Puppy 5.3
I assumed that once my questions were answered I would have no further need to post in this thread however I can not stand idly by and allow my words or intentions to be twisted in the way they are being twisted here.
Here is my vision of egalitarian leadership.
Here is what I said about The Future of Puppy Linux and why I suggested that the thread be closed.
Here is my vision of egalitarian leadership.
Here is what I said about The Future of Puppy Linux and why I suggested that the thread be closed.
i guess you folks dream that invites quality participationRetroTechGuy wrote:Has anyone told you that you cannot speak? I haven't seen it. I did see Puppite request a thread be shut down -- presumably to stop the criticism of his ideas...jonyo wrote:and nothing prevents me or others speaking our minds here,
The project manager is going to run the project the way he wants to run it.a do it my way or make your own mentality is absurd
ya sure let's put mooooor time and effort into who knows what and watch yet another rootfestRetroTechGuy wrote:I personally don't care what Distrowatch says about Puppy... Perhaps it's jealousy that they can't make their favorite OSes run as small and fast as Puppy...jonyo wrote:and quite frankly, i don't want to participate in yet another variant that becomes yet another rootfest at distrowatch
Again we note, there is nothing to prevent those who don't like running as root from using a different distro, or modifying an existing one to not run as root, for example:
http://puppylinuxnews.org/puplets/puppy421multiuseriso/
let's not worry about having something solid that works expect in some peoples' dreams and encourage more messes
you people must think users are idiots
and of course the most pathetic argument
heh use something else
duh no kidding
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And I note that your message seems to be "my way or quit"... (where the demand is for a democratically driven process, run by people who don't understand the OS, the development process, etc.).jonyo wrote:the message seems to be my way or make your ownRetroTechGuy wrote:Has anyone told you that you cannot speak? I haven't seen it.jonyo wrote:and nothing prevents me or others speaking our minds here,
is it or isn't it?
And BTW, it isn't "my way" as I am not a developer, but a simple user. However, I have and will put out suggestions which may or may not be taken.
But if my suggestions are not taken, I'm not planning to stamp my feet, hold my breath, or try to get a crusade to kill those who are actually running the project and doing the work. ...seemingly _unlike_ some others in this thread...
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i am a user who can chose not to participate or waste time in what is not to my liking or that i agree withRetroTechGuy wrote:
And I note that your message seems to be "my way or quit"... (where the demand is for a democratically driven process, run by people who don't understand the OS, the development process, etc.).
you see a demand i see a proposition that is playing out
and for the record i have had no personal contact with puppyite other than a pm was sent, to which i did not respond
he speaks for himself as do i
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That is correct.jonyo wrote:i am a user who can chose not to participate or waste time in what is not to my liking or that i agree withRetroTechGuy wrote:
And I note that your message seems to be "my way or quit"... (where the demand is for a democratically driven process, run by people who don't understand the OS, the development process, etc.).
And since you understand that, understand also that the developers and project leader are also free individuals who can choose not to participate or to not waste their time, if the project is not to their liking, or that they agree with.
You seemingly see the project this way from a personal perspective, but miss that the development team has all of the same rights, and choices.
You can join the team, under the leadership which has already been established. You can start your own team, with you as "field marshal". You can start your own team, with a oligarchy or democracy running it. Or you can choose not to participate. Many options for you.
But the free individuals, who are freely associating, to freely pursue their interests and hobbies in producing this next Puppy version, are not likely to take kindly to interlopers deciding that those interlopers should be giving the ORDERS, over the previously freely associating team.
No, I do not speak for Puppy Linux, nor the Spot development team, but I understand the personality type that results in that level of creativity. You can ask them yourselves, if you think it will gain you anything.
I'm afraid that I'm on the anarcho-libertarian side of the opinion scale, while you and Puppyite are seemingly on the totalitarian side...
What will you do if none will follow your call for a crusade?
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Well, why not start a group, and come up with requests and recommendations for the next version?jonyo wrote:and for the record, nothing new is going on here, this all played out years ago and was never fully resolved
at that time aj and others were at the forefront of having a say in developments here
Or better yet, start discussing the pros and cons for various ideas: http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic. ... 291#526291
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you folks do whatever you like, im just watching to see what happens and adding my 2c at this pointRetroTechGuy wrote:
And since you understand that, understand also that the developers and project leader are also free individuals who can choose not to participate or to not waste their time, if the project is not to their liking, or that they agree with.
You seemingly see the project this way from a personal perspective, but miss that the development team has all of the same rights, and choices.
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But you're interested enough to continue with this back-and-forth?...jonyo wrote:as a matter of fact that very thing happened in the past
frankly, i'm not that interested in puppy or where it might go
So what do you think about my idea to reduce actual RAM usage, via a split-personality .SFS system? Or the "Uber Installer" which helps newbies get the right OS, and scale of OS for their system?just depends what may develop
i certainly didn't like where it was in the past and dropped out
Perhaps the developers will reject these as too difficult. That is fine -- the "book-keeping" is probably not trivial, but probably tediously do-able. But the developers may not want to spend their time on such.
But perhaps such an idea will take root, and in either this release, or the next one, someone will say "hey, I know how to do that really easy!...".
Or perhaps they say "damn, that is really dumb!!"... They might even tell me why it is such a dumb idea...
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