Racy NOP 5.2.2
EDIT: Item 1. only SOLVED
Good Day,
Haven't been to a Nop forum in a while, although I've used one Nop or another exclusively since the first.
Have finally switched to this one, racyNOP-5.2.2r1 from my long term favorite, QNop-1.2.
Main reason was that my new Aspire One netbook needed a newer kernel.
I am very pleased with both Racy and Aspire. I do have a couple of questions:
1. How does one remove the tray applets for savefile space and for battery state. They work well enough but take up tray space, and the pwidgets are better I think.
EDIT: Simply move the unwanted item(s) from /root/Startup to some folder in /mnt/home. They can be moved back to restore.
2. Early on above I read Geoffrey's patch for a logout problem, which I think gray implemented in r1. I still seem to have this problem or similar. Any word on that?
Thanks
Haven't been to a Nop forum in a while, although I've used one Nop or another exclusively since the first.
Have finally switched to this one, racyNOP-5.2.2r1 from my long term favorite, QNop-1.2.
Main reason was that my new Aspire One netbook needed a newer kernel.
I am very pleased with both Racy and Aspire. I do have a couple of questions:
1. How does one remove the tray applets for savefile space and for battery state. They work well enough but take up tray space, and the pwidgets are better I think.
EDIT: Simply move the unwanted item(s) from /root/Startup to some folder in /mnt/home. They can be moved back to restore.
2. Early on above I read Geoffrey's patch for a logout problem, which I think gray implemented in r1. I still seem to have this problem or similar. Any word on that?
Thanks
Last edited by Henry on Thu 14 Jun 2012, 05:46, edited 1 time in total.
Scanner and wireless don't work.
I've been completing configuration and testing of RacyNop for serious work, and despite lots of research and effort I cannot seem to detect my scanner or to use wireless.
My impression is that Racy itself and RacyNop both have these problems. Before going into detail, I would like to ask if anyone has had success with them.
(I should say that wired ethenet and printing on th HP 4480 all-in-one work well.)
My impression is that Racy itself and RacyNop both have these problems. Before going into detail, I would like to ask if anyone has had success with them.
(I should say that wired ethenet and printing on th HP 4480 all-in-one work well.)
Re: Scanner and wireless don't work.
What model is this? A Deskjet F4480 or a Photosmart C4480?Henry wrote:I've been completing configuration and testing of RacyNop for serious work, and despite lots of research and effort I cannot seem to detect my scanner or to use wireless.
What have you tried so far? What driver packages? What scanner software?
Does scanning work when connected by USB?
Does your unit work in other Puppies?
Hello -good to hear from theexpert on printing and scanning!
rcrsn51 wrote:
What model is this? A Deskjet F4480 or a Photosmart C4480?
An HP Photosmart 4480 that I've used for years daily with my QuirkyNop-1.2.
I just move the USB cable to the adjacent new Acer Aspire One 722, Linux 3.0.7 [i686 arch]
I plan to go RacyNop in the old computer too. I think it has the same problem there. but I'll recheck and confirm that shortly (have to get oof here before doing that)
What have you tried so far? What driver packages?
What scanner software?
I use basically the same software in both computers. Printing works well in both. I'll check the list and get it to you shortly, but basically it's the normal Xsane, HPliplite, sane-backends, etc. Tried Peasyscan for comparison. Same symptoms.
Does scanning work when connected by USB?
Yes, when it works, of course..
Does your unit work in other Puppies
My unit (the 4480) works perfectly with my usual QuirkyNop-1.2
Off to check the list. Will return.
Henry
rcrsn51 wrote:
What model is this? A Deskjet F4480 or a Photosmart C4480?
An HP Photosmart 4480 that I've used for years daily with my QuirkyNop-1.2.
I just move the USB cable to the adjacent new Acer Aspire One 722, Linux 3.0.7 [i686 arch]
I plan to go RacyNop in the old computer too. I think it has the same problem there. but I'll recheck and confirm that shortly (have to get oof here before doing that)
What have you tried so far? What driver packages?
What scanner software?
I use basically the same software in both computers. Printing works well in both. I'll check the list and get it to you shortly, but basically it's the normal Xsane, HPliplite, sane-backends, etc. Tried Peasyscan for comparison. Same symptoms.
Does scanning work when connected by USB?
Yes, when it works, of course..
Does your unit work in other Puppies
My unit (the 4480) works perfectly with my usual QuirkyNop-1.2
Off to check the list. Will return.
Henry
The first thing I noticed about RacyNOP is that Gray stripped out all the scanner components. I was able to put some of my own stuff back in and get scanning working with my HP Officejet wifi. But it should be Gray's responsibility to provide a compatible scanner package.Henry wrote:This list is pretty much what I have in both machines:
sane-backends-1.0.21-q1
xsane-0.997-patched-w5
I used my own hplip-print package and got wifi printing working with the built-in CUPS 1.3.11. I don't know if the above combination is compatible with RacyNOP. But as far as CUPS is concerned, there is no difference between wired Ethernet and wifi. As long as the device has a valid IP address, CUPS should auto-detect it.libnetsnmp-15-mu-p4
hpliplite-3-11.5
CUPS-1.4.1
?????Does scanning work when connected by USB?
Yes, when it works, of course..
BTW the reason I went from CUPS-i.3.1 to 1.4.1 was that it was required by Libreoffice to print, as I recall.
There are many troubles associated with wifi ("wireless") in Racy when I search the forum. It looks like a mess. I'm not a wireless expert but it seems RacyNop gets a wireless connection just as well as it gets an ethernet one but it doesn't get any data from it and/or keep it. Wish I could say that better.
PS: Oh, now I understand your question about USB. I had no idea you were referring to a wireless printer. The only way the 4480 can print/scan is by USB. When I say wireless I'm only talking about the router.
Henry
There are many troubles associated with wifi ("wireless") in Racy when I search the forum. It looks like a mess. I'm not a wireless expert but it seems RacyNop gets a wireless connection just as well as it gets an ethernet one but it doesn't get any data from it and/or keep it. Wish I could say that better.
PS: Oh, now I understand your question about USB. I had no idea you were referring to a wireless printer. The only way the 4480 can print/scan is by USB. When I say wireless I'm only talking about the router.
Henry
Now I understand. I am surprised that your combination of PETs supports printing but not scanning. What happens if you run "xsane" from the command line? Do you get any error messages?Henry wrote:The only way the 4480 can print/scan is by USB. When I say wireless I'm only talking about the router.
Or run the commands "sane-find-scanner" and "scanimage -L".
xsane gives a popup "no devices available"rcrsn51 wrote:Now I understand. I am surprised that your combination of PETs supports printing but not scanning. What happens if you run "xsane" from the command line? Do you get any error messages?Henry wrote:The only way the 4480 can print/scan is by USB. When I say wireless I'm only talking about the router.
Or run the commands "sane-find-scanner" and "scanimage -L".
# sane-find-scanner
# sane-find-scanner will now attempt to detect your scanner. If the
# result is different from what you expected, first make sure your
# scanner is powered up and properly connected to your computer.
# No SCSI scanners found. If you expected something different, make sure that
# you have loaded a kernel SCSI driver for your SCSI adapter.
found USB scanner (vendor=0x03f0 [HP], product=0x6c11 [Photosmart C4400 series]) at libusb:001:008
# Your USB scanner was (probably) detected. It may or may not be supported by
# SANE. Try scanimage -L and read the backend's manpage.
# Not checking for parallel port scanners.
# Most Scanners connected to the parallel port or other proprietary ports
# can't be detected by this program.
#
scanimage -L
No scanners were identified. If you were expecting something different,
check that the scanner is plugged in, turned on and detected by the
sane-find-scanner tool (if appropriate). Please read the documentation
which came with this software (README, FAQ, manpages).
#
I just took a screen shot of my current RacyNop. (Top photo)
Actually, everything is in good order except the scanning and wifi. http://www.henrystrobel.com/linux.htm
Actually, everything is in good order except the scanning and wifi. http://www.henrystrobel.com/linux.htm
SCANNING PROBLEM SOLVED
rcrsn51 wrote:
That did it! What can I say? ThanksTry the hplip_scan-3.12.4.pet from here.
NOW, IF ONLY I COULD CONNECT WIFI
A couple of pages back I asked if anyone was able to connect to the internet via a wireless router in RacyNop, aka Puppy Linux 5.2.2.
I have spent many frustrated hours trying to do this, and suspect it may not work.
There is an excellent visual step by step procedure by CatDude at
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=65346
This is actually for Lupu-520, but I guess it's essentially the same for Racy.
At the end I get the message: NETWORK CONFIGURATION OF wlan0 SUCCESSFUL, but this seems to result regardless of the key I enter, and I always get "Could not connect to remote server"
Is it working for you? gray, comment?
I have spent many frustrated hours trying to do this, and suspect it may not work.
There is an excellent visual step by step procedure by CatDude at
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=65346
This is actually for Lupu-520, but I guess it's essentially the same for Racy.
At the end I get the message: NETWORK CONFIGURATION OF wlan0 SUCCESSFUL, but this seems to result regardless of the key I enter, and I always get "Could not connect to remote server"
Is it working for you? gray, comment?
1. I'm no Puppy expert, but...
I've always so far managed to connect Puppy to my router, both by wire and wirelessly.
2. Have you first tried connecting by wire?
And entered the routers' IP address in a Firefox window address box...
And entered the required username and password to gain access to the routers configuration settings?
And checked that they all look OK?
e.g. Perhaps wireless connection has been disable within the router config settings!
You should configure/choose an encryption system for the wireless communication [WPA/WPA2?]
The device you are connecting with must be capable of using the chosen encryption system, and configured to use it.
e.g. My Sony Bravia TV cannot use WPA2, only WEP & WPA.
3. Once you can connect successfully by wire, you know the router is functional...
And can try wireless connection with greater confidence.
4. For remote connection BY WIRE to my router...
[wireless connection of my downstairs Sony Smart-TV to the upstairs router worked unreliably, due to poor signal strength]...
I bought a Devolo Powerline Adapter [wireless+3_wired_connection_sockets].
I connect [any suitable device] to the Devolo unit-2 either wirelessly, or by wire.
Unit-1 is connected by wire to the router...
Unit-2 connects to unit-1 [with encrypted communication] via the house electrical power cables.
VERY RELIABLE, simple, and trouble free.
Cost about £90 methinks, but worth it.
I've always so far managed to connect Puppy to my router, both by wire and wirelessly.
2. Have you first tried connecting by wire?
And entered the routers' IP address in a Firefox window address box...
And entered the required username and password to gain access to the routers configuration settings?
And checked that they all look OK?
e.g. Perhaps wireless connection has been disable within the router config settings!
You should configure/choose an encryption system for the wireless communication [WPA/WPA2?]
The device you are connecting with must be capable of using the chosen encryption system, and configured to use it.
e.g. My Sony Bravia TV cannot use WPA2, only WEP & WPA.
3. Once you can connect successfully by wire, you know the router is functional...
And can try wireless connection with greater confidence.
4. For remote connection BY WIRE to my router...
[wireless connection of my downstairs Sony Smart-TV to the upstairs router worked unreliably, due to poor signal strength]...
I bought a Devolo Powerline Adapter [wireless+3_wired_connection_sockets].
I connect [any suitable device] to the Devolo unit-2 either wirelessly, or by wire.
Unit-1 is connected by wire to the router...
Unit-2 connects to unit-1 [with encrypted communication] via the house electrical power cables.
VERY RELIABLE, simple, and trouble free.
Cost about £90 methinks, but worth it.
Hi Henry
Never had any trouble connecting via wireless with any NOP
from QrkyNop120 onwards.
So WaryNOP-511, RacyNOP-522, Saluki-021 etc all work via wifi.
Seem to recall that NOP-431 was ok with wifi too.
The only exception was with QrkyNOP on a laptop that had a Broadcom wifi setup.
Had to load wl.ko or something similar to make it work.
Sylvander's power-line suggestion is worth looking into.
HTH - very best regards - Ray
PS. out of interest what wifi router are you attempting to use?
Never had any trouble connecting via wireless with any NOP
from QrkyNop120 onwards.
So WaryNOP-511, RacyNOP-522, Saluki-021 etc all work via wifi.
Seem to recall that NOP-431 was ok with wifi too.
The only exception was with QrkyNOP on a laptop that had a Broadcom wifi setup.
Had to load wl.ko or something similar to make it work.
Sylvander's power-line suggestion is worth looking into.
HTH - very best regards - Ray
PS. out of interest what wifi router are you attempting to use?
[b]Asus[/b] 701SD. 2gig ram. 8gb SSD. [b]IBM A21m[/b] laptop. 192mb ram. PIII Coppermine proc. [b]X60[/b] T2400 1.8Ghz proc. 2gig ram. 80gb hdd. [b]T41[/b] Pentium M 1400Mhz. 512mb ram.
Thanks, Sylvander and Ray MK,
@ Sylvander: I've used wired ethernet with every computer,including this one, for several decades. I have the login and can see the settings (not sure I would know if they were correct - someone else installed the router.) It uses WEP and DHCP. Visitors here use wifi on their laptops. This is my first ever attempt at it, having just got my first laptop, actually an Aspire netbook. The sgnal strength is excellent and always detected.
@ Ray MK: Good to hear from you again! Thanks for confirming that you have used wifi with RacyNop 522r1. I am using a Cisc0/Linksys E1000
@ Sylvander: I've used wired ethernet with every computer,including this one, for several decades. I have the login and can see the settings (not sure I would know if they were correct - someone else installed the router.) It uses WEP and DHCP. Visitors here use wifi on their laptops. This is my first ever attempt at it, having just got my first laptop, actually an Aspire netbook. The sgnal strength is excellent and always detected.
@ Ray MK: Good to hear from you again! Thanks for confirming that you have used wifi with RacyNop 522r1. I am using a Cisc0/Linksys E1000
CAN'T RESTART WINDOW MANAGER
RacyNop 522r1 shuts down OK, but -
"restart WM" goes to a blank screen requiring power off to unlock.
"ctl+alt+ bkspc" goes to a blank screen requiring power off to unlock.
"menu, shutdown, logout" goes to a blank screen requiring power off to unlock.
This is a serious showstopper. Sorry I'm a late adopter on this puppy. Hope it's not too late to get it fixed.
Henry
"restart WM" goes to a blank screen requiring power off to unlock.
"ctl+alt+ bkspc" goes to a blank screen requiring power off to unlock.
"menu, shutdown, logout" goes to a blank screen requiring power off to unlock.
This is a serious showstopper. Sorry I'm a late adopter on this puppy. Hope it's not too late to get it fixed.
Henry
Last edited by Henry on Wed 13 Jun 2012, 20:11, edited 1 time in total.
1. After any "improper-power-off" [like you experienced]...
I ALWAYS scan&fix the partition_file_system...
Of the partition holding the OS that was running at the time.
Prior to any attempt at subsequent use of that OS.
e.g.
(a) If I was running a "live" Puppy CD with a pupsave on my internal HDD:
At next boot of that Puppy...
I'd run the command:
puppy pfix=fsck
That would scan&fix BOTH the Linux filesystem inside the pupsave file AND the host partition filesystem.
2. Perhaps the partition filesystem, of the partition holding your Puppy, has been corrupted...
And then perhaps because you failed to fix it prior to next use....
The Puppy files themselves have become corrupted.
So...
3.
(a) What kind of Puppy install?
(b) Pupsave file in use?
(c) What kind of filesystem[s] in use?
I ALWAYS scan&fix the partition_file_system...
Of the partition holding the OS that was running at the time.
Prior to any attempt at subsequent use of that OS.
e.g.
(a) If I was running a "live" Puppy CD with a pupsave on my internal HDD:
At next boot of that Puppy...
I'd run the command:
puppy pfix=fsck
That would scan&fix BOTH the Linux filesystem inside the pupsave file AND the host partition filesystem.
2. Perhaps the partition filesystem, of the partition holding your Puppy, has been corrupted...
And then perhaps because you failed to fix it prior to next use....
The Puppy files themselves have become corrupted.
So...
3.
(a) What kind of Puppy install?
(b) Pupsave file in use?
(c) What kind of filesystem[s] in use?
Can't drop out of X to prompt.
Good point about corruption! I'm new at this kind of "install." The aim is to get a portable computer (netbook) but also to get a portable operating system with data (bootflash).
Of course the netbook has no CD drive, but again, the aim is not to install on the hard drive.
So I have nothing except windows 7 on the internal hard drive, which I don't use. Racy, racysave.2fs(2 versions each with backups for hot backup and restore), various sfs's,and all my data are on the bootflash. Yes, I keep a separate backup flash drive or two! I guess you would call it a portable frugal. It's on one of the new tiny flash drives, which only protrude about 4 mm from the netbook.
I'm now looking at how best to fsck. Will get back to you shortly on that, and thanks in advance for any suggestions.
File system. Hmmm. Seems to be fat32 on the flash. Otherwise I always use ext2.
EDIT: My options are extremely limited since I cannot drop back to a prompt. This is an incredible fault. While the concern for possible corruption is valid, that is not the problem here. I have confirmed this with fresh "empty" RacyNop boot flashes, which still have the problem, and with full Slacko 3.3 bootflashes, which do not.
EDIT 2: I wrote in my first post of this series:
Henry
Of course the netbook has no CD drive, but again, the aim is not to install on the hard drive.
So I have nothing except windows 7 on the internal hard drive, which I don't use. Racy, racysave.2fs(2 versions each with backups for hot backup and restore), various sfs's,and all my data are on the bootflash. Yes, I keep a separate backup flash drive or two! I guess you would call it a portable frugal. It's on one of the new tiny flash drives, which only protrude about 4 mm from the netbook.
I'm now looking at how best to fsck. Will get back to you shortly on that, and thanks in advance for any suggestions.
File system. Hmmm. Seems to be fat32 on the flash. Otherwise I always use ext2.
EDIT: My options are extremely limited since I cannot drop back to a prompt. This is an incredible fault. While the concern for possible corruption is valid, that is not the problem here. I have confirmed this with fresh "empty" RacyNop boot flashes, which still have the problem, and with full Slacko 3.3 bootflashes, which do not.
EDIT 2: I wrote in my first post of this series:
I just went back and looked at Geoffrey's suggested fix, and it sems gray included it verbatim so there's something else involved. This is such an obvious problem that I don't understand why others don't have it. Check sum of my iso is good. gray, I trust you are reading this?2. Early on above I read Geoffrey's patch for a logout problem, which I think gray implemented in r1. I still seem to have this problem or similar. Any word on that?
Henry