Next Puppy 5.0.2 29 September 2011

[Iguleder]

Make sure the Openbox binary doesn't segfault.

By the way - I'm writing build scripts for the latest Xfce 4.8.x and I also have a plan to try a bleedin' edge git checkout.

Xfce is by far my favorite under majro distros - I used it under Zenwalk, Arch, Ubuntu and many other distros back in my early Linux days. I still have sentiments for it ... so I want to see if I can make a < 120 MB puplet with it

EDIT: still compiling, but almost the whole thing is ready. Take a look at the numbers - very impressive!

40K garcon/garcon-0.1.9.pet
24K garcon/garcon_NLS-0.1.9.pet
36K garcon/garcon_DOC-0.1.9.pet
8.0K garcon/garcon_DEV-0.1.9.pet
4.0K gtk-xfce-engine/gtk-xfce-engine_DEV-2.9.0.pet
24K gtk-xfce-engine/gtk-xfce-engine-2.9.0.pet
100K libwnck/libwnck-2.30.7.pet
308K libwnck/libwnck_NLS-2.30.7.pet
12K libwnck/libwnck_DEV-2.30.7.pet
64K libwnck/libwnck_DOC-2.30.7.pet
8.0K libxfce4ui/libxfce4ui_DEV-4.8.0.pet
28K libxfce4ui/libxfce4ui_NLS-4.8.0.pet
32K libxfce4ui/libxfce4ui_DOC-4.8.0.pet
32K libxfce4ui/libxfce4ui-4.8.0.pet
24K libxfce4util/libxfce4util-4.8.2.pet
48K libxfce4util/libxfce4util_NLS-4.8.2.pet
32K libxfce4util/libxfce4util_DOC-4.8.2.pet
8.0K libxfce4util/libxfce4util_DEV-4.8.2.pet
332K xfce4-panel/xfce4-panel-4.8.6.pet
304K xfce4-panel/xfce4-panel_DOC-4.8.6.pet
16K xfce4-panel/xfce4-panel_DEV-4.8.6.pet
348K xfce4-panel/xfce4-panel_NLS-4.8.6.pet
60K xfconf/xfconf_NLS-4.8.0.pet
4.0K xfconf/xfconf_DEV-4.8.0.pet
24K xfconf/xfconf_DOC-4.8.0.pet
48K xfconf/xfconf-4.8.0.pet
292K Thunar/Thunar-1.3.0.pet
1.1M Thunar/Thunar_NLS-1.3.0.pet
1.9M Thunar/Thunar_DOC-1.3.0.pet
8.0K Thunar/Thunar_DEV-1.3.0.pet
240K xfce4-settings/xfce4-settings_NLS-4.9.0.pet
116K xfce4-settings/xfce4-settings-4.9.0.pet
456K xfce4-session/xfce4-session-4.8.2.pet
276K xfce4-session/xfce4-session_DOC-4.8.2.pet
4.0K xfce4-session/xfce4-session_DEV-4.8.2.pet
248K xfce4-session/xfce4-session_NLS-4.8.2.pet
548K xfwm4/xfwm4_DOC-4.8.2.pet
200K xfwm4/xfwm4_NLS-4.8.2.pet
288K xfwm4/xfwm4-4.8.2.pet
7.5M total

This means you can get a basic Xfce in 1.8 MB (no documentation, development packages and locales). Amazing! With the missing packages I assume it won't be more than 2.5 MB, which is still very small.

[deepsea]

Hi

I'm writing build scripts for the latest Xfce 4.8.x and I also have a plan to try a bleedin' edge git checkout......
Xfce is by far my favorite under majro distros .....

Iguleder thats sounds great.
Xfce4 is more appropriate for my woman and my children
So i can spare time to develop a xfce4.6.X pet (most done)


By the way testing the 29.09.2011 version
petget missed.

Code: Select all

/usr/local/petget/installpkg.sh: line 38: /etc/xdg/menus/hierarchy: No such file or directory
ls: cannot access /etc/xdg/templates: No such file or directory

Here a little preview of an xfce4 desktop on Next Puppy 5.0.2 29092011:

[pacer106]

Did some playing in Gimp today & came up with these. Thought you might like to use them for Next Puppy.

[oligin10]

Great looking artwork! I'm a fan of xfce, so that sounds good. Good luck, hope to try this out soon. Thanks, Rob

[pacer106]

Made a background for Next Pup.


Next Puppy by J. P. Stunna, on Flickr

[Iguleder]

Sorry to let you down, guys - it's totally messed up. Xfce 4.8 (unlike 4.6) is more modern and wants D-Bus so badly the settings manager won't work due to D-Bus related problems I don't understand.

Also, the menus are messed up and I have no idea how to make them work right.

And the wallpaper is lovely!

I think I'll try it with Openbox.

[Tman]

Iguleder,

This quote is from gray's Wary NOP thread.

As with previous NOPs the window manager is XFCE which replaces JWM. I have stuck with XFCE 4.6.2 as 4.8 is still flaky IMHO.

So maybe the lastest Xfce is not needed, but rather the latest stable version of it.

[Iguleder]

4.8.x is a stable version, but I don't know how good it is with Puppy. Anyway, I think it's a bad idea to stick with an older version, since one day it will no longer compile ... and it has many bugs that no one's going to fix for us.

I'm still doing the Openbox experiment - I was able to make smaller ISOs so far.

[stu90]

Openbox + mc + mplayer + feh = lightweight killer combo

[Iguleder]

I'm trying to build my first 13.37 spup at the moment.

There are three experiments I'd like to do:
- Openbox
- Trinity (the KDE 3.x fork) - I'd like to see if it's possible to build a lightweight KDE 3.x desktop based on this amazing project
- FVWM!

EDIT: I'm building an all-in-one build same as 29092011, but with Abiword, Gnumeric, mhWaveEdit, Osmo, Xpad, XChat and Geany

EDIT: its 101 MB, with all the above. This is amazing.

[Shep]

I find this thread compulsive reading, despite not understanding much. It reminds me of the time of gposil's frantic Dpup development 2 years ago, and I've been delighted that Iguleder has picked up the ball and is running with it.

Every time I scroll down through 'Derivatives' to find the Next Puppy thread I read it as "Dpup with Widow Maker" and reflect on the truth in that! Okay, I'm easily amused, but along with golfing widows, and rugby widows, judging by the productivity of some people here (not mentioning any names, of course), there must be quite a number of Puppy widows, too.

I'd just like them to know we appreciate their sacrifice.

[Iguleder]

It's fun, what can I say

I rebuilt the dpup base, now I'm rebuilding yesterday's testing build with the addition of GdMap and a small bug fix for the menu generator. Also, this time AbiWord's huge locales are trimmed too, so maybe we'll be able to stay below the 100 MB mark

By the way, 101 MB isn't that bad at all - Lucid is 128-129 MB without Xorg_High and a browser, which weight around 25-30 MB together in the case of Firefox. In fact, it's even smaller than Wary, which uses an older X to achieve its small size.

[Iguleder]

Still building ... here's a nice pie chart made in Gnumeric that shows each package's share of the total package size.

EDIT: I've got wbar down to a ~50 KB size and Openbox to around 185 KB. I'm trying to get tint2 to build - once I have it, I want to set up some minimalistic desktop that has a top panel with a window list and system tray and a dock at the bottom (wbar).

EDIT 2: it works! Here's a screeny of the WIP desktop. I want the next build to have this.

[Iguleder]

OK, time for some news!

I'm trying to accelerate dpup development even further.

At the moment, Woof does not handle multiple repositories. It just downloads all packages it sees that match a given package name. I'm working on a tool that makes Woof behave as expected: it just removes multiple entries of each package and keeps only the preferred one.

Also, I'm trying to write a tool that converts all Next Puppy's Debian base into PET packages, so it can be built just like Wary, which means Woof will be much faster now.

[superchook]

I haven't read all 31 pages of this thread but in case it has not been mentioned before there is a problem with the e3 editor in this puplet.
e3 segfaults when invoked as e3ne or e3pi. I'm not running Next Puppy at the moment so I cannot confirm the second case.

Trying to edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf during the setup process fails as the editor does not open the xorg.conf file. This may be related to the failure of the e3 editor if this is the editor being called.

[Iguleder]

It's a very old package that wasn't built on dpup. I think I'll rebuild it, thanks.

EDIT: I'm done implementing the most important feature of the next version - I added the Debian backports repository and added support for it in Woof. Instead of the old X (which was 7.5), Xorg 7.6 from Debian testing is backported.

Here are the new packages that will be used:

cmake_2.8.5-1~bpo60+1_i386.deb
cmake-data_2.8.5-1~bpo60+1_all.deb
hicolor-icon-theme_0.12-1_all.deb
libdrm2_2.4.26-1~bpo60+1_i386.deb
libdrm-dev_2.4.26-1~bpo60+1_i386.deb
libdrm-intel1_2.4.26-1~bpo60+1_i386.deb
libdrm-radeon1_2.4.26-1~bpo60+1_i386.deb
libgl1-mesa-dev_7.10.3-4~bpo60+1_i386.deb
libgl1-mesa-dri_7.10.3-4~bpo60+1_i386.deb
libgl1-mesa-glx_7.10.3-4~bpo60+1_i386.deb
libglu1-mesa_7.10.3-4~bpo60+1_i386.deb
libglu1-mesa-dev_7.10.3-4~bpo60+1_i386.deb
libsane_1.0.22-3~bpo60+1_i386.deb
libsane-dev_1.0.22-3~bpo60+1_i386.deb
libstartup-notification0_0.10-1_i386.deb
libstartup-notification0-dev_0.10-1_i386.deb
libxfont1_1.4.4-1~bpo60+1_i386.deb
libxfont-dev_1.4.4-1~bpo60+1_i386.deb
linux-libc-dev_2.6.39-3~bpo60+1_i386.deb
mesa-common-dev_7.10.3-4~bpo60+1_i386.deb
x11proto-core-dev_7.0.22-1~bpo60+1_all.deb
x11proto-xext-dev_7.2.0-3~bpo60+1_all.deb
xserver-xorg_7.6+8~bpo60+1_i386.deb
xserver-xorg-core_1.10.4-1~bpo60+1_i386.deb
xserver-xorg-dev_1.10.4-1~bpo60+1_i386.deb
xserver-xorg-input-all_7.6+8~bpo60+1_i386.deb
xserver-xorg-input-evdev_2.6.0-2~bpo60+1_i386.deb
xserver-xorg-input-evdev-dev_2.6.0-2~bpo60+1_all.deb
xserver-xorg-input-synaptics_1.4.1-1~bpo60+1_i386.deb
xserver-xorg-input-synaptics-dev_1.4.1-1~bpo60+1_all.deb
xserver-xorg-input-wacom_0.10.10+20110203-1~bpo60+1_i386.deb
xserver-xorg-video-all_7.6+8~bpo60+1_i386.deb
xserver-xorg-video-apm_1.2.3-2~bpo60+1_i386.deb
xserver-xorg-video-ark_0.7.3-2~bpo60+1_i386.deb
xserver-xorg-video-ati_6.14.2-1~bpo60+1_i386.deb
xserver-xorg-video-chips_1.2.4-1~bpo60+1_i386.deb
xserver-xorg-video-cirrus_1.3.2-4~bpo60+1_i386.deb
xserver-xorg-video-fbdev_0.4.2-4~bpo60+1_i386.deb
xserver-xorg-video-i128_1.3.4-2~bpo60+1_i386.deb
xserver-xorg-video-i740_1.3.2-4~bpo60+1_i386.deb
xserver-xorg-video-intel_2.15.0-3~bpo60+1_i386.deb
xserver-xorg-video-mach64_6.9.0-1~bpo60+1_i386.deb
xserver-xorg-video-mga_1.4.13.dfsg-3~bpo60+1_i386.deb
xserver-xorg-video-neomagic_1.2.5-2~bpo60+1_i386.deb
xserver-xorg-video-openchrome_0.2.904+svn920-1~bpo60+1_i386.deb
xserver-xorg-video-r128_6.8.1-5~bpo60+1_i386.deb
xserver-xorg-video-radeon_6.14.2-1~bpo60+1_i386.deb
xserver-xorg-video-rendition_4.2.4-2~bpo60+1_i386.deb
xserver-xorg-video-s3_0.6.3-4~bpo60+1_i386.deb
xserver-xorg-video-s3virge_1.10.4-4~bpo60+1_i386.deb
xserver-xorg-video-savage_2.3.2-3~bpo60+1_i386.deb
xserver-xorg-video-siliconmotion_1.7.5-1~bpo60+1_i386.deb
xserver-xorg-video-sis_0.10.3-3~bpo60+1_i386.deb
xserver-xorg-video-sisusb_0.9.4-2~bpo60+1_i386.deb
xserver-xorg-video-tdfx_1.4.3-4~bpo60+1_i386.deb
xserver-xorg-video-trident_1.3.4-2~bpo60+1_i386.deb
xserver-xorg-video-tseng_1.2.4-2~bpo60+1_i386.deb
xserver-xorg-video-vesa_2.3.0-7~bpo60+1_i386.deb
xserver-xorg-video-vmware_11.0.3-2~bpo60+1_i386.deb
xserver-xorg-video-voodoo_1.2.4-2~bpo60+1_i386.deb
xutils-dev_7.6+5~bpo60+1_i386.deb
yasm_1.1.0-1~bpo60+1_i386.deb

As you can see - it's cmake, X, SANE and yasm.

EDIT 2: e3 is written in Assembly, which isn't portable. I kicked it out in favor of the reliable and lovely nano.

[nooby]

Jay very good choice Shows how important it is to report even on such


minor things as one thing going wrong even if all other things just works.
Now that one got solved and Nano is a known such progr so that is cool.

Just me rambling. I love following your progress building this version.
Like being part in a Novel or book forming under ones eyes. Charming

[Iguleder]

Another progress report: I built a 103 MB flavor with everything (including office applications, Dia, etc') and E16.

Now I wrote a build script for Pidgin (which replaces XChat) and replaced the E16 desktop with the much smaller combination of Openbox, wbar and tint2, so I assume it won't be bigger than 105 MB

[pemasu]

Iguleder. Your next build sounds really promising. I will be amongst the testers and probable candidate for using your new specs as base for somewhat bigger puplet also.
Thanks of your continuing involvement.

[Iguleder]

There is a big project I'm working on at the moment - it's a Exprimo-style puplet (i.e full-featured and not minimalistic) that is about 105 MB

I'm doing the Woof build at the moment, once it's ready X needs some testing. An automated build of my new puplet will follow

EDIT: Openbox, tint2 and wbar, did I mention?