Muppylinux-001b-211 and 003-211 for testing

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thegeekster · #21 Post by **thegeekster** » Fri 27 Oct 2006, 07:30

MU wrote:yes, that's normal.
I'll have to check if I can add a pre-built menu safely (concerning updates that might be a bit problematic).

But I think the current solution to click on "rebuild menu" is not too difficult to understand.

Fine that you like it

Mark

Okay. I think I can live with refreshing the menu.....

Right now, I'm currently installing Muppy to my pen drive.......this way I won't have to load to ram and still get good performance (although I do have enough ram to spare)

thegeekster · #22 Post by **thegeekster** » Fri 27 Oct 2006, 08:18

A big w00t!..........Have Muppy installed to the pen drive and everything's working great....

I must say, this is a speedy little distro and it looks like I have a portable distro I'm comfortable with.............A big thanx to Barry for the original Puppy, and to Mark for this fine Puppy derivative.......

---thegeekster

Nevermore · #23 Post by **Nevermore** » Fri 27 Oct 2006, 11:18

Mark do u know if i can simply update from puppy pro to your muppy w/o deleting pupsave?

#24 Post by MU » Fri 27 Oct 2006, 12:29

Nevermore, make a backup of pup_save.3fs, then try it.
On which Puppy is based PuppyPro?
Look in /etc/puppyversion to find it out.

A general problem could be this:
If you modified some files that come in the iso like .xinitrc, then those are loaded instead the one in the iso (because they are saved back using unionfs).
As I slightly modified .xinitrc, the autostart-roxapp might not work.
If your Puppy is based on 211, then this could help:
set the 211 in /etc/puppyversion to 210.
Then reboot with Muppy.
Then Muppy should update some of your existing files in pup_save.3fs with Muppys versions.

However I did not make many changes, mostly just added some things, so it might also work "out of the box".
Gxine was replaced with a new script because of a libraryconflict with firefox.
To run icewm, you could type after closing down JWM if it runs by default:
xwin starticewm

To activate grafics-accelleration, run xorgwizard again.

Mark

Nevermore · #25 Post by **Nevermore** » Fri 27 Oct 2006, 12:36

mark is based on puppy 2.10
i suppose is not needed any change..

#26 Post by MU » Fri 27 Oct 2006, 12:39

yes, then it should update everything.
But be shure to make a backup of pup_save.3fs, you never know...
A backup takes one minute, but repairing a messed up file without backup can take hours or days.
Mark

daw · #27 Post by **daw** » Fri 27 Oct 2006, 14:12

Seems to be running pretty well on a 128MB, Pent II computer, all in RAM (for the moment, since I only have room for 1 sfs file and am using it for 2.02)!
Very nice.
Small notes:
the three icons in the corners of windows for shrink, max and kill behave very strange. They all seem to be copies of the cpu usage icon from the bottom right.

i can't seem to find the gcombust-like data cd writer

i can't seem to find the "find" utilities.

Thanks

#28 Post by MU » Fri 27 Oct 2006, 15:07

the three icons in the corners of windows for shrink, max and kill behave very strange. They all seem to be copies of the cpu usage icon from the bottom right.

I have no idea, what this can be

Does it happen with every theme?

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i can't seem to find the gcombust-like data cd writer

i can't seem to find the "find" utilities.

They are there, but my XDG-menuconverter seems to work incorrect.

Until I found a solution, you can do this:
click on the second button right of the menu, and choose "edit menu-preferences".

Set the values like this:

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usejwm=1
usexdg=1
usedotpups=1
usekde=1

I will try to correct the standalone-XDG-menu today.
Mark

daw · #29 Post by **daw** » Fri 27 Oct 2006, 15:55

Thanks for the prompt response!

usejwm=1, fix works perfect. i now see addditional menu items including find and gcombust.

switching themes does, as you suspect, solve strange icons issue. puppy-xp/no problem, RevolutionX/no problem, back to the default/problem.

Very nice version!

ragtof · #30 Post by **ragtof** » Fri 27 Oct 2006, 21:16

hello Mark and other puppy-lover,
i've booting on muppy,and it's a very good job.
but when I clic on install hd .......just windows of console open......and nothing append!!
how to install muppy on my hdd ?
normaly,I clic on setup>>install puppy hard drive
but in muppy ......don't work.
what do you think ?
have you make a test of HD install?
I download an other iso and burn an other cd ?
this version of puppy is very "interssante" for me
merci mark

#31 Post by MU » Fri 27 Oct 2006, 21:38

It might be, that such a rebuilt Puppy can not be installed to harddisk.
But you can use it as a frugal installation.
This is the way, I use it myself.
You need a bootmanager (grub), then copy some files from the CD to the harddisk.

How to install Grub was already described very often.
It depends on the way your computer currently is set up.
Beside the forum, this may help:
http://puppylinux.org/wikka/TextSearch?phrase=grub

Here is a short description of a frugal installation after you have grub:
http://www.murga.org/%7Epuppy/viewtopic ... 4984#74984

Mark

#32 Post by MU » Fri 27 Oct 2006, 23:30

Ah, found the reason.
The menu shows a script, that is no longer available.

Use my solution to display the JWM-menu described above on this page (usejwm=1).
Then choose
setup - Puppy universal installer
to install Puppy to the harddrive.

The non-existing script will no longer be shown, when I "repaired" the menu-system, but I can not finish it today.

Mark

#33 Post by MU » Sat 28 Oct 2006, 03:04

I updated the servicepack-dotpup.

http://dotpups.de/dotpups/Muppylinux/Mu ... cepack.pup (40 kb)

It should fix the issues with the menu, so now you also should be able to install Muppy on a harddrive (but I recommend the frugal harddrive-installation, as it has several advantages and less bugs

).
New:the KDE-menu now uses XDG too (the old one from icewm was static).

I also included version 1.1 of the CD-ripper (old one was 0.5).

Please tell me any other bugs you find

Mark

Fishy · #34 Post by **Fishy** » Sat 28 Oct 2006, 03:28

Sorry to be a pain but after using the service pack there is no reference to the Puppy/Muppy harddrive installer in the menu.

Also in a earlier post you mentioned entering usejwm = 1 but I =cannot find the location to enter the command (noob).

#35 Post by MU » Sat 28 Oct 2006, 05:08

Click on "refresh menu" in the menu.
Then you should have
setup - Puppy universal installer

Does that work?
Mark

Sage · #36 Post by **Sage** » Sat 28 Oct 2006, 06:22

Your d/l is 150K, Mark! I suspect perhaps that the fix itself is 40K and the total package, including CDripper 1.1 amounts to 150K? Thanks, anyway.

#37 Post by MU » Sat 28 Oct 2006, 06:38

updated the servicepack, added:
- the modified "brushed" Gtk-theme. Looks cool with the Icewm-themes "brushed".
- the Dotpupwizard with trayicon
- my newsticker
- missing .desktop-files for the XDG-menu.

Size is now 315 kb.

Mark

Sage · #38 Post by **Sage** » Sat 28 Oct 2006, 12:59

OK, OK! Anything else you want to tell us about?!
Having used John's MeanPup for a while, it would be nice if folks could agree that Opera be the default browser. Meaner, faster, leaner. I'm sure they'll get their email client tarted up soon.

#39 Post by MU » Sat 28 Oct 2006, 18:46

no Sage, Muppy is right the contrast of Meanpup.
Meanpup is slim and stripped down, while Muppy adds this toy and that utility without the wish to optimize it as much as possible concerning resources.
The idea is:
If I already have a fast computer (because I used it for Windows XP before), then I can afford the luxury of opulent programs.

Muppy will be tested in our sportsclub as a replacement for XP, so the basic concept stays as it is now. They already use Firefox there, and Muppy shall mimic more or less that functionality.

For people with older machines I recomment to try optimized Isos like Meanpup.

Mark

Sage · #40 Post by **Sage** » Sun 29 Oct 2006, 06:52

Fair enough - I can manage both approaches!!

I ran your latest 308K patch and refreshed the menu but the hard drive installation routine still failed to appear?? As you know, I prefer to swap HD s around amongst my junk piles for a plethora of reasons.

I also had the shutdown issue on the chassis I tested it on. One of Barry's recent incarnations opened the CD tray prior to shutoff, following Klaus' strategy. Maybe you could incorporate this, too?

I think we advised you against choosing the name "Muppy" on a previous occasion? Sounds too much like "Muppet", which is a considerably derogatory term in the English-speaking world, although I can see why it might seem attractive based on your initials. It also loses the canine connection. Rotweiler might be more appropriate, but Alsation has a better Press (German Shepherd being too clumsy). Please think very seriously about this as it would be unfortunate if you lost credibility based on bad name selection. Remember, commercial operators spend an huge percentage of their marketing budget on selecting the 'best' name!

Whatever, thanks again, Mark.

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