Lucid Puppy 5.2.7 RC2

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Bert · #381 Post by **Bert** » Tue 12 Jul 2011, 15:58

You have to edit /usr/sbin/pfbpanel to achieve that. Section starts around line 1052 I think.

In my Geany, the help section starts on line 766.

playdayz · #382 Post by **playdayz** » Tue 12 Jul 2011, 16:19

Thank you Dave S and Bert.

bigpup · #383 Post by **bigpup** » Tue 12 Jul 2011, 16:44

Playdayz wrote:Did I ask this? What word would be better than 'setup' for the icon on the desktop that now starts PupControl?

PupControl

Control Center

Puppy Control

Puppy Command

Setup Control

playdayz · #384 Post by **playdayz** » Tue 12 Jul 2011, 16:52

Has rerwin been at work on this?

As a matter of fact, Yes, JonT

playdayz · #385 Post by **playdayz** » Tue 12 Jul 2011, 16:57

So Frisbee beta 2 seems to be a solution.

@playdayz, why not include it in further developments?

Jemimah tells me that they frisbee and network wizard/sns don't co-exist well--so when one installs the frisbee pet it makes some changes to make its own life easier. rerwin has made some changes to hardware detection and config that relate to network wizard infrastructure (as I understand it). Anyway, we will continue to suggest frisbee for those who have trouble--it is currently toward the top of the LupuNews Help tab.
http://diddywahdiddy.net/LupuNews/index4.html

DaveS · #386 Post by **DaveS** » Tue 12 Jul 2011, 17:20

playdayz wrote:Thank you Dave S and Bert.

Bert is correct. In the version shipping with 263 it is line 765.

jim3630 · #387 Post by **jim3630** » Tue 12 Jul 2011, 17:51

Puppeteer wrote:
jim3630 wrote: I have the same usb ar9170usb as back up had to boot it up to check and yes it's supported.

For some reason or other, my dongle isn't detected when I load the extra Atheros9 driver. It just says that no new interfaces were detected...

Maybe I just need to start over as I previously used a NIC which functioned, and still functions, fine when I use the Atheros5 driver (which I have kept available under WLAN0).

Regards

I thought you where using ar9710usb

"There's a known problem in recent kernels with the Atheros ath5k wifi driver. There's a patch which is claimed to fix the problem, from
https://patchwork.kernel.org/patch/119469"

tempestuous is your man in these matters. If you contact him in his thread he'll gladly help you.

http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=59000

playdayz · #388 Post by **playdayz** » Tue 12 Jul 2011, 18:22

More help for the impaired, svp.

Jesse's fix for the no hard drive usb boot problem mentions the "init script." That is not rc.sysinit, is it? I think I got it in Woof, but where do I check it after I have built the distro? Thanks once again.
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewto ... 524#536524
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BTW, We are getting very close to luci-264. Checking this is the last item on my list.

There is one more problem about the drive not being mounted in a full install--does anyone understand that--and best yet, have a fix?

Bert · #389 Post by **Bert** » Tue 12 Jul 2011, 19:06

playdayz wrote: Jesse's fix for the no hard drive usb boot problem mentions the "init script." That is not rc.sysinit, is it? I think I got it in Woof, but where do I check it after I have built the distro? Thanks once again.
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewto ... 524#536524

Playdayz, I I think I found it.
It is the initrd.gz that is in the iso.

To edit it, it has to be copied to a folder that also contains "editinit" a little script from MU.(attached)
After that, clicking the editinit executable, will open an editor and allow you to make your changes.

I needed this to make a usb key behave like a hard drive.
Hope what I wrote here is correct..

Jades · #390 Post by **Jades** » Tue 12 Jul 2011, 19:32

Fresh LiveCD install of Luci 263 on Merlin (the Pentium D machine). Sound worked straight away on the first pfix=ram boot with no repeat of the delays I was having with 260.

Usual config settings on the initial configuration dialogue. Quit SNS. Set up Wireless Networking (Netgear WN111v2 using Atheros AR9170 driver) via Network Wizard - WPA2 with full-length hidden SSID and full-length key. Installed Firefox 5 and Xorg High from QuickPet without problems. Rebooted and created 512MB ext2 lucisave in a subdirectory of the PC's 1.5TB NTFS drive.

Once it had booted I set up the DeskJet 720C using a PPD file. Installed pnm2ppa from PPM along with its horde of dependencies. Printing working fine.

Subsequent boots seem to have been fine, with no delays to initialisation of sound. In general, 263 seems quicker than Lupu 525.

I've noticed some of the bundled apps are old versions:-

mtPaint is still 3.33.59 - this release is apparently buggy and 3.33.67 has been out for a while.

Gparted - 0.8.1 is out now and I've used it extensively on the K6 machine on both Lupu 5.1.1 and 5.2.5 without problems. Can't remember the thread I got it from, annoyingly. Pet is called gparted-0.8.1.pet and there are DOC and NLS pets for it too.

Geany is 0.20 - 0.21 is out, think it may have been ported by ttuuxxx.

Quickpet needs to be updated to include the following packages:-

Pwidgets 2.3.5
Pidgin 2.9.0 (and docs and NLS)
Opera 11.50 (pet)
Up-to-date JRE (both pet and SFS)

That's all I can think of at the moment. All things considered it seems to be shaping up to be a pretty good release.

#391 Post by **BÃ©Ã¨m** » Tue 12 Jul 2011, 20:02

playdayz wrote:
So Frisbee beta 2 seems to be a solution.

@playdayz, why not include it in further developments?
Jemimah tells me that they frisbee and network wizard/sns don't co-exist well--so when one installs the frisbee pet it makes some changes to make its own life easier. rerwin has made some changes to hardware detection and config that relate to network wizard infrastructure (as I understand it). Anyway, we will continue to suggest frisbee for those who have trouble--it is currently toward the top of the LupuNews Help tab.
http://diddywahdiddy.net/LupuNews/index4.html

I have heard that before, therefor I avoid installing Frisbee.
But for Lucid I had no other choice.
I couldn't work with either SNS or the wizard and have a stable connection.
So what would be the solution without Frisbee in Lucid?
(BTW I installed spup 310. I have a stable connection with SNS)

pemasu · #392 Post by **pemasu** » Tue 12 Jul 2011, 20:14

I have had SNS and Frisbee together all the time in my builds.
There has been problems with net connections for some.

I tried to left SNS out but people were so accustomed to use it that it was better to put it back and face the problems.

Nowadays somehow the reports of missing net connection have been rare, but probably those people dont just post the failure. They just go on with next puplet.
Maybe it is just that newer kernels have better support for certain troublesome drivers. Ath5k and ath9k are one of those.

Official version is different thing. I agree with Playdayz that placing Frisbee to the repo and link in Quickpet to it is good solution.

bigpup · #393 Post by **bigpup** » Tue 12 Jul 2011, 20:36

Here is a different way to implement stay connected.
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewto ... 395#477395

pemasu · #394 Post by **pemasu** » Tue 12 Jul 2011, 21:03

Bigpup. That pet has stayconnected script which pings repeatedly to keep the connection persistent.

The version which is in Lucid Puppy has menu entry .desktop file and has also stayconnected wrapper script which have xmessage.
And it has samekind stayconnected scipt also which pings repeatedly.
So, no new wheels, and why to invernt when pinging some address is enough.

I used in mail server that trick with Redhat 6.0 in the year 2000 which had buggy net connection and that mailserver worked many years with that trick. I used cron to do ping every 30 seconds, it seemed to be enough.

playdayz · #395 Post by **playdayz** » Tue 12 Jul 2011, 21:14

mtPaint is still 3.33.59 - this release is apparently buggy and 3.33.67 has been out for a while.

Got it in 264.

Gparted - 0.8.1 is out now and I've used it extensively on the K6 machine on both Lupu 5.1.1 and 5.2.5 without problems. Can't remember the thread I got it from, annoyingly. Pet is called gparted-0.8.1.pet and there are DOC and NLS pets for it too.

Geany is 0.20 - 0.21 is out, think it may have been ported by ttuuxxx.

Wow, it was 0.20 just the other dya. Thanks.

pemasu · #396 Post by **pemasu** » Tue 12 Jul 2011, 21:29

Gparted-0.8.1. I have compiled them in my build, it is Lucid Puppy based build but not the same kernel. Someone posted a link to the Lucid 525 thread.

http://www.smokey01.com/pemasu/Pets/gparted-0.8.1.pet

NLS and DOC are in the same folder.

playdayz · #397 Post by **playdayz** » Tue 12 Jul 2011, 22:20

I have heard that before, therefor I avoid installing Frisbee.
But for Lucid I had no other choice.
I couldn't work with either SNS or the wizard and have a stable connection.
So what would be the solution without Frisbee in Lucid?

Sorry Béèm, I was not clear. When you install the Frisbee pet into Lucid, it sets things up for itself--so that is perfectly fine, as you know. What I gathered from jemimah is that it is a problem to install them both from scratch in the same distro. (The reason I asked her is because I was thinking of doing that.) But, pemasu seems to be doing all right with that.

playdayz · #398 Post by **playdayz** » Tue 12 Jul 2011, 22:22

Playdayz, I I think I found it.
It is the initrd.gz that is in the iso.

To edit it, it has to be copied to a folder that also contains "editinit" a little script from MU.(attached)
After that, clicking the editinit executable, will open an editor and allow you to make your changes.

This was a huge help Bert, saved me a bunch of time and probable frustration

I had the right place in Woof, but not the right time

It looks like we have the no hard drive usb booting in the initrd.gz--let's hope it works!

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How would people feel do you think if Lucid 5.2.6 would not load into ram on a 256MB computer? If say, we added pidgin and maybe one or two others for a 133-5MB iso? It would still install either frugal or full of course on a 256MB machine. Just asking. Thanks.

Jades · #399 Post by **Jades** » Tue 12 Jul 2011, 23:29

playdayz wrote:
mtPaint is still 3.33.59 - this release is apparently buggy and 3.33.67 has been out for a while.
Got it in 264.

Kewl!

playdayz wrote:
Geany is 0.20 - 0.21 is out, think it may have been ported by ttuuxxx.
Wow, it was 0.20 just the other dya. Thanks.

It was ttuuxxx - see http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewto ... 173#500173 for the post. IIRC, he'd submitted it just after the feature freeze for the release of Lupu 525 so you didn't include it. I haven't found any problems with it but I haven't even scratched the surface of what it can do so testing is recommended.

While we're discussing ttuuxxx versions, might be time to consider putting in his AbiWord 2.9.0 as it seems that there still haven't been any major problems reported. In any case, you've not put it in PPM yet for those who want to try it.

Thanks again, it seems that going i686 and above may be paying off in terms of performance. For the record, Luci 26x doesn't even boot on the K6.

playdayz · #400 Post by **playdayz** » Wed 13 Jul 2011, 00:02

It was ttuuxxx - see http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewto ... 173#500173 for the post. IIRC, he'd submitted it just after the feature freeze for the release of Lupu 525 so you didn't include it. I haven't found any problems with it but I haven't even scratched the surface of what it can do so testing is recommended.

The geany website today shows 0.20 as the latest.?

While we're discussing ttuuxxx versions, might be time to consider putting in his AbiWord 2.9.0 as it seems that there still haven't been any major problems reported. In any case, you've not put it in PPM yet for those who want to try it.

Ah, abiword 2.9.0 *is* in the puppy-lucid repo and has been for a while, *but* Puppy Package Manger doesn't show it because you already have an abiword installed. You can search for abiword and it will show it. kirk is not using 2.9.0 in fatdog because he says it crashes on docx files--and it is still the development version.

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The Menu Bug.

Can someone send me a picture of the menu bug in action and then fixed, so I can know if it is installed and working. Thank you.

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