (hd1) (hd0)
map (hd0) (hd1)
map --hook
find --set-root --ignore-floppies /bootmgr
chainloader /bootmgr
But on the older grup on hdd which do load the real Win 7.
So how does one change your menu entry so it comply with this.title Windows Vista (loader)
rootnoverify (hd0,0)
#savedefault
chainloader +1
# This entry automatically added by the Debian installer for a non-linux OS
# on /dev/sda2
title Windows Vista (loader)
rootnoverify (hd0,1)
chainloader +1
There are three partitions on the win 7 hdd.
All of the many os are on sda3 which in meny is (hd0,2) first I guess are the recovery and the second are either a cab thing or the wubi looking like a partition maybe? ahve no idea
Any suggestion? now I go test to see if the second usb do boot up
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not an ideal solution though
First failure to boot even with the rescue usb that have worked many times now
so it seem failure to boot has nothing to do with which kind of grub I use. So that was sad. I had hoped that it was due to me have older grub.
I am surprised that none relate to what I tell about where it does happen.
Regardless if I boot from the hdd or the usb with the 1.5 version of grub4dosconfig
it stop at first line and fifth dot before it should say Done in green.
So it usually do 7 dots and then say Done.
But some puppies only show three dots and say done and they work good too when they boot.
So what is it that goes on?
When I use debug then it says that it is after the b43-pci-bridge has loaded and four lines below that one.
So what is all that about. exact same place each time.
Am I the only one having these boot problems?
so it seem failure to boot has nothing to do with which kind of grub I use. So that was sad. I had hoped that it was due to me have older grub.
I am surprised that none relate to what I tell about where it does happen.
Regardless if I boot from the hdd or the usb with the 1.5 version of grub4dosconfig
it stop at first line and fifth dot before it should say Done in green.
So it usually do 7 dots and then say Done.
But some puppies only show three dots and say done and they work good too when they boot.
So what is it that goes on?
When I use debug then it says that it is after the b43-pci-bridge has loaded and four lines below that one.
So what is all that about. exact same place each time.
Am I the only one having these boot problems?
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not an ideal solution though
recovery win OS
Hum... I have never thought such a case.nooby wrote:I need to change the booting of windows.
Now it looks like this on the usb.
but that load the recovery instead of the real win OS.# Windows
title Windows Vista/2008/7\nBoot up Windows Vista/2008/7 if installed
map (hd1) (hd0)
map (hd0) (hd1)
map --hook
find --set-root --ignore-floppies /bootmgr
chainloader /bootmgr
Thank you for the nice report. I need to refine it for the such case.
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failure to boot
I cannot follow you nooby.nooby wrote:First failure to boot even with the rescue usb that have worked many times now
Does your rescue usb sometime works and sometime don't?
Does it show the boot menu(blue or cyan background)?
Is it the Luci-236 problem?
Do not use develop versions of Puppy.
Use your favorite Puppy but stable you think to make the rescue usb.
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Do not use develop versions of Puppy.
Ooops, I am that naive, I never even thought about it.
Which version of Luci do you see as a proven version then.
No the recoveery was a one time test to see if it could really rescue.
I always use exclusively puppy, quirky on Acer since luci fail to boot so many times.
Quirky boots 9 out of ten boots.
Lucy boots 2 times then fail 5 times then boot 1 time then fails 3 times then ...
Not reliable booting habit.
so which Luci is seen as stable for rescue?
Ooops, I am that naive, I never even thought about it.
Which version of Luci do you see as a proven version then.
No the recoveery was a one time test to see if it could really rescue.
I always use exclusively puppy, quirky on Acer since luci fail to boot so many times.
Quirky boots 9 out of ten boots.
Lucy boots 2 times then fail 5 times then boot 1 time then fails 3 times then ...
Not reliable booting habit.
so which Luci is seen as stable for rescue?
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not an ideal solution though
Stable Puppy
I do not call it stable if 1 out of ten fails.nooby wrote:Quirky boots 9 out of ten boots.
Lucy boots 2 times then fail 5 times then boot 1 time then fails 3 times
How about Puppy 4.x series?
You can install the grub4dos-0.4.4.v1.6.0.pet on any Puppy 4.x/5.x.
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Now that makes me even more confused. Sure Barry use the word Quirky to remind us that he test quirky ideas and that it is a test version for his recent ideas on how to make a puppy.
But Quirky did things me could not do in 4.3.1 so I preferred to use Quirky.
Then maybe me should use Puppeee on the Acer and puppy 431 on a general version of rescue?
But Quirky did things me could not do in 4.3.1 so I preferred to use Quirky.
Then maybe me should use Puppeee on the Acer and puppy 431 on a general version of rescue?
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not an ideal solution though
Quirky or Puppeee
If Quirky makes you content, use Quirky.nooby wrote:Quirky did things me could not do in 4.3.1 so I preferred to use Quirky.
Then maybe me should use Puppeee on the Acer and puppy 431 on a general version of rescue?
I do not use any of the ones if it fails to boot 1 out of ten.
The Puppeee is atractive for net books.
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I have three 1GB mem sticks so I decide to make
1. Fluppy 007 as a way to boot Acer D250 if the HDD fails in the future
I only need to change the boot code for it, So I will ask how to do this.
2.. Luci/Lupu 1GB or a 4GB memstick. to start modern computers
For to help neighbor if something happen to his computer.
3. Multiboot several frugal installs of Puppy different version on a 4GB
Good to have as a reserve.
4. Puppy 431to start old computers.
That way I feel more secure to always be able to boot.
Or else they just lay there to no usage. What a waist.
Thanks for your patience.
1. Fluppy 007 as a way to boot Acer D250 if the HDD fails in the future
I only need to change the boot code for it, So I will ask how to do this.
2.. Luci/Lupu 1GB or a 4GB memstick. to start modern computers
For to help neighbor if something happen to his computer.
3. Multiboot several frugal installs of Puppy different version on a 4GB
Good to have as a reserve.
4. Puppy 431to start old computers.
That way I feel more secure to always be able to boot.
Or else they just lay there to no usage. What a waist.
Thanks for your patience.
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not an ideal solution though
not an ideal solution though
Shinobar,
Thanks for your patience.
I have to ask further on the boot up of Netbooks like my Acer D250.
I fail to boot it using Grub4DosConfig
It booted the recover partition instead of the real Win7Starter partition.
Now it looks like this on the usb.
Quote:
# Windows
title Windows Vista/2008/7\nBoot up Windows Vista/2008/7 if installed
map (hd1) (hd0)
map (hd0) (hd1)
map --hook
find --set-root --ignore-floppies /bootmgr
chainloader /bootmgr
but that load the recovery instead of the real win OS.
But on the older grup on hdd which do load the real Win 7.
Quote:
title Windows Vista (loader)
rootnoverify (hd0,0)
#savedefault
chainloader +1
# This entry automatically added by the Debian installer for a non-linux OS
# on /dev/sda2
title Windows Vista (loader)
rootnoverify (hd0,1)
chainloader +1
So how does one change your menu entry so it comply with this.
There are three partitions on the win 7 hdd.
I go change the usb again now and try to start all over to see what it do this time.
Thanks for your patience.
I have to ask further on the boot up of Netbooks like my Acer D250.
I fail to boot it using Grub4DosConfig
It booted the recover partition instead of the real Win7Starter partition.
Now it looks like this on the usb.
Quote:
# Windows
title Windows Vista/2008/7\nBoot up Windows Vista/2008/7 if installed
map (hd1) (hd0)
map (hd0) (hd1)
map --hook
find --set-root --ignore-floppies /bootmgr
chainloader /bootmgr
but that load the recovery instead of the real win OS.
But on the older grup on hdd which do load the real Win 7.
Quote:
title Windows Vista (loader)
rootnoverify (hd0,0)
#savedefault
chainloader +1
# This entry automatically added by the Debian installer for a non-linux OS
# on /dev/sda2
title Windows Vista (loader)
rootnoverify (hd0,1)
chainloader +1
So how does one change your menu entry so it comply with this.
There are three partitions on the win 7 hdd.
I go change the usb again now and try to start all over to see what it do this time.
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not an ideal solution though
Dual Windows
menu.lst:
For Windows NT/2000/2003/Xp, 'ntldr' insyead of 'bootmgr':
Using grub4dosconfig v1.6.1 and later automatically makes these multiple Windows entries.
Add new entry:# Windows
title Windows Vista/2008/7\nBoot up Windows Vista/2008/7 if installed
map (hd1) (hd0)
map (hd0) (hd1)
map --hook
find --set-root --ignore-floppies /bootmgr
chainloader /bootmgr
EDIT:title Windows 7 on /dev/sda2\nBoot up Windows Vista/2008/7 if installed
map (hd1) (hd0)
map (hd0) (hd1)
map --hook
rootnoverify (hd0,1)
chainloader /bootmgr
For Windows NT/2000/2003/Xp, 'ntldr' insyead of 'bootmgr':
Or, simply:title Windows NT/2000/2003/Xp on /dev/sda2
map (hd1) (hd0)
map (hd0) (hd1)
map --hook
rootnoverify (hd0,1)
chainloader /ntldr
The 'map' lines are for USB devices. As for the internal HDD, simply:title Windows on /dev/sda2
map (hd1) (hd0)
map (hd0) (hd1)
map --hook
rootnoverify (hd0,1)
chainloader +1
Note (hd0,1) can be other numbers.title Windows on /dev/sda2
rootnoverify (hd0,1)
chainloader +1
Using grub4dosconfig v1.6.1 and later automatically makes these multiple Windows entries.
Last edited by shinobar on Thu 25 Nov 2010, 02:47, edited 3 times in total.
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Shinobar, you made my day. That worked flawlessly. I booted using the usb mem stick and walked all the way down to boot windows and it booted the usual screen me always get and I booted fluppy 007 from that one.
The boot being on that usb does that mean taht even if I ahve booted on the HDD it still need the usb to shut down? Or can one do as with a CD/DVD that one take out teh usb after boot?
So now knowing me can boot the using the usb if something happen to the HDD then I can
try your grub4dosconfig to change my hdd then.
Now it has the menu.lst deep down in jolicloud subdir on Home.
Where will your new menu.lst end up? on home under root? or in some subdir named grub4dosconfig?
And if it fails how do I restore so it boot as it do now from Hdd?
Which of the 4 choices should I tick. None?
Thanks indeed for all help with this.
The boot being on that usb does that mean taht even if I ahve booted on the HDD it still need the usb to shut down? Or can one do as with a CD/DVD that one take out teh usb after boot?
So now knowing me can boot the using the usb if something happen to the HDD then I can
try your grub4dosconfig to change my hdd then.
Now it has the menu.lst deep down in jolicloud subdir on Home.
Where will your new menu.lst end up? on home under root? or in some subdir named grub4dosconfig?
And if it fails how do I restore so it boot as it do now from Hdd?
Which of the 4 choices should I tick. None?
Thanks indeed for all help with this.
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not an ideal solution though
CONGRAT agin
If you boot up the OS inside the USB, you cannot remove it before shutdown.nooby wrote:The boot being on that usb does that mean that even if I have booted on the HDD it still need the usb to shut down? .
If you boot up any OS on HDD, you can remove the USB after boot.
The grub4dosconfige saves 2 files at the top layer of sda1, /mnt/sda1/grldr and /mnt/sda1/menu.lst.nooby wrote:Where will your new menu.lst end up? on home under root? or in some subdir named grub4dosconfig?
Remind you need to edit /mnt/sda1/menu.lst manually, add entry:
Code: Select all
title Windows 7 on /dev/sda2\nBoot up Windows Vista/2008/7 if installed
rootnoverify (hd0,1)
chainloader /bootmgr
You are better to keep the backup of the current menu.lst, maybe at /mnt/<somepartion>/boot/grub/menu.lst.nooby wrote:if it fails how do I restore so it boot as it do now from Hdd?
If you copy it to /mnt/sda1/menu.lst, you can see old boot menu.
On the first dialog of the grub4dosconfig?nooby wrote:Which of the 4 choices should I tick..
Usually all OFF for MBR.
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Thanks again,
we wrote at same time so I skipped the edit and ask here.
I want to take away the Jolicloud that created the dualboot.
Now that I ahve a booting usb stick I can use that one as you describe and it will be dual boot instead of tripple boot.
Seems fool proof as I get it. I just wonder how one tell jolicloud to remove itself safely. hmm
we wrote at same time so I skipped the edit and ask here.
I want to take away the Jolicloud that created the dualboot.
Now that I ahve a booting usb stick I can use that one as you describe and it will be dual boot instead of tripple boot.
Seems fool proof as I get it. I just wonder how one tell jolicloud to remove itself safely. hmm
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