Firefox slow in Puppy 528 with 128 MB of RAM

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Firefox slow in Puppy 528 with 128 MB of RAM

#1 Post by Nepozvan »

I have Puppy 5.2.8,Firefox 3.6 and 128 MB of RAM.

And a big problems with using Firefox.I tried some later versions,but I think the situation is even worse. (i have only 2 or 3 add ons)

The computer is practically unusable while using Firefox and searching the Internet known to be much more complicated...

I tried SeaMonkey 2.x but it's the same shit. SM 1.x probably is the much more better,but that's so ugly browser...

Hot to get both,firefox and ram? :D
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#2 Post by Makoto »

Yes, Firefox tends to want to use a decent amount of RAM. Seamonkey 2, as well.

What kind of Puppy installation are you using - frugal, or full? Puppy will probably be taking a large amount of that 128MB of RAM, to begin with, not leaving too much for FF or SM to use.
A swap file or swap partition would help, somewhat, but you probably should consider adding more physical RAM, if possible.
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#3 Post by Nepozvan »

It's full installation and I have swap partition.

Adding more RAM is not possibly,cause it's SD RAM and I don't know where to find that :D
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#4 Post by glene77is »

Nepozvan wrote:It's full installation and I have swap partition.

Adding more RAM is not possibly,cause it's SD RAM and I don't know where to find that :D
I upgraded to FireFox 8 on several machines, and all started locking up during initial FireFox runs. So I tried the German browser "IRON" based on Chrome, and it worked fine. Just a suggestion. :) Glen
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#5 Post by arcanis »

Iron is good. I don't like it, but it's a matter of personal taste, so I can't say it's bad when I know it's good. Playdayz, who was the development lead on the Lucid project, said somewhere that Iron seemed to be the fastest, most efficient browser in his opinion.
However, I'm a Firefox person, and there's a fix for that, too. In most Linux distros, you would expect that you could just grab the latest Firefox from Mozilla, but in this case it wasn't quite ready for Puppy Prime Time.

Follow this link; it will take you to a repository with a .pet for FF current:
http://www.smokey01.com/Tman/apps/

This is Smokey01 repos, and the .pet was created by Tman. It solves the locking up problem in FF8. In many instances, Puppy needs a package specifically designed for it.

When you come to Linux, 'they' tell you, "Stick to the repositories." One of the very confusing things about Puppy is the sheer number of places user created packages are located around the web. I'm getting used to it, but I'm also creating a file with all the packages and links to where they are on one page. If it turns out to not offer any more convenience than BruceB's page, also found on Smokey01, then I probably won't upload it to the web. (see http://www.smokey01.com/bruceb/puppy.html#page_top )
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#6 Post by glene77is »

arcanis wrote:Iron is good. I don't like it, but it's a matter of personal taste, so I can't say it's bad when I know it's good.

Follow this link; it will take you to a repository with a .pet for FF current:
http://www.smokey01.com/Tman/apps/
arcanis,
Thanks for the 'honest' tip.
Will check out the FireFox .pet files.
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#7 Post by Nepozvan »

arcanis wrote:

Follow this link; it will take you to a repository with a .pet for FF current:
http://www.smokey01.com/Tman/apps/

This is Smokey01 repos, and the .pet was created by Tman. It solves the locking up problem in FF8. In many instances, Puppy needs a package specifically designed for it.
I tried this (FF 8.1 .pet), the situation is the same.

Iron is the next :)
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#8 Post by Makoto »

How large is your swap partition?

Are most of the pages you visit heavy on Javascript, Java, Flash, or other multimedia? Those can be demanding on RAM and resources as well.
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#9 Post by Nepozvan »

I tried the Iron and it's approximately the same.

Swap - 1gb.

Well,not the most but the biggest problems i have with pages that iclude flash or java,that's true...

I have Seamonkey 1.18 (ugly and borring) and on RAM graph the situation is similar like at FF,but it's much faster and usable...
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#10 Post by Makoto »

Seamonkey 1 uses less resources than the current versions of most of the browsers (including Seamonkey 2, which is more in line with Firefox, under the hood).

The Linux version of Flash itself isn't all that great, in my opinion, but you may still end up needing more physical RAM (as opposed to a swap partition), in general. :(
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#11 Post by glene77is »

Just a follow up.
Reloaded / installed Fox and it continued to auto upgrade towards 8.0.
At FoxFire 8.0, the program stalled, as if out-of-ram.
Had to manually force a power-down to kill the system.
Then reboot.

Have 3G SWAP, 1G RAM, 2.6MHz Pentium-4.
Five external USB HD for storage, and 40G internal HD.

Have installed Lupu 5.25 to 3 pendrives,
and also on the HardDrive alongside of M$ XP with grub4dos.
All installs are 'frugal'.
All methods work OK.

Commonly boot from a pendrive, w grub4dos.
Backup / restore is from an external USB HDD.
HDD or pendrive boot has same FireFox 8.0 problem.

So, Switched to IRON 10. Works OK.
Imported previous 'favorites, links' from FireFox.json.
Then Iron 'home page' was repointed
to a custom html page at /mnt/home/usr-share/BookMarks,
which serves as a links page for my standard iNet selections.

Works OK, and I went back to my business.

I had tried Dillo, Dooble, Midori, Seamonkey, etc,
settled on FireFox ( up to 7.0 , which then locks up with 8.0 ).
Notice:
There is an FireFox auto upgrade which occurrs under the "About" tab !

Have settled in with Iron 10 and it is OK.
Thanks for the discussion about alternatives.
Forum is very valuable for gaining alternative insights.
:)
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#12 Post by Nepozvan »

Well,is there any possibility that problem is in the Puppy version? I think that I had a less problems with some of older puppies (4.1,4.2,4.3) than with this...

As I remember,with that versions and Firefox 3 it was quite good...

Now,even with SeaMonkey 1.1.18 after a 20 minutes browser eat almost all RAM...
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#13 Post by glene77is »

Nepozvan
Thanks.

Yes. I reverted to 5.25 on all installations.
I regained my scanners.
But have not returned to FireFox.
Guess I am leery (suspicious) of software
that will auto-upgrade sometimes, and not other times.
I don't need extra maintenance calls.

I have noticed that clicking the FF 'About' button opens a window that
'sometimes' will auto-upgrade from 5 to 6 to 7 to 8. Sometimes not.
I clicked 'About' to determine which version was running.
So, guess I should click 'debug' instead.

In checking alternatives, I noticed that the Iron browser
has a "Incognito" mode,
that allows killing off current cookies.
Interesting.

Have setup a bunch of USB pendrives to boot lupu 525,
rather than rely on the HD installation.
Just experimenting with the portability idea,
and 'pre-installed system' idea.
Pendrives can be plugged into a 'new' machine, and run immediately !
(No custom install which would tie up someone's desktop).

If I re-install FF on lupu 525, then I'll test it, and re-post.
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#14 Post by Makoto »

You can turn off Firefox's auto-updating (or at least change some of the behavior):

(Preferences > Advanced > Update tab:

Under the "Automatically check for updates to:" header, uncheck "Firefox" and "Add-ons", if you prefer.

Or, if you still want to have Firefox check for browser updates, under the "When updates to Firefox are found:" header, you can change what Firefox does when it discovers there's a new version.)

(Lifted from an earlier post of mine. :oops: )

That should also affect what FF does in the About dialog.

Nepozvan: Like I said, though, you'll probably still need more RAM. :( Puppy 4 and earlier do generally take less RAM, yes, as far as I've seen.
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#15 Post by glene77is »

Makoto and Nepozvan,

Will check this suggestion next time around.

"(Preferences > Advanced > Update tab: "

I guess I missed it before.
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Re: Firefox slow in Puppy 528 with 128 MB of RAM

#16 Post by Shep »

Nepozvan wrote:I have Puppy 5.2.8,Firefox 3.6 and 128 MB of RAM.

And a big problems with using Firefox.I tried some later versions,but I think the situation is even worse. (i have only 2 or 3 add ons)

The computer is practically unusable while using Firefox and searching the Internet known to be much more complicated...
I'm surprised that Firefox even runs with just 128 MB. The flashplayer is a massive drain on resources. I think you should be able to disable it by renaming /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/libflashplayer.so to some other name. Perhaps add XX to the end so Firefox can't find that file.

By disabling the flash player you will reveal the true speed of the browser, and with luck it will be useable on most sites.
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