The Linux desktop is dead. Long live the Linux desktop.

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#1 Post by **ttuuxxx** » Wed 21 Sep 2011, 17:26

OMG hey guys let her rip

This guy has no idea what small linux versions can do, and the following of this forum.
ttuuxxx
http://www.zdnet.com/blog/open-source/t ... ag=nl.e539

rokytnji · #2 Post by **rokytnji** » Wed 21 Sep 2011, 19:17

People Need Different are Varied and throughout the world. What one person thinks or region does not Apply to another person's or region's Need or point of view.

It's never going to catch up with Windows or Mac OS X in user popularity. It's never going to show up as a common option from mainstream vendors. And, You'll Never be Able to buy it at your local Best Buy or Other big box store.

I did not know there were Best buys through out the planet. See, one point of view from a narrow perspective. By the Way. I do not do Best Buy. So things like this I take with a grain of salt. : Role:

sc0ttman · #3 Post by **sc0ttman** » Wed 21 Sep 2011, 19:19

Also read the comments below - some real idiots there...

I keep hearing a lot of people who think Linux desktops are "dead" or "will never catch on" or "are too complicated" - which just makes me think, 'if you're too dumb to learn Linux, then by all means go pay hundreds for software and OSes... Then pay the same again to upgrade your hardware and OS, just a few years later.. then more 'planned obsolescence'..

darkcity · #4 Post by **darkcity** » Wed 21 Sep 2011, 19:42

promotion of linux is problem.

majorfoo · #5 Post by **majorfoo** » Wed 21 Sep 2011, 20:18

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It's never going to catch up with Windows or Mac OS X in user popularity. It's never going to show up as a common option from mainstream vendors. And, You'll Never be Able to buy it at your local Best Buy or Other big box store.

I went to Best Boy Web Site and did search for LInux
Interesting return - 26 entries for Microsoft Windows and MAC Software

Guess Best Buy is pointing the way to the other stuff '
I am a fairly new convert to Linux - mostly Puppy and very happy camper with my crossover.

majorfoo

Dewbie · #6 Post by **Dewbie** » Thu 22 Sep 2011, 06:44

In short, I know a thing or two about...

translation:
bring your shovels

john biles · #7 Post by **john biles** » Thu 22 Sep 2011, 12:59

The Linux Desktop is dead! Hooray!

I'm tired of trying to sell the Linux Desktop to those who don't want it.
I've bashed my head against the wall for too long.

My wife and 2 small daughters use Linux full time. While they have the option of using Puppy they mainly use Ubuntu 11.04 in classic gnome Desktop mode (Looks like Gnome 2 not Unity).

Those looking for something different will give Linux a chance, those who aren't never will.

faifpuhp · #8 Post by **faifpuhp** » Thu 22 Sep 2011, 16:01

Why would I try another flavor of operating system? Plain chocolate ice cream works for me, and that's what most people have.

Strawberry is dead! Stop dreaming anyone cares about it, plain chocolate is the flavor of the 21st century, get with it guys.

darkcity · #9 Post by **darkcity** » Thu 22 Sep 2011, 17:40

i've been bash-ing my head too

People volunteer to make things, but to they volunteer to hard sell things and bring legal cases against 'competitors'

starhawk · #10 Post by **starhawk** » Thu 22 Sep 2011, 22:56

I say, give us some time. Not everyone can mimic M$'s orbital-velocity rise to the top.

All things in their time.

faifpuhp · #11 Post by **faifpuhp** » Thu 22 Sep 2011, 23:10

starhawk wrote:Not everyone can mimic M$'s orbital-velocity rise to the top.

They didn't "rise," they stomped over the shoulders of (slightly) better-intentioned giants. Of course it is ultimately their karma to be stomped on, too. But by whom? It looks like Google will be too much like them to catch up for very long.

puppyluvr · #12 Post by **puppyluvr** » Thu 22 Sep 2011, 23:53

Hello,
The Linux Desktop isnt dead, just sick of people trying to make it look like windoze....

faifpuhp · #13 Post by **faifpuhp** » Fri 23 Sep 2011, 00:10

puppyluvr wrote: Hello,
The Linux Desktop isnt dead, just sick of people trying to make it look like windoze....

"I can't take him like that, it's against all regulations!"

"I'm getting better!"

"No you're not, you'll be stone dead in a moment..."

8-bit · #14 Post by **8-bit** » Sat 24 Sep 2011, 06:00

faifpuhp wrote:Why would I try another flavor of operating system? Plain chocolate ice cream works for me, and that's what most people have.

Strawberry is dead! Stop dreaming anyone cares about it, plain chocolate is the flavor of the 21st century, get with it guys.

And in the case of chocolate, stay away from the low fat and sugar free types. They could turn your stomach. I have found that a cheap chocolate brand will taste and satisfy better than a lot of the more spendy brands.

8-bit · #15 Post by **8-bit** » Sat 24 Sep 2011, 06:14

But even now, discounting Macpup, the user menu still looks a lot like it came from Win98!
What can we do to improve the looks of the Puppy menu?
Also, what do you think of the multi-column menu that has appeared.
In my case, it seems I have to search for the menu listing for an installed PET as I am never sure if it is in the main or a sub menu column.

Also, I have noticed that if you set up Puppy with low resolution screen settings, say 1024x768, and change to a higher resolution, some of the window boxes in applications become downright huge.
It almost takes a reinstall at the resolution you want to get things back to normal so you do not have window file save boxes and others that you cannot get to the buttons at the bottom of the window because they are off screen.
And I already know how to move windows that are partially off screen.

Also, when I have two rox windows open, how do I snap them into a side by side configuration without one overlapping the other or having to resize them manually?

darkcity · #16 Post by **darkcity** » Sat 24 Sep 2011, 10:55

windows looks like it does because it works for many

ms buys and steals ideas for the profit

open source steals to add to the commons

no need to be different just for the steak of it.

jockjunior · #17 Post by **jockjunior** » Sat 24 Sep 2011, 11:57

Chill guys and gals. WE know better than to worry about Windoze fanboys don't we?

They are the ones who are missing out

Bed and lie.

Bruce B · #18 Post by **Bruce B** » Sun 25 Sep 2011, 21:50

Not Linux Desktop! Rather the Desktop

Technology and consumer preferences have been changing. Consumers are spending computing dollars on smaller devices. Devices which don't qualify as desktop. However, the Desktop still lives.

People, myself included often speak of Linux as some all encompassing thing.

Actually Linux is one thing only, the kernel. This kernel is by intent of design extremely scalable.

Even our base and core utilities are not Linux. Our boot managers are not Linux. On and on of all the things which are not Linux.

For the most part we are using FOSS (Free Open Source Software).

FOSS is a proven powerful software development model. If anyone wants to make an argument that FOSS is dead, I'd say that is patently false.

Many, many times I've purchased proprietary software. Later the company pulls support and even the software. Marketing strategies or companies going defunct, etc.

Sometimes I feel frustrated when people put forth arguments such as "Windows vs. Linux"

Or frankly, questions about how to spread Puppy Linux.

Here is what I want to say: FOSS is not a business model. If it is true that FOSS really is not a business model, then please stop treating it as if it is.

Back to my point about my proprietary software purchases mentioned above. FOSS doesn't often pull software. If it does it may be somewhat ineffective because someone else may have copies of the software.

To the extent we have developed good desktop operating systems, we have that software. It won't be yanked away like Windows XP was.

Moreover, as much as I don't care for Gnome or KDE, the development continues. And as we all know we don't need that particular software to have fine desktops.

I suppose the future will show less demand for Desktop Computers. I don't think FOSS development has ceased or shown signs of ceasing.

How do we measure success?

If Linus and team developed an extremely good kernel, can we call that a success?

If Linux and team developed an extremely good kernel and only 5% of the world was using it, do we call it a failure?

Some might think success is in market share. Market share might be the percentage of users or maybe the percentage of the money from the market.

I fail to see anything in the goals, intent or design of FOSS that was designed to accomplish market share. Although, if the software is good, it would be rational to expect that it would achieve market share. Not because of the goal, rather because of logical effect of producing excellent software.

We have the software. We have more developers than Microsoft could dream of having. Our developers are often specialists working on projects which represent their interests, as opposed to the boss lady's interest.

FOSS is a winner and will continue regardless of hardware trends.

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The Linux desktop is dead. Long live the Linux desktop.

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