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[Aitch]

What I experienced was that it did not work on my machine so I made
a cheat version of the one that Bharat Balegere gave us.

nooby/notsonooby

Could you make a new thread explaining your cheat version?
If possible can you highlight the differences between his version and yours, and what you've learnt/understood to work and why

I have to admit, I've read what seem to be all threads relating to this topic....and yet you have grasped and appear to understand what you needed to do to get it to work on your PC, [I understand about OEM partitions as used by ACER/Compaq et al] ...whereas I fail miserably and get lost....I have used playdayz win32exe installer successfully, but that chainloads via winini, I believe.....but I don't know how to add/change puppy versions

A friend who is having difficulty with computers in general, but windoze in particular, has tried liveCD puppy and likes it, but I have no idea how to help him get multiple choices to boot, as he keeps changing his mind about features he wants/needs in different puppies....multiboot seems ideal for him to try....if I can understand how to/he can understand how to do it
[he's a bit computer illiterate, so I will probably have to try to show him...so 1st need to understand myself...]

thanks

Aitch

[nooby]

D4P knows incredibly more than I do and all my knowledge
is more by accident then due to me getting what I do at all.

He gave me the code and it failed to work and I felt so disappointed
but I did not want to give up on it so I started to delete part of the
code to see what error message that happen as a result.

And suddenly it booted and I barely remembered what I had edited
"live" on the line. One do "e" and that allow one to edit "live" while
the boot fails or works.

Later I thought I found wher ehe got his code. But it could be the
other guy that found it at D4P instead. So he maybe was first.

I have not asked him again about it. I guess he felt bad about me
not trusting him to be the originator of it.

We are all individuals and have very different approach to things.

Anyway. The booting here on the Netbook was accomplished first
using Ubuntu but in Jolicloud's version their Wubi install.
But later Shinobar helped me to get Grub4dosconfig going.

like this.


title debug loglevel=7 initcall_debug time apic=debug


# Windows

title Windows Vista/2008/7\nBoot up Windows Vista/2008/7 if installed
rootnoverify (hd0,1)
chainloader /bootmgr


# additionals

title Find Grub2\nBoot up grub2 if installed
find --set-root --ignore-floppies --ignore-cd /boot/grub/core.img
kernel /boot/grub/core.img

title Grub4Dos commandline\n(for experts only)
commandline

title Reboot computer
reboot

title Halt computer
halt

But I still feel unsure of if his version of grub4dosconfig is able
to make a functional backup of the MBR so I don't dare to recommend it.

I trust one should ask him in every individual case.

Just now I know too little but I have found a very interesting comment.

I will publish it in the security section too so it have it's own thread.

The reason the cheat code works can be a mistake in Xorg that them will correct in next update.

I have asked why the Ubuntu people have changed policy and none got what I talked about. Here maybe is the reason. Them did not know. Or
maybe I don't get what them talk about at all.
read here.

http://www.pacman.linuxd.org/

These days were discovered two big securitty issues in X.org
witch is common almost in all distributions witch are focused on
desktop usage.

User can set up permissions of any file or directory to "all read"
attributes, witch is a real issue.

So all users should upgrade to latest packages (our rc.updater will handle this it is not disabled.

But this is also wery important step in any other distribution,
so if you are affected you should upgrade at least xorg server and libXfont.
Author: tomo , one comment
2011-10-23

I have no idea if that explains why I can save things on the HDD.

I mean I have tried that since 2007 and every Ubuntu guru has told me
that them have set Ubuntu up to not allow such bad behavior.

Then suddenly without explanation the Ubuntu 11.10 accepted to save
to the NTFS hdd. A total No no just a few months ago.

So I trust them have don't a big mistake and either don't know about it
or them too embarrassed to admit it? Why else such a big change of policy? Not like Linux people at all to accept such bad behavior.

I mean them are super angry on us for being root.

Here I could save in Slitaz and not even being root or doing su or anything just by using the the ordinary boot like this


title SliTaz 3.0 frugal username=root psw=root
rootnoverify (hd0,2)
kernel /slitaz3boot/bzImage slitaz screen=1024x768x24
initrd /slitaz3boot/rootfs.gz

I simply know too little.
The only reason I can boot at all is that I search and search and test
and suddenly it works or I search for three years and it never work.
It is totally unpredictable. No system or knowledge I just fool around
until it works For the fun of being able to

Here is link to D4P description of his system but that one need one set up the computer with partitions in the way he has tested out so it is not easy to use for us who don't want to change the computer.
http://www.justlinux.com/forum/showthre ... did=147959

[jim3630]

Thanks Jim. I can add Illume OS to the Debian that refuse to
allow saving to the drive it booted from if one boot up as live
user frugal install on NTFS.

It did not help I was root either. The whole drive is set up as Read only
and there is no way to set it as rw.

nooby, sorry that's quite over my head. but reading along as you have an interesting topic here. thanks

[nooby]

Yes it is way over my head too.

No criticism to D4P without you I have had no idea one could
use Ubuntu and very many of it's derivates this easily.

And I am angry on myself not angry or disappointed with you.
You have made a tremendous contribution describing how one
can boot 145 distros the way you set it all up at your place.

I trust that if I do exactly as you suggest then it works for me too.

But I am a different person than you. As jim3630 indicate.

Him is not sure of if he gets what I write. I hope he takes a look
at the link I gave to your text.

I wish many would look here
http://www.justlinux.com/forum/showthre ... did=147959

And that many of you try things out and retell what happens when you
do it on your computer without rebuilding anything. Just adding the code
to the menu.lst and adding the files and iso from the Ubuntu
and when I edited what I thought was for USB and not for NTFS
then it booted for me on many but not all Ubuntu.

So we would need many experiences to learn from.
My machine is a Acer Netbook D250 with an Atom CPU so that
could be why it fails for me.
But the code I gave do work for me.


title Netrunner 2011 frugal iso boot of netrunner-3.2.iso
find --set-root --ignore-floppies --ignore-cd /netrunner-3.2.iso
kernel /netrunner/casper/vmlinuz rw file=/cdrom/preseed/netrunner.seed boot=casper iso-scan/filename=/netrunner-3.2.iso noeject noprompt quiet splash --
initrd /netrunner/casper/initrd.lz

[Colonel Panic]

I'm posting from the new Archbang release, 2011.11, which I downloaded yesterday. It's fast and works really well, but I still find the default themes much too dark. I also can't find any office apps such as Gnumeric and Abiword. Otherwise, it would definitely be a contender for my favourite live distro apart from Puppy.

At the very least, it's an easy route into Arch.

[nooby]

Did you make a CD/DVD/USB full install on a linux partition
or did you do a "Live" frugal iso install or a "Live" frugal install
on NTFS internal hdd?

[Colonel Panic]

No jnstall at all just yet; I'm booting it from the CD-R and running it live.

- CP

[jim3630]

I'm posting from the new Archbang release, 2011.11, which I downloaded yesterday. It's fast and works really well, but I still find the default themes much too dark. I also can't find any office apps such as Gnumeric and Abiword. Otherwise, it would definitely be a contender for my favourite live distro apart from Puppy.

At the very least, it's an easy route into Arch.

here you go
http://www.archlinux.org/packages/

---------
this looks pretty good
http://wiki.archbang.org/index.php?titl ... ng_Configs

[Colonel Panic]

Thanks. I've installed abiword and gnumeric (and a handful of other packages such as gkrellm and midnight commander) now.

For most people, especially ones with a bit of Linux experience, I think Archbang would fulfil their needs for a Linux distro. It's both fast and lightweight, and via the Arch repositories can access a large collection of apps which are all very up to date (this in particular impressed me).

It doesn't have Portabase, however (as both Puppy and Debian do), and I can't see any way of installing it in Arch or Archbang. Slackware has the same problem.

Best,

CP .

(A quick update: I've now managed to install Portabase in Archbang by converting the Portabase 2 pet to a tar.gz file. It would probably work for a Slackware distro as well).

[stu90]

Currently trying a live USB of Bodhi Linux - a ubuntu LTS based distro using 3.0.0.14 kernel - surprisingly it picked up my B43 wireless out of the box with NetworkManager (every other buntu distro i tried in the past failed at this)
The windows manager is Enlightenment, im not sure if i like it or not you see some real slick screen shots of it but there are settings for absolutely everything which can be a bit frustrating and overwhelming - it is however light weight using around 120mb of ram at idle - i imagine it would use a bit less for a normal HDD install.
There's not much installed applications wise (Midori browser, Leafpad text editor, PcmanFm file manager ) <-- and thats it ! so if you are looking for a complete distro this probably isn't for you - but if you like to have the freedom to install what you want then this is a plus - as there isn't much pre installed the .ISO is only around 350mb download.
Overall i give Boghi Linux a thumbs up - light weight in size and resources - and if you don't like Enlightenment then Bohdi linux will probably make a good starting point for installing some other windows manager like LXDE with out all the bloat of the official version of Lubuntu.

[Colonel Panic]

Another quick update. Apart from Puppy Classic, I'm just Just using ArchBang at the moment. I stopped being able to log in to Swift Linux (which I'd installed to my hard drive) for some reason, and without Swift there's not a lot of point keeping Mint Debian (since the Mint Grub installer won't pick up ArchBang on my drive, or vice versa, and I'm still figuring out how to work with Grub manually).

This reminds me of something; wasn't there an attempt recently to build Puppy out of Arch? If so, does anyone know what became of it?

[nooby]

There was such an attempt yes but
maybe it was too difficult to accomplish?

while I am at it. Archiso by Gedano is the only arch
that allow one to boot frugal install on NTFS?

I totally failed with ArchBang. It search something
but never find it.



title Archiso-live boots okay on frugal install but don't allow me to write to the partition it booted from
root (hd0,2)
kernel /archiso/boot/vmlinuz from=/dev/sda3/archiso rw elevator=deadline session=xfce nonfree=no
initrd /archiso/boot/initrd.img

But Godane then had a HDD crash and being a poor student
could not afford to buy a computer with similar specifications
and the one that was given to him by supporters of Archiso
that one had not enough specification to run well so he changed
from Arch to Slitaz and try to make Slitaz modular in same way
as his Archiso was modular???

But the embarrassing thing is that the official Slitaz 3 boot very
easily while Godane's Slitaz fails to boot using the frugal code
that I tried it with. So either that I miss a needed code or him
changed something that is needed to boot in fruga install on NTFS.

[stu90]

Juts an update to my previous post r.e. Bodhi Linux - well i went ahead and did a HDD install - all pretty much straight forward, uses what looks like the ubuntu installer, install time was about 5 minutes from a live USB - installed size on the HDD is 1.3gb - ram usage when installed around 90mb. Im really not sold on E17 so installed openbox + tint2 + mplayer ram usage 70mb

[WindUpToy]

Bodhi makes a great live CD, using Remastersys.
Using it now.
Boots in under 2min.
It only loads progs into RAM when needed.
Puppy 525 takes a full 4min.

[nooby]

Puppy 525 takes a full 4min. (to boot)

How do you boot it then? Mine boot within a minute not sure 45 or 35 seconds from power on to desktop usable. How can it take four minutes?

Oh you use an old version of Flash thumb memory and has a huge pupsave file?

I use Netrunner live when I want an ubuntu and booting it frugally like this

title Netrunner 2011 frugal iso boot of netrunner-3.2.iso
find --set-root --ignore-floppies --ignore-cd /netrunner-3.2.iso
kernel /netrunner/casper/vmlinuz rw file=/cdrom/preseed/netrunner.seed boot=casper iso-scan/filename=/netrunner-3.2.iso noeject noprompt quiet splash --
initrd /netrunner/casper/initrd.lz

I boot that on internal NTFS hdd same partition that have Windows on it.
Grub4dos code and it allow me to both read and write without being root or to do any sudo or su or any change of permissions whatsoever.

[James C]

I just timed booting into my Lucid 528 install on my old Athlon XP box....... it took a whole 30 seconds.From selection in Grub to a full,working desktop..... plenty quick for me.

[nooby]

James that seems very reasonable. 35 seconds seems statistically fair to guess most people boots.

So WindUpToy how have you set it all up? Full install on ext4 or somethign on USB?

But WindUpToy gets it most likely very right.
If one have a cheap 2 or 4 GB Flash memory of the older type.
I have several that are say 3 years old. I booted a lupu513
from one such the other day and it took many many minutes.
I did not expect it to take that long time so I did not look at the clock.

[nooby]

I tested one of those Ubuntu that is not FOSS because
these versions have already installed a lot of proprietary codex
and programs and so on that the standard Ubuntu tells you
to download on your own conscience to use.

But that makes it not practical if one boot frugally because
Ubuntu don't save on the NTFS drive so it does not remember
the changes one have made.

Now why would one want to do a frugal install of Super OS
or SuperX or Netrunner or Bodhi or Peppermint or any of all the others?

Because it is a very fast way to get to know them before one decide
on doing real installs of them.

title Super OS 2011 11.04 frugal iso boot of Super_OS_11.04_32_bits.iso
find --set-root --ignore-floppies --ignore-cd /Super_OS_11.04_32_bits.iso
kernel /superos/casper/vmlinuz rw file=/cdrom/preseed/ubuntu.seed boot=casper iso-scan/filename=/Super_OS_11.04_32_bits.iso noeject noprompt quiet splash --
initrd /superos/casper/initrd.lz

The boot code that I have described allow one to iso boot
and with the feature that one can do edit and almost anything
a nooby need to do with Puppy and without being root and not
having to learn Sudo or Su or Admin or any such. It just works.

[linuxbear]

I pretty much stopped distro hopping when I loaded Bodhi on my laptop.
As much as I am impressed with Puppy, I need to be able to install printer drivers for a Lexmark which are designed for 10.04. Also, it is nice to have a fully functional apt-get on the command line. The other issue I have always had with Puppy is a dislike for ROX.
E17/Thunar is a nicer mix in my mind. Bodhi stays small if one is carefull not to allow a full upgrade and the online instal option from the repos is very nice. As the puppy wends his way twords slackware, it might be that I will stay with a 'buntu spin, but I will be watching some of the debian based Pups to see if I can go back to Puppy.

[WindUpToy]

Bodhi makes a great live CD, using Remastersys.

and that is the topic of that post. I.E: live CD.

I would like to hear if anyone is able to boot a remastered Puppy 525 live CD that has only 3 extra installed progs, including Firefox, in under 4mins.

Asking questions about how I have it installed completely ignores the topic.

@linuxbear,
I know exactly how you feel, altho I use several "activity" setups of Puppy for different purposes, e.g: Publishing, GPS & Mapping, Testing & Building, etc, but for the NET I use a LIVE CD.

I hope that clears things up for those who didn't get it.

(a clue may have been got from the line under my location, on the left... Slick525DVD)