Hello People
Just a trend i have noticed, since the SOPA internet piracy laws where shot down, it seems there are more and more people using that as an excuse to pirate whatever, whenever and as much as you like. It seems even high profile entities in the IT and internet area are even encouraging it.
For example:
before SOPA, there wasnt any full length non authorized movies on youtube (unless they where posted with the permission of the copyright holder, this would be "authorized"), now it seems no matter what movie you want to see, if its more than a year old or so then its there, uploaded by the average joey blogs with it no permission at all. These generate thousands and even hundreds of thousands of hits before they are taken down, or they are not taken down at all, because i get the feeling that youtube just doesnt care.
It seems that post-SOPA, the term copyright has lost its value. Lets not forget that every music video ever filmed by any music group is also freely available and uploaded by various individuals with no permission at all. Combine this with a simply www.keepvid.com type of youtube downloader and this ends up being a source of free music that you have absolutely no right to keep under anything that remotely calls itself a copyright law.
It seems that no matter how high quality the sound is, its not up to the standard of a bought CD. This seems to be the only reason why audiophiles would actually buy music.
There is one good thing tho, if it wasnt for semi legal or illegal youtube vids of music videos or just music, i would never have discovered that some of my favourite bands/ groups had released more than the few albums i thought they had, and after learning that the only surviving music chain store here in australia doesnt stock these, i was able to order them, if it wasnt for youtube, there is probably 100 music CD and or DVD purchases that i wouldnt have made. I am one case that has actually benefited the pockets of the artists.
I know people who "rip" youtube vids and make cds from the the resultant .wav or .mp3 files and use them, they sound crap but it seems good enough for these people who cant tell the difference between a 128kbs MP3 and full CD quality.
Either we all become audiophiles and garner better musical and sound quality tastes and use $800 turntables and 33 or 45rpm vinyl or buy cds or dvds or the people making the music will stop.
Even cds and dvds can be copied byte for byte and reproduced in exact quality. But the humble LP, the "record", "wax". "dub plate", "vinyl" cant be easily replicated, even if it is its at a lower quality, same with cassette tapes.
To the uninitiated who believe that vinyl isnt as good as cd, these statements would make no sense at all. And to those people, im sure the lower quality youtube ripped sound is just fine.
The death of SOPA - an excuse to do whatever
Spot on sickgut.
Just as SOPA is bad news, so is piracy.
I often rummage around Youtube to find new songs and vids.
The ones I like I always go and purchase the original for two reasons:
1) To support the artist/s.
Yes there are greedy producers and production houses in the chain taking
the lions share but the artist agreed to the terms when signing up.
2) Like you say, the quality on Youtube is no where near what the original is.
This inferior quality may be OK for some but it bugs me.
Not every thing is free and if one wants it, pay the asking price or move on.
Those that pirate are no better then petty thieves.
Youtube is simply (or it should be regarded as) a preview/listening station
like those found in many stores that allows one to listen to a CD before buying it.
Most people know that walking out of a store without paying for something
is theft but seem to think that doing so on-line is some how acceptable.
In the end all these pirates are doing is giving ammunition to the SOPA supporters.
Just as SOPA is bad news, so is piracy.
I often rummage around Youtube to find new songs and vids.
The ones I like I always go and purchase the original for two reasons:
1) To support the artist/s.
Yes there are greedy producers and production houses in the chain taking
the lions share but the artist agreed to the terms when signing up.
2) Like you say, the quality on Youtube is no where near what the original is.
This inferior quality may be OK for some but it bugs me.
Not every thing is free and if one wants it, pay the asking price or move on.
Those that pirate are no better then petty thieves.
Youtube is simply (or it should be regarded as) a preview/listening station
like those found in many stores that allows one to listen to a CD before buying it.
Most people know that walking out of a store without paying for something
is theft but seem to think that doing so on-line is some how acceptable.
In the end all these pirates are doing is giving ammunition to the SOPA supporters.
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aarf
you can get FLAC - Free Lossless Audio Codec of classical music from torrent. i have so much i will never get around to listening to it all. dont posses the equipment to make the call on quality.
actually my android wont access my ext3 media where i have my downloads stored and it wont see my usb plugged dvd player so currently i'm not listening to any stored music at all.
if its on youtube i see it as fair game for local storage. actually the only way i can currently watch youtube vids on my android is through operamini which downloads it to local storage then my local media player opens it. still plenty there that cant be accessed there at all because of the wrong file format. yes and i have nearly the latest android equipment and software.
ok i've said it one more time android sucks.
actually my android wont access my ext3 media where i have my downloads stored and it wont see my usb plugged dvd player so currently i'm not listening to any stored music at all.
if its on youtube i see it as fair game for local storage. actually the only way i can currently watch youtube vids on my android is through operamini which downloads it to local storage then my local media player opens it. still plenty there that cant be accessed there at all because of the wrong file format. yes and i have nearly the latest android equipment and software.
ok i've said it one more time android sucks.
Last edited by aarf on Mon 13 Aug 2012, 07:11, edited 3 times in total.
Let's get it straight here.
Useless media companies won't and don't release material.
Well stuff them.
Plenty of artists have material that's never been released,
but whoa!!!! if you upload it.
Again...stuff them.
Record companies are in fact making more money than ever.
It's a proven fact that fans want the actual cd media...whatever,
in their hot little hands.
So a pirated record actually achieves more sales after people can
access it....for a spin.
In 1996 Mike Nesmith opened his video ranch,
where you could download samples.
16 years later still going strong.
Nez wasn't too worried about pirating....
he knew his fans would pay up.
http://videoranch.com/html/frhomepage.html
Artist: Michael Nesmith
Click to hear a sample: etc.
http://www.videoranch3d.com/100/100-009.html
"""""
The late Davy Jones followed Nesmith's example.
Only you could hear all the record....etc.
http://davyjones.bandcamp.com/album/live-in-tokyo-1999
::::::::
I like Harry Chapin...a lovely man,
do you see him much at music shops.
Some vids on his site.
http://www.harrychapinmusic.com/index.p ... Itemid=129
http://www.harrychapinfoodbank.org/inde ... -food-bank
Harry was a popular folk/rock performer
("Taxi," "Cats in the Cradle," "Circle")
who donated the proceeds from every other concert he gave to
end hunger. He also co-founded the organization World Hunger Year.
Harry spent a great deal of time on Capitol Hill, convincing members
of Congress and their staff to enact solutions to the solvable
problem of hunger.
Soundstage videos were good.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RDkmqmH ... ature=plcp
"""""""
What about the Kinks?? F..k all.
I have at least 26 LPs.
Can I get a DVD or cd of more exotic releases....nada.
Glastonbury 2010
Ray Davies dedicates "Waterloo Sunset" and "Days" to Pete Quaife
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n6hMWM_ ... re=related
Ever released....hmmm!!!
""""""
In Australia they never released the Sean Connery movie ....
Medicine Man on DVD.
Too hard...gee what shall I do.
Better not post that one.
"""""""""""
Try and find the kids series Tugs....a great tale..13 episodes.
oops >> no release on DVD.
" TUGS is Thomas' sister series "
Enjoy this one.
" A new Tugboat called Sunshine arrives in Bigg City Port to help the
Star Fleet whilst they dock a liner "
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OJynWwy ... re=related
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9sR46mh ... re=related
""""""""""""
Well...what can I say?
Will I post another Billy Connolly link for all those
whingeing media wankers?
Chris.
Useless media companies won't and don't release material.
Well stuff them.
Plenty of artists have material that's never been released,
but whoa!!!! if you upload it.
Again...stuff them.
Record companies are in fact making more money than ever.
It's a proven fact that fans want the actual cd media...whatever,
in their hot little hands.
So a pirated record actually achieves more sales after people can
access it....for a spin.
In 1996 Mike Nesmith opened his video ranch,
where you could download samples.
16 years later still going strong.
Nez wasn't too worried about pirating....
he knew his fans would pay up.
http://videoranch.com/html/frhomepage.html
Artist: Michael Nesmith
Click to hear a sample: etc.
http://www.videoranch3d.com/100/100-009.html
"""""
The late Davy Jones followed Nesmith's example.
Only you could hear all the record....etc.
http://davyjones.bandcamp.com/album/live-in-tokyo-1999
::::::::
I like Harry Chapin...a lovely man,
do you see him much at music shops.
Some vids on his site.
http://www.harrychapinmusic.com/index.p ... Itemid=129
http://www.harrychapinfoodbank.org/inde ... -food-bank
Harry was a popular folk/rock performer
("Taxi," "Cats in the Cradle," "Circle")
who donated the proceeds from every other concert he gave to
end hunger. He also co-founded the organization World Hunger Year.
Harry spent a great deal of time on Capitol Hill, convincing members
of Congress and their staff to enact solutions to the solvable
problem of hunger.
Soundstage videos were good.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RDkmqmH ... ature=plcp
"""""""
What about the Kinks?? F..k all.
I have at least 26 LPs.
Can I get a DVD or cd of more exotic releases....nada.
Glastonbury 2010
Ray Davies dedicates "Waterloo Sunset" and "Days" to Pete Quaife
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n6hMWM_ ... re=related
Ever released....hmmm!!!
""""""
In Australia they never released the Sean Connery movie ....
Medicine Man on DVD.
Too hard...gee what shall I do.
Better not post that one.
"""""""""""
Try and find the kids series Tugs....a great tale..13 episodes.
oops >> no release on DVD.
" TUGS is Thomas' sister series "
Enjoy this one.
" A new Tugboat called Sunshine arrives in Bigg City Port to help the
Star Fleet whilst they dock a liner "
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OJynWwy ... re=related
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9sR46mh ... re=related
""""""""""""
Well...what can I say?
Will I post another Billy Connolly link for all those
whingeing media wankers?
Chris.
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Bruce B
I saw a live Harry Chapin concert about 1980. I also bought some cassettes.
I just discovered at one of his performances, (not the one I was at), he broke a guitar string, and continued performing while fixing it and almost nobody even noticed him breaking and fixing it. The repair took about 30 seconds.
linkHarry Chapin - Thirty thousand pounds of bananas
Start at 3:20 and watch on maybe until about 4:00
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sickgut
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i completely agree that we shouldnt be punished for downloading songs or videos that where never marketed.cthisbear wrote:Let's get it straight here.
Useless media companies won't and don't release material.
Well stuff them.
Plenty of artists have material that's never been released,
but whoa!!!! if you upload it.
Again...stuff them.
Record companies are in fact making more money than ever.
It's a proven fact that fans want the actual cd media...whatever,
in their hot little hands.
So a pirated record actually achieves more sales after people can
access it....for a spin.
In 1996 Mike Nesmith opened his video ranch,
where you could download samples.
16 years later still going strong.
Nez wasn't too worried about pirating....
he knew his fans would pay up.
http://videoranch.com/html/frhomepage.html
Artist: Michael Nesmith
Click to hear a sample: etc.
http://www.videoranch3d.com/100/100-009.html
"""""
The late Davy Jones followed Nesmith's example.
Only you could hear all the record....etc.
http://davyjones.bandcamp.com/album/live-in-tokyo-1999
::::::::
I like Harry Chapin...a lovely man,
do you see him much at music shops.
Some vids on his site.
http://www.harrychapinmusic.com/index.p ... Itemid=129
http://www.harrychapinfoodbank.org/inde ... -food-bank
Harry was a popular folk/rock performer
("Taxi," "Cats in the Cradle," "Circle")
who donated the proceeds from every other concert he gave to
end hunger. He also co-founded the organization World Hunger Year.
Harry spent a great deal of time on Capitol Hill, convincing members
of Congress and their staff to enact solutions to the solvable
problem of hunger.
Soundstage videos were good.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RDkmqmH ... ature=plcp
"""""""
What about the Kinks?? F..k all.
I have at least 26 LPs.
Can I get a DVD or cd of more exotic releases....nada.
Glastonbury 2010
Ray Davies dedicates "Waterloo Sunset" and "Days" to Pete Quaife
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n6hMWM_ ... re=related
Ever released....hmmm!!!
""""""
In Australia they never released the Sean Connery movie ....
Medicine Man on DVD.
Too hard...gee what shall I do.
Better not post that one.
"""""""""""
Try and find the kids series Tugs....a great tale..13 episodes.
oops >> no release on DVD.
" TUGS is Thomas' sister series "
Enjoy this one.
" A new Tugboat called Sunshine arrives in Bigg City Port to help the
Star Fleet whilst they dock a liner "
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OJynWwy ... re=related
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9sR46mh ... re=related
""""""""""""
Well...what can I say?
Will I post another Billy Connolly link for all those
whingeing media wankers?
Chris.
Also, it has annoyed me in the past that those of up who install dosbox or dosemu or actual dos on a older computer, cannot legally download the old games to run in dos. Also you cant buy dos itself anymore.
I really wish that the game copyright owners would have a site that you can download the back catalog of games from and they can charge a fee of like $1 or something. This would amount to an appreciable profit for these companies.
Also i what annoys me is that games cost $100 when first released, wait a few months or a year, its down to $29 or so, then wait another year or 2 and its priced at $10. Then wait another year or 2 for it to drop to $5 and it never happens, and the game is no longer available. I dont understand this. I dont expect the game to continue dropping down in price to 5 cents, but isnt it better to sell something for $5 (the game company would still make a clean $1 or $2 profit) than not to sell it at all. If games where $5 each then i would buy many of these every month. However, once the game is off the shelves there is no legal way to obtain it, and if caught pirating, you get sued for loss of income.... well the income was zero. yeah i dont mind paying $0 but the fine is like $50,000. Some older games are a part of our culture and shouldnt be forgotten.
sickgut:
just to let you know Sickie that I wasn't having a go at you.
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Remember Sony >>> stuck a trojan on your computer when you
inserted a cd to play.
"On Friday, Sony responded to the furor and announced that it will suspend production of CDs that contain this particular copy-protection technology and take a second look at its digital rights management strategy."
And it didn't ask you...it just did it.
http://news.cnet.com/FAQ-Sonys-rootkit- ... 46760.html
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How many people buy a game which states explicitly it will
run on this and that machine.
Result...won't load....can't load...or runs like a dog.
"Oh! Sir....buy a better video card."
Which won't run something else.
And yet the demo often works.....
"""""
The creators of the World of Goo were pretty smart having a pay
what you want sale.
Of course they are not going to make what they want.
Bur number 1...I'm told it was a great game.
They lifted their profile.
Created an instant user base.
Future releases will draw in the money.
http://2dboy.com/2009/10/26/pay-what-yo ... e-wrap-up/
http://2dboy.com/
" For comparison, during the same period of time after the iOS launch,
we sold about 180,000 copies.
This is not a fair comparison for a variety reasons,
but it does indicate that the Android Market is no longer the tiny upstart
it was a year or two ago.
Another thing worth pointing out is that even though most of the
time the Android Market top 10 list contains only freemium/F2P games,
there is an opportunity for high visibility paid games to do very
well on Android "
Pay-What-You-Want Birthday Sale Wrap-up
http://www.2dboy.com/games.php
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Chris.
just to let you know Sickie that I wasn't having a go at you.
::::::
Remember Sony >>> stuck a trojan on your computer when you
inserted a cd to play.
"On Friday, Sony responded to the furor and announced that it will suspend production of CDs that contain this particular copy-protection technology and take a second look at its digital rights management strategy."
And it didn't ask you...it just did it.
http://news.cnet.com/FAQ-Sonys-rootkit- ... 46760.html
:::::::
How many people buy a game which states explicitly it will
run on this and that machine.
Result...won't load....can't load...or runs like a dog.
"Oh! Sir....buy a better video card."
Which won't run something else.
And yet the demo often works.....
"""""
The creators of the World of Goo were pretty smart having a pay
what you want sale.
Of course they are not going to make what they want.
Bur number 1...I'm told it was a great game.
They lifted their profile.
Created an instant user base.
Future releases will draw in the money.
http://2dboy.com/2009/10/26/pay-what-yo ... e-wrap-up/
http://2dboy.com/
" For comparison, during the same period of time after the iOS launch,
we sold about 180,000 copies.
This is not a fair comparison for a variety reasons,
but it does indicate that the Android Market is no longer the tiny upstart
it was a year or two ago.
Another thing worth pointing out is that even though most of the
time the Android Market top 10 list contains only freemium/F2P games,
there is an opportunity for high visibility paid games to do very
well on Android "
Pay-What-You-Want Birthday Sale Wrap-up
http://www.2dboy.com/games.php
""""""""""""'
Chris.
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bark_bark_bark
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- Location: Wisconsin USA
That's why it's called abandonware, and downloading it free is LEGAL. But if you want a 100% Genuine copy (example: Doom), use Steam (but you need windows).Also, it has annoyed me in the past that those of up who install dosbox or dosemu or actual dos on a older computer, cannot legally download the old games to run in dos. Also you cant buy dos itself anymore.
EDIT: SOPA tecnically says this
So M$ could say that this All puppy linux sites are illegal and the FBI would shut it down, just so M$ could get more people to come back.We lose the LEGAL sites & freedom of speech...
....
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Bruce B
If I buy a CD Disc, I own the disc. As its owner, I can loan it to a friend. I can sell it. I can put my collection in my last will and testament.
Also, I can play it as many times as I please and so can you. Neither the studio or the artists get any extra money.
Also, the CD Disc should have the best quality recording the public can obtain.
In a sense, I'm against buying online music, because we don't have same rights. Also, please note the above rights are pretty much in the distribution and business model of the recording industry. The model does not provide any extra money for the artists regardless of the number of times it is sold, given away, played or traded.
I buy and sometimes sell used music on CD format. The music industry and artists don't make any extra profit. And this; buying, selling and swapping the CD is not an illegal activity.
We have some laws that protect our rights and limit the rights of the copyright holder. Specifically, "First-sale doctrine"
First sale doctrine, for more information click this link
Also, I can play it as many times as I please and so can you. Neither the studio or the artists get any extra money.
Also, the CD Disc should have the best quality recording the public can obtain.
In a sense, I'm against buying online music, because we don't have same rights. Also, please note the above rights are pretty much in the distribution and business model of the recording industry. The model does not provide any extra money for the artists regardless of the number of times it is sold, given away, played or traded.
I buy and sometimes sell used music on CD format. The music industry and artists don't make any extra profit. And this; buying, selling and swapping the CD is not an illegal activity.
We have some laws that protect our rights and limit the rights of the copyright holder. Specifically, "First-sale doctrine"
First sale doctrine, for more information click this link
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Bruce B
Sorry to butt in but I saw this and had to comment
If you are a student in a school CS department and your school is part of the Microsoft Developer Network Academic Alliance, you can download a copy of 5.0 gratis from Microsoft. Ditto if you are a Microsoft Partner (OEM).
But why go through the hassle when you could use freedos?
http://www.freedos.org/
Oh, and for the record, I hate MSDNAA because it impedes GNU/Linux adoption in schools. I would much rather learn C++ on GNU/Linux.
Regarding your initial point,
I can see why that might happen, but mostly I notice things just seem to have gotten more visible. Pirated material has always been available if you know where to look. By visible I mean high profile news.Maybe there's a spike in youtube, but the real places to go have always been Pirates Bay or Demonoid. SOPA just made it an issue on everyone's minds. Kind of like the DARE program to get rid of drugs. They found that certain kinds of anti-drug education actually INCREASED usage of illegal substances. Maybe you are right in thinking SOPA has done the same.
Dave_G:
+1
I made that argument in favor of legit purchasing on a pro-SOPA blog.
Something else I said though was that DRM was just as evil and likely to turn me off as a customer. They really are bringing this on themselves. I'm not saying that justifies piracy, but why shouldn't I be able to play DVD's that have been legitly purchased on the platform of my choice with whatever codec I wish? As I said on the SOPA blog, If they really want to keep good customers, they have to make legal purchasing easier and free'er (DRM wise) than the alternatives. I must have POed some people there because I never got a response.
You certainly can.Also you cant buy dos itself anymore
If you are a student in a school CS department and your school is part of the Microsoft Developer Network Academic Alliance, you can download a copy of 5.0 gratis from Microsoft. Ditto if you are a Microsoft Partner (OEM).
But why go through the hassle when you could use freedos?
http://www.freedos.org/
Oh, and for the record, I hate MSDNAA because it impedes GNU/Linux adoption in schools. I would much rather learn C++ on GNU/Linux.
Regarding your initial point,
I can see why that might happen, but mostly I notice things just seem to have gotten more visible. Pirated material has always been available if you know where to look. By visible I mean high profile news.Maybe there's a spike in youtube, but the real places to go have always been Pirates Bay or Demonoid. SOPA just made it an issue on everyone's minds. Kind of like the DARE program to get rid of drugs. They found that certain kinds of anti-drug education actually INCREASED usage of illegal substances. Maybe you are right in thinking SOPA has done the same.
Dave_G:
+1
I made that argument in favor of legit purchasing on a pro-SOPA blog.
Something else I said though was that DRM was just as evil and likely to turn me off as a customer. They really are bringing this on themselves. I'm not saying that justifies piracy, but why shouldn't I be able to play DVD's that have been legitly purchased on the platform of my choice with whatever codec I wish? As I said on the SOPA blog, If they really want to keep good customers, they have to make legal purchasing easier and free'er (DRM wise) than the alternatives. I must have POed some people there because I never got a response.
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Bruce B
In FOSS we basically give the software away under very easy to use and understand licensing terms.
Will this in and of itself stop a company such as Sony from installing root kits and making FOSS software their proprietary product?
Do any of you recall when Sony installed the root kit software on Windows machines?
Sorry, but I don't recall as much as I'd like. But as I recall some Attorney General of New York took them to account. Also lawsuits were filed by others.
I'm not a lawyer and don't think like them, maybe I think more like a cop or an investigator or something.
If for example we catch a burglar we, if we are reasoning, never think that the crime we caught her at was her only crime. We figure she probably has more crimes she's not been caught at.
She has an MO and if she breaks the law here, she probably breaks it there also. We look to see if the other crimes have a similar MO, maybe we can get her for more.
I started watching Internet postings very carefully after the root kit cat was out of the bag. I was looking for something in particular - more crimes which means to an investigator any hint or clue of a crime.
As I recall Sony used two vendors in their copy protection scheme. But they were only caught for one. I think that company was in Arizona.
I read on a forum where a guy was looking for a root kit and stumbled on something a little odd, it didn't fit the description of the now famous root kit.
I thought this is what I was looking for. As I didn't run Windows at the time or have any CDs from the UK version of the copy protection scheme, it would be difficult for me to test.
So I persuaded the person who wrote the oddity on the forum to test and continue reporting results and test again. He was happy to do the tests, but didn't know how we can prove it. I assured him we may not need to.
With his tests done I was satisfied that Sony's UK vendor was guilty also.
I think what happened next was our conversation and testing on the one forum got forwarded to BoingBoing. And within about ten days or less, the Attorney General from New York amended his complaint to include the UK vendor's dirty deeds.
Then as I recall, our LAME, I think it was LAME discovered its software being implemented in the Sony CD.
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Changing the subject - about using the word Pirate for those one thinks broke copyright law. This is all about laws, permissions, rights and protection, right?
In some other situation, again as I recall, some RIAA attorneys were referring to accused file sharers as pirates. The judge told them don't even use that word. The lawyers did it again and the judge was pissed, real pissed. When a judge tells an attorney not to do something and he does it anyway, this will of course piss the judge off.
Why wasn't it OK to refer to the accused as Pirates?
Well, suppose I take a wife to court and my attorney insists on referring to her as a Harlot, the judge will instruct the attorney to knock it off.
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Does being accused of intentional copyright violation in litigation mean the accused is guilty?
Of course not, we find there is no principle which says the plaintiff is innocent and truthful while the defendant is a guilty liar.
Insofar as the recording and movie industry they are found to be involved in a myriad of IP disputes at any given moment and often are the defendants.
Of course, they can be guilty as sin when it comes to mis-using others IP or not paying residuals, or not honoring the understandings in contracts and etc.
I suppose if I wanted to discover serious and habitual IP violators I'd do well to go into the middle of the Movie and Recording Industries.
Regardless of what we might find, we don't call them pirates.
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An item of interest to me.
There has been an increasing tendency among Judges to resist the RIAA and their abuse of the legal system. I mean that Judges have actually said things to such extent and refuse to cooperate with their schemes.
I don't think the file sharers or the entertainment industry is made of of Saints. Which means to say, sometimes there aren't many 'good guys' and I think this is one of those times.
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Will this in and of itself stop a company such as Sony from installing root kits and making FOSS software their proprietary product?
Do any of you recall when Sony installed the root kit software on Windows machines?
Sorry, but I don't recall as much as I'd like. But as I recall some Attorney General of New York took them to account. Also lawsuits were filed by others.
I'm not a lawyer and don't think like them, maybe I think more like a cop or an investigator or something.
If for example we catch a burglar we, if we are reasoning, never think that the crime we caught her at was her only crime. We figure she probably has more crimes she's not been caught at.
She has an MO and if she breaks the law here, she probably breaks it there also. We look to see if the other crimes have a similar MO, maybe we can get her for more.
I started watching Internet postings very carefully after the root kit cat was out of the bag. I was looking for something in particular - more crimes which means to an investigator any hint or clue of a crime.
As I recall Sony used two vendors in their copy protection scheme. But they were only caught for one. I think that company was in Arizona.
I read on a forum where a guy was looking for a root kit and stumbled on something a little odd, it didn't fit the description of the now famous root kit.
I thought this is what I was looking for. As I didn't run Windows at the time or have any CDs from the UK version of the copy protection scheme, it would be difficult for me to test.
So I persuaded the person who wrote the oddity on the forum to test and continue reporting results and test again. He was happy to do the tests, but didn't know how we can prove it. I assured him we may not need to.
With his tests done I was satisfied that Sony's UK vendor was guilty also.
I think what happened next was our conversation and testing on the one forum got forwarded to BoingBoing. And within about ten days or less, the Attorney General from New York amended his complaint to include the UK vendor's dirty deeds.
Then as I recall, our LAME, I think it was LAME discovered its software being implemented in the Sony CD.
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Changing the subject - about using the word Pirate for those one thinks broke copyright law. This is all about laws, permissions, rights and protection, right?
In some other situation, again as I recall, some RIAA attorneys were referring to accused file sharers as pirates. The judge told them don't even use that word. The lawyers did it again and the judge was pissed, real pissed. When a judge tells an attorney not to do something and he does it anyway, this will of course piss the judge off.
Why wasn't it OK to refer to the accused as Pirates?
Well, suppose I take a wife to court and my attorney insists on referring to her as a Harlot, the judge will instruct the attorney to knock it off.
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Does being accused of intentional copyright violation in litigation mean the accused is guilty?
Of course not, we find there is no principle which says the plaintiff is innocent and truthful while the defendant is a guilty liar.
Insofar as the recording and movie industry they are found to be involved in a myriad of IP disputes at any given moment and often are the defendants.
Of course, they can be guilty as sin when it comes to mis-using others IP or not paying residuals, or not honoring the understandings in contracts and etc.
I suppose if I wanted to discover serious and habitual IP violators I'd do well to go into the middle of the Movie and Recording Industries.
Regardless of what we might find, we don't call them pirates.
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An item of interest to me.
There has been an increasing tendency among Judges to resist the RIAA and their abuse of the legal system. I mean that Judges have actually said things to such extent and refuse to cooperate with their schemes.
I don't think the file sharers or the entertainment industry is made of of Saints. Which means to say, sometimes there aren't many 'good guys' and I think this is one of those times.
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Another thing I'd like to mention is all of us have been accused of extreme copyright violation. The extent of which means we can't use Linux Kernel and other FOSS software and must license Linux as binary only and under draconian licensing terms.
Am I serious? Yes! SCO, the accuser, took it serious. IBM and Novell and RedHat and Chrysler as well as a large Auto Parts chain (AutoZone?) took it serious and had to defend themselves.
Basically, when you been told you are using stolen copyrighted material this can legally qualify you as a willing infringer and render your potential liability way serious, compared to one who didn't know.
Microsoft took it serious enough to funnel millions of dollars into SCO's coffers to help make sure they won and we lost the legal battle.
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You, all of us, have been accused by Microsoft of infringing of up to 400 plus of their patents by our use of Linux and Linux related software.
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Yes I'm serious. If you all didn't know you've been accused, now you know.
My question is what are you all going to do about it?
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Am I serious? Yes! SCO, the accuser, took it serious. IBM and Novell and RedHat and Chrysler as well as a large Auto Parts chain (AutoZone?) took it serious and had to defend themselves.
Basically, when you been told you are using stolen copyrighted material this can legally qualify you as a willing infringer and render your potential liability way serious, compared to one who didn't know.
Microsoft took it serious enough to funnel millions of dollars into SCO's coffers to help make sure they won and we lost the legal battle.
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You, all of us, have been accused by Microsoft of infringing of up to 400 plus of their patents by our use of Linux and Linux related software.
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Yes I'm serious. If you all didn't know you've been accused, now you know.
My question is what are you all going to do about it?
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Well, android devices are quite popular and relatively inexpensive. On the Nexus 7, when you download a google book using the default reader, you won't even be able to find it. There are plenty of available readers, however, that download to a directory that you can access. I think for the computer savvy user, there will always be plenty of options.Bruce B wrote:
Yes I'm serious. If you all didn't know you've been accused, now you know.
My question is what are you all going to do about it?
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