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Tman · #441 Post by **Tman** » Sun 22 Apr 2012, 22:59

@nooby,

I gave a tutorial in the link several posts above.

You only need 2 files to boot with a Slitaz frugal. Those 2 files are bzImage and rootfs.gz

But there is a problem: Slitaz 4.0 has split up rootfs into 4 separate files. These files can be combined in different ways for various types of setups. The default setup is acheived when all 4 rootfs*.gz files are extracted.

How to install from Puppy:
Create a folder named /mnt/home/boot and copy all 4 rootfs files and the "bzImage" file into that folder.
Next, type the following terminal commands to make a single rootfs.gz file:

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cd /mnt/home/boot
cat $(ls -r rootfs*.gz) > rootfs.gz

Once you have the rootfs.gz file created, you can delete the other rootfs1...to rootfs4 files.

And your grub4dos menu should be like this:

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title SliTaz 4 username root psw root
root (hd0,1)
kernel /boot/bzImage rw root=/dev/null home=/dev/sda2
initrd /boot/rootfs.gz

* don't add the other options for language or keyboard becuase I discovered that it will mess up Slitaz after you save and "tux" user will no longer work...those settings only work if you don't save anything.
And also, after you save, your language and keyboard settings will also be saved, so you don't always have to re-select them.

I am sure there is a way to get it working in a different subfolder name other than "boot", but I just wanted to get it to work and have not tried it in a different folder name.

nooby · #442 Post by **nooby** » Mon 23 Apr 2012, 17:42

Much appreciated such detailed answer.
I have to test it but being totally immersed in
getting my summer bike ready will make me
have to wait some days or week maybe

But I will note the bookmark on a to do list so I never forget it.

starhawk · #443 Post by **starhawk** » Thu 26 Apr 2012, 20:23

Found this last night, aimlessly googling around for something entirely different.

http://tiny.seul.org/en/index.html

It's called TINY Linux, and it looks positively antique. None of the emails work, that I can tell at least, but it may be still downloadable. Are there any derivatives or anything, or did it just die of old age?

I'm thinking of beefing it up (if I can learn enough) to work on a Dell Latitude CPi that I have -- 300mhz P-II CPU, 128mb RAM, 12gb HDD, battery may or may not work (I don't trust it!)... you get the picture. Tricky bit is that the graphics are some NeoMagic thing that seems to have been killed by ATi/nVIDIA some time ago -- at least, I've never heard of it in any other place.

Trouble with the CPi is that it's too low power for any modern Puppy. Even ClassicPup, TurboPup, and Puplite5 are too big for it (I've tried). Well... TurboPup worked but had other issues, to be fair.

I might try this TINY Linux on it, but I'm a little scared that the graphics packages available for that distro may not be new enough for the laptop! (I also severely doubt it supports ACPI...)

nooby · #444 Post by **nooby** » Thu 26 Apr 2012, 20:33

Google find others that also are curious on it.
I don't remember that I have tested it and I
am totally immersed in getting a bike ready for the summer.

"I found a distro of called 'Tiny Linux' here http://tiny.seul.org/en/index.html this is based on Slackware 4.0. I've had it down to 35M as an install ..."

So depending on what the developer changed it should work like Slackware.
does it say which window manager it use?

starhawk · #445 Post by **starhawk** » Thu 26 Apr 2012, 20:48

I'm pretty sure it's bare X, with whatever minimal extra stuff is needed to make for a (presumably barely) usable desktop. I can report that it's downloadable -- I just finished getting all the ZIPs.

Looks intriguing, though...

James C · #446 Post by **James C** » Sun 29 Apr 2012, 08:55

Speaking of LMDE........Ubuntu is a total nonstarter now with that Unity/Gnome 3 stuff so I may run this....

nooby · #447 Post by **nooby** » Sun 29 Apr 2012, 10:58

James I make use of LM 12 LXDE and have not tested
LMDE 12 due to one most likely need to do full install
for it to work at all? Have you tested LM 12 LXDE
which is a ubuntu style version wile LMDE is Debian

James C · #448 Post by **James C** » Sun 29 Apr 2012, 11:34

nooby wrote:James I make use of LM 12 LXDE and have not tested
LMDE 12 due to one most likely need to do full install
for it to work at all? Have you tested LM 12 LXDE
which is a ubuntu style version wile LMDE is Debian

Haven't tried Mint 12 LXDE yet,but I probably will soon.The Debian Edition is so big (DVD sized) and seems a little slow on some older machines so thanks for reminding me about the LXDE version..... downloading it now.

harii4 · #449 Post by **harii4** » Sun 29 Apr 2012, 16:01

Testing Salix LXDE 13.37 - right now on an old DEll Latitude C540/C640.
Full install - really nice

The LXDE release is the most lightweight Salix release so far, both in terms of download size and in terms of resources needed. More lightweight applications have been selected in place of the usual heavier ones. The default web browser is Midori, which uses the powerful webkit engine for rendering. The default mail client is Claws-mail and the transmission bittorrent client and Pidgin IM client also included. Abiword and Gnumeric are included for all your document and spreadsheet editing needs and epdfview is the default PDF viewer. Other applications included are the lightweight Whaaw! Media Player, the Exaile music manager and the Brasero disc burning application, all using the GStreamer engine as a backend. Installation of restricted codecs is, as usual, made easy with the Salix codecs installer application, available from the Multimedia menu. Viewnior is the default image file viewer and mtpaint can be used for editing them. The full set of the Salix system tools are of course included in this release. Users are able to use the Gslapt package manager, or the command line equivalent slapt-get, to install extra software in their systems from Slackware and Salix repositories, with complete support for dependency resolution. As previously noted, Sourcery is also available to make the task of building software from SlackBuilds easier, as is slapt-src, its command line equivalent. The full set of the Salix system tools are of course included in this release.

CD is size: 485MB
Was hoping Big_Bass's tools would work on it but they use spkg-pkgtools not the standard pkgtools.

mod slapt-get/Gslapt updates real nice

nooby · #450 Post by **nooby** » Sun 29 Apr 2012, 16:05

A fast but maybe not politically correct way to test the LM12 LXDE is
to use my "cheat" frugal install. It allows a freedom close to root
but is less secure obviously.

title LM12 LXDE 2012 frugal iso boot of LM12 LM12LXDE
find --set-root --ignore-floppies --ignore-cd /linuxmint-12-lxde-cd-32bit.iso
kernel /LM12LXDE/casper/vmlinuz rw file=/cdrom/preseed/mint.seed boot=casper iso-scan/filename=/linuxmint-12-lxde-cd-32bit.iso ramdisk_size=1048576 root=/dev/ram kmap=se LANG=sv_SE.UTF-8 keymap=sv-latin1 noeject noprompt persistent --
initrd /LM12LXDE/casper/initrd.lz

One have to use puppy to move some directories like casper
and preseed but most likely isolinux is not needed on NTFS
how it works on linux formatting I have not tested.

Change the codes that is unique for my set up like HD
and language.
It is a good way to get it installed on USB one boot
it live using my code from HD and then tell it to install
on USB. Have done that two times and it works well.
No need for burning DVD

nooby · #451 Post by **nooby** » Sun 29 Apr 2012, 16:07

Salix people got really upset when I whined about
them not allowing me to be root. If you can tell me
how to be root on Salix that would be great.

Haha When I tried being root then a Box popped up saying "Meh!"

harii4 · #452 Post by **harii4** » Sun 29 Apr 2012, 16:32

Had to create an user
had to SU all the time.

Feels like AntiX without the Debian Bloat.
Midori works well - even has speed dial.
Everything Worked out-of-the-box

Miss using Pburn and other small apps like pfind, PWget and others.

nooby · #453 Post by **nooby** » Mon 07 May 2012, 09:08

I'm writing this from within Solus OS dl from DistroWatch this Monday.
http://distrowatch.com/?newsid=07238

I booted it using the code in the iso from isolinux.cfg translated to grub4dos

But it does not allow me access to the NTFS HD it booted from in frugal install.

If any of you can tell me how to change it so it allow root or at least access
to NTFS sda2 that would be nice.
Loading of FF took a very long time so most likely it did an update before starting it.

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title SolusOS a Debian variant 
 root (hd0,1)
kernel (hd0,1)/solus/live/vmlinuz config boot=live live-media-path=/solus/live union=unionfs --
initrd (hd0,1)/solus/live/initrd.lz [/url]

Debian for Raspberry Pi seems to also ahve problem with root. 
[url]http://elinux.org/R-Pi_Troubleshooting#Passwords[/url]

[url]http://www.raspberrypi.org/forum/absolute-beginners/debian-admin-password/#p66659[/url] 
User GizmoB73 says 
[quote]Interestingly (and probably rather dangerously) I have found that you can run:

$ sudo su -

#

to get logged in as root without knowing the password![/quote]
I guess he mean that he does this either on command line or in a terminal? 

Is that something someone here can test. 
Having a Swedish keyboard I have no idea where the # is on a UK or US kbd. 
the - I am unsure of where it is too. Would be cool if someone tested this. 
And how does one get the GUI Windows Manager running as Root in Solus?

d4p · #454 Post by **d4p** » Tue 08 May 2012, 03:33

Read/write root access:
-Plop Linux 422
-SlackelLive KDE 4.8.2-1

Swiftlinux 0-2-0-reg base on Mint can boot off very fast
Boot time comparison: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uTdWCoOo8dE

Colonel Panic · #455 Post by **Colonel Panic** » Wed 09 May 2012, 10:19

I am posting this from Bloathi (Bodhi with additional apps - which I'm running live from a computer in my local community centre). I really like it but so far I've not been able to run it from my own machine at home because it boots from a DVD.

Great distro anyway.

nooby · #456 Post by **nooby** » Wed 09 May 2012, 12:08

Thanks, Surprise that that version of Bloathy produce ä and ö
on an English keyboard?

kooliepup · #457 Post by **kooliepup** » Wed 09 May 2012, 21:38

Being a twice-daily Bodhi 1.2 remaster-for-the-Net user for the last year, I tried 1.4 to see what was new.
Not much, so I still use 1.2.

Tried Bloathi 1.4 out of curiousity, and can't get anything but 1024x768 res. Strange.
And a missing lib for Envision. Sloppy.
Everything else is perfect (normal for Bodhi).

8 out of 10 for Bloathi.
9 out of 10 for Bodhi.
I have never given anything a 10.
Slacko may be the first 10.

Colonel Panic · #458 Post by **Colonel Panic** » Sat 12 May 2012, 12:58

nooby wrote:Thanks, Surprise that that version of Bloathy produce ä and ö
on an English keyboard?

Yes, oops! It must have selected the wrong keyboard when it loaded. Sorry to anyone who struggled to read my post. It's a good distro anyway even if I can't use it at home at the moment.

I'm testing out Solus and Saline at the moment, two distros based on Debian. Saline uses XFCE as its desktop manager whereas Solus uses Gnome 2 instead. I like the look of Saline a bit better (lovely wallpaper of a school of dolphins swimming underwater, for a start), but Solus comes with Firefox as standard whereas I couldn't find a way to install Firefox from the live disk, so Solus was the one I installed.

It's my first day of using it but already it looks very impressive.

nooby · #459 Post by **nooby** » Sat 12 May 2012, 14:28

I envy you. I want to try out SolusOS and SalineOS too
but like most Debian they either is very dependent
on that my NTFS HD is defragged by Ms Windows first
or that one make a linux partition or make use of USB
or DVD and I prefer to do frugal install on the HD.

I wonder if it is possible to "cheat" using PussyLinux
vmlinuz or initrd to do the boot and still end up loading
the Solus or Saline squashfs.sfs? something?

PussyLinux allow me to boot as root. Saline and Solus
do not.

But Solus OS let me boot as Debian "single" which maybe is a kind of root
but it does not start the Gnome Windows Manager.

How can one call up or load Gnome from the Command Line Interface?
Maybe one have to mount the sda2 before it works due to not running in RAM?
or how to get Firefox going or the File Manager whichever that is?

Ubuntu like distros almost all of them allow the following cheat boot.

title LM12 LXDE 2012 frugal iso boot of LM12 LM12LXDE
find --set-root --ignore-floppies --ignore-cd /linuxmint-12-lxde-cd-32bit.iso
kernel /LM12LXDE/casper/vmlinuz rw file=/cdrom/preseed/mint.seed boot=casper iso-scan/filename=/linuxmint-12-lxde-cd-32bit.iso ramdisk_size=1048576 root=/dev/ram kmap=se LANG=sv_SE.UTF-8 keymap=sv-latin1 noeject noprompt persistent --
initrd /LM12LXDE/casper/initrd.lz

While none of the Debian does allow it and if they do then they lock the HD
so one can not listen to the music files or see the picture files or read html either. No access.

So Ubuntu for sure is not Debian

That LM12 allow me to write text files and html files so almost as good as a Puppy. But real slow to load programs not being in RAM

SolusOS link on DW
http://distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=solusos

nooby · #460 Post by **nooby** » Sat 12 May 2012, 18:43

Sorry me so annoying. I looked in the SolusOS forum
and the only post that looked like a description
where this one from UK Brian.

http://forums.solusos.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=434#p3553
He says

I use this entry in my fsab

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    LABEL=500-data       /home/user/500-data   ntfs-3g  defaults,uid=1000         0      0
Where "500-data" is the partition label and "user" is your user name.
You must create a folder in your user folder named whatever you use for your windows label.

Maybe use "Windows" as the label which will appear at the bottom in nautilus hence my use off "500-data" which lists at the top

What you want really is a symbolic link in your "home/user" folder to your "C:\my documents\username" but i can't help you there.Image

Imagepisses me off
I am not allowed to enter a label on the partition i am installing to and it doesn't even default to using the "HOSTNAME" i've taken the trouble to type in,
after the install i've gota go in gparted to add a label, "sd?" means jack sh*t to me, i'm just a poor suffering thick user.
ImageBl**dy devs

Only pclos allowed me, a user to do this when I took the trouble to try his distro out

I would still have the problem of booting into root
not knowing the Admin Username and password.

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