Imminent hard drive failure

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scientist · #1 Post by **scientist** » Sun 29 May 2016, 18:20

On bootup I am getting

1720 Smart hard drive detects imminent failure. (Failing attrib 5)

Backup hard drive and run HDD self test.

HDD self test said failed drive.

Can I transfer the drive to an external drive and boot to it?

Burn_IT · #2 Post by **Burn_IT** » Sun 29 May 2016, 21:44

Unlikely and I wouldn't even try.
The best thing you can do is stop using it immediately, get a second drive, boot into a disk clone utility from a CD or USB stick and clone the bad to the new and hope it lasts long enough to clone.

When a disk starts to fail it usually goes into self destruct mode very quickly.

scientist · #3 Post by **scientist** » Sun 29 May 2016, 21:50

Computer is HP 6730b. Rather old.

See if I can find another drive.

Burn_IT · #4 Post by **Burn_IT** » Sun 29 May 2016, 22:00

That is newer than any machine I have.
If it has the supplied disk it is 320Gb SATA 7200rpm which are quite common on ebay especially if you are happy with a 5400rpm one.

dogle · #5 Post by **dogle** » Sun 29 May 2016, 23:20

Recently I also had a hard drive "titsup-soon!" warning on bootup.

This was entirely plausible, because:

- I'm running an old box with a couple of very old HDDs.
- I've let one of my partitions get nearly full.
- I've had some file corruption probs following a forced shutdown.

Naturally I am backing up vigorously, but I am very keen to know how the warning is triggered - I'm sure my drives are way too old do anything very 'smart', so presumably there is a mechanism, of which I was unaware, within the boot process? If so, is it BIOS-generated, or e.g. a feature lurking within the Linux kernel?

(I'm running 4.3.1 multisession).

bigpup · #6 Post by **bigpup** » Sun 29 May 2016, 23:42

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S.M.A.R.T.

dogle · #7 Post by **dogle** » Mon 30 May 2016, 00:02

Hmmm. Thanks, Bigpup.

musher0 · #8 Post by **musher0** » Mon 30 May 2016, 02:54

Hello all.

Here is an over-lapping thread on the subject, not too old, which you may find of interest.

BFN.

Burn_IT · #9 Post by **Burn_IT** » Mon 30 May 2016, 11:01

I once had a disk that used to scream and groan like a banshee on power up.
SMART kept telling me it was about to fail so I cloned it to a new drive and as an experiment ran it in parallel mode with the new drive. It was three years of daily 6 hour use before it eventually actually threw a parity error.

musher0 · #10 Post by **musher0** » Mon 30 May 2016, 14:50

@scientist:

If you have a little money, it's well worth replacing your failing spinning drive with a
Solid State Drive (SSD). Some dealers in this area let go 240Gb's SSD's for +/-
$85 - $90 (in CAD$).

The difference in speed on your old box will be like night and day. Lightning fast.
With an SSD installed, it's as if you were computing in RAM all the time.

Just a thought.

Sailor Enceladus · #11 Post by **Sailor Enceladus** » Mon 30 May 2016, 17:07

Burn_IT wrote:I once had a disk that used to scream and groan like a banshee on power up.
SMART kept telling me it was about to fail so I cloned it to a new drive and as an experiment ran it in parallel mode with the new drive. It was three years of daily 6 hour use before it eventually actually threw a parity error.

Oh yeah, I've had at least two of those. One was an 8.9" Acer Aspire One netbook, and one was an AMD desktop. If I just punch downwards at the top really hard a few times it would re-align itself and stop on both. No bad sectors on either though I think.

scientist · #12 Post by **scientist** » Tue 31 May 2016, 00:12

musher0 wrote:@scientist:

If you have a little money, it's well worth replacing your failing spinning drive with a
Solid State Drive (SSD). Some dealers in this area let go 240Gb's SSD's for +/-
$85 - $90 (in CAD$).

The difference in speed on your old box will be like night and day. Lightning fast.
With an SSD installed, it's as if you were computing in RAM all the time.

Just a thought.

I will consider it.

I am curious as to why Puppy gave no warning of the disk failure ?

bigpup · #13 Post by **bigpup** » Tue 31 May 2016, 00:21

I am curious as to why Puppy gave no warning of the disk failure ?

Did you not read the info on what smart is?

scientist · #14 Post by **scientist** » Tue 31 May 2016, 17:19

Yes, I did.

scientist · #15 Post by **scientist** » Tue 31 May 2016, 22:31

musher0 wrote:@scientist:

If you have a little money, it's well worth replacing your failing spinning drive with a
Solid State Drive (SSD). Some dealers in this area let go 240Gb's SSD's for +/-
$85 - $90 (in CAD$).

The difference in speed on your old box will be like night and day. Lightning fast.
With an SSD installed, it's as if you were computing in RAM all the time.

Just a thought.

I could not find an internal SSD for my hp 6730b.

bigpup · #16 Post by **bigpup** » Wed 01 Jun 2016, 07:14

I could not find an internal SSD for my hp 6730b.

Should be able to find a ssd that has a SATA interface.
The hard drive in the laptop should be SATA.
Just make sure it is SATA.

Only issue is the ssd will probably be SATA III and the laptop interface will probably be SATA II.
It will still work, but the speed will be limited to what SATA II can provide.
SATA II has bandwidth throughput 300 Mb/s.
SATA III has bandwidth throughput 600 Mb/s.

Try getting a ssd that has speed of around 300 Mb/s
Those will be the cheapest.
Why pay for speed you can not use with your interface.

Still should be way faster than a 5400 hard drive that is typically giving 30 to 50 Mb/s speeds.

Burn_IT · #17 Post by **Burn_IT** » Wed 01 Jun 2016, 11:29

Drives are not machine specific!!

Whoops paged on!!!

scientist · #18 Post by **scientist** » Wed 01 Jun 2016, 12:23

Burn_IT wrote:Drives are not machine specific!!

Whoops paged on!!!

Internal Drives for laptops and desktops are totally different in both size and interface.

Burn_IT · #19 Post by **Burn_IT** » Wed 01 Jun 2016, 12:43

Most modern drives are SATA and that interface is the same. I doubt you could find a SSD drive that isn't 2.5 drive size.

bigpup · #20 Post by **bigpup** » Wed 01 Jun 2016, 18:40

Just go to You Tube and look for how to install a SSD in a laptop.
SSd's are the same size as a laptop hard drive 2.5 inch.

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