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fredx181 · #101 Post by **fredx181** » Sun 06 Nov 2016, 09:48

belham2 wrote:It was all good. Know way was it your fault (or Rufwoof's). I was just joking ya both.

Yes, I knew you were joking, good to hear it all works out well for you, thanks for bringing the good news also.

Fred

greengeek · #102 Post by **greengeek** » Sun 06 Nov 2016, 18:16

belham2 wrote:Ugh...well, had some more time tonight to play with Qtweb browser, and sure enough, these problems (per what you asked about and is shown below in the pic) started popping up all over the place with sites that are "agglomeration 3rd party aggregator sites", like Yahoo, News sites, Sports sites, etc, etc.

I have a feeling that OscarTalks has produced a pet (or pets) that install(s) CA certificates to eliminate this problem. I haven't kept up to speed with the latest version (if there is one) but may be worth PMing him to see if still available. In all other respects I found QTWeb really good and still use it for some sites.

fredx181 · #103 Post by **fredx181** » Tue 08 Nov 2016, 11:40

*** DebianDog - Stretch preview ISO ***

New: DebianDog Sid Test ISO 2016-11-19, see below.

Based on the Debian 'testing' branch.

I made this mostly as a preparation for future DD-Stretch (stable) when Stretch becomes stable next year.
In time I will probably update the ISO a few times since (hopefully small) bugs are expected.
Built from Debian Stretch minimal netinstall. Almost setup the same as DebianDog-Jessie-openbox_xfce release.
Kernel: 4.7.0-1-686-pae
Drastic changes in Stretch! e.g. the filesystem hierarchy has changed.
Almost all binaries are in /usr/bin and all libraries in /usr/lib
/bin /sbin and /lib are symlinks. (ArchLinux has it this way for years, looks like Debian follows)
sysvinit (the older initscripts) still is supported (default in this DD), to use systemd add:
init=/bin/systemd to the kernel commandline

Stretch has many updates but can be made into a 'static' release (no updates):
(in my opinion this way is more suitable for a live distro, you can always change to today's date, e.g. in time, a month later, change to e.g. 20161208, and update then)
Backup first your /etc/apt/sources.list:

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cp -a /etc/apt/sources.list /etc/apt/sources.list.orig

Then edit sources.list like this (the "snapshot.debian.org" line to today's date):

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deb https://debiandog.github.io/Stretch/i386/Packages/ ./
deb http://snapshot.debian.org/archive/debian/20161108/ testing main contrib non-free

And uncomment Acquire::Check-Valid-Until "0"; in /etc/apt/apt.conf so becomes this:

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Acquire::Check-Valid-Until "0";

And update the package lists:

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apt-get update

It's a small step to dist-upgrade to Sid (unstable Debian branch)
Edit sources.list to become this:

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deb https://debiandog.github.io/Stretch/i386/Packages/ ./
deb http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/ sid main contrib non-free

Then:

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apt-get update
apt-get dist-upgrade

EDIT: 2016-11-14, New ISO uploaded, many fixes, e.g. live-boot works now, quick-remaster more stable, installer works (didn't work when formatting first inside Stretch, see also Workaround for yakkety(and Stretch) and more. Older ISO has been removed.
EDIT2: 2016-11-16 Sorry, re-uploaded 2016-11-14.iso, previously forgot to replace /etc/mke2fs.conf with the jessie version

Download Stretch ISO:
https://github.com/DebianDog/Stretch/re ... -11-14.iso
Md5sum:
https://github.com/DebianDog/Stretch/re ... -11-14.md5
DEVX:
https://github.com/DebianDog/Stretch/re ... h.squashfs

Update: Also Sid Test ISO available, download:
https://github.com/DebianDog/Sid/releas ... -11-19.iso
https://github.com/DebianDog/Sid/releas ... -11-19.md5

On Github: https://github.com/DebianDog/Stretch
https://github.com/DebianDog/Sid
Packages: https://debiandog.github.io/Stretch/i386/Packages/

EDIT: Quoted from here:
http://www.debianuserforums.org/viewtop ... 7844#p7844

Stable is for senior citizens and Sid is for kids. Be a man and run Testing.

Fred

backi · #104 Post by **backi** » Tue 08 Nov 2016, 14:01

Hi fred !

Seems your restless genius-mind is hungry-looking for a new challenge-frontier .
I am going to put it on a Usb-Stick and will fool around a bit with this Doggie .
Will give feedback .

Have a nice day

fredx181 · #105 Post by **fredx181** » Tue 08 Nov 2016, 14:49

backi wrote:Hi fred !

Seems your restless genius-mind is hungry-looking for a new challenge-frontier .
I am going to put it on a Usb-Stick and will fool around a bit with this Doggie .
Will give feedback .

Have a nice day

Thanks backi! Feedback would be much appreciated.
Yes, challenge is the right word, there were many problems to overcome.
e.g. no aufs support in the new Debian kernel (now 'overlayfs' is the new standard), but I did it the "Jessie way" by including aufs module in the initrd
And had to modify some packages because of the different filesystem hierarchy (need to check more for compatibility later)
So this should be considered as alpha release.

EDIT: Ooops... found a bug already, quick-remaster makes a remastered .squashfs, but it's incomplete, can't figure out why yet.
Remasterdog works fine though.
EDIT2: Mmm... seems like false alarm, tested quick-remaster a couple of times more and worked fine, must have done something wrong first time by manually removing stuff.

Fred

Keef · #106 Post by **Keef** » Tue 08 Nov 2016, 22:52

Quick test of Stretch has been successful.
Wifi and sound working ok, keyboard layout change needs a reboot to take effect rather than just restarting X, but that was the same with Jessie.

dancytron · #107 Post by **dancytron** » Wed 09 Nov 2016, 09:08

I also install Stretch on hard drive, porteus boot save on exit only.

Updated firefox, installed mesa drivers, did a GUI Quick Remaster. Everything seems to work.

I think I've said it before, but I like this desktop more than the tint2/jwm combination setup in DD64 and the Ubuntu Dogs.

Once again, great job.

fredx181 · #108 Post by **fredx181** » Wed 09 Nov 2016, 11:57

Thanks Keef & Dan

One thing is not working for me on Stretch: setting mouse acceleration from Settings > Keyboard and Mouse has no effect.
Fixed it by uninstalling libinput10 (also removes a few other packages depending on it) and restart X

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apt-get purge libinput10

I think I've said it before, but I like this desktop more than the tint2/jwm combination setup in DD64 and the Ubuntu Dogs.

Yes, me too (file size of ISO is larger with the xfce components included though)

Fred

backi · #109 Post by **backi** » Wed 09 Nov 2016, 16:22

Keef said:

Quick test of Stretch has been successful.
Wifi and sound working ok, keyboard layout change needs a reboot to take effect rather than just restarting X, but that was the same with Jessie.

same for me ..........just Ram usage seems to be a bit higher than Jessie (on my machine ) ......30 mega bytes higher .

Going to continue testing and reporting .

Keef · #110 Post by **Keef** » Wed 09 Nov 2016, 21:04

backi,

You are right, hadn't noticed before.
Booting to desktop (jwm) with no other apps apart from htop uses 80mb on Jessie, but 134mb with Stretch.

fredx181 · #111 Post by **fredx181** » Wed 09 Nov 2016, 21:57

backi wrote:same for me ..........just Ram usage seems to be a bit higher than Jessie (on my machine ) ......30 mega bytes higher

I think this is the same issue as discussed before, remember backi?

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Same as on XenialDog, the new htop version and conky show different (higher) RAM used than free and top.
Not much difference when just booted but after a while (when running some programs intensively, e.g. Firefox with many tabs open) the difference becomes very big.
Still don't know what to believe, htop or free.
Task Manager (lxtask) gives something in between for me.

Fred

belham2 · #112 Post by **belham2** » Wed 09 Nov 2016, 22:11

fredx181 wrote:
backi wrote:same for me ..........just Ram usage seems to be a bit higher than Jessie (on my machine ) ......30 mega bytes higher
I think this is the same issue as discussed before, remember backi? :
Fred

Nope. Nope. NOPE! You all stop right here & now. It is verboden, verboten, proibito, forbidden, prohibido, zabranjen, запрещено to entertain or even mention any discussion that has the words "memory amounts" and/or "ram usage level" when discussing Debian Dogs. You're allowed to talk about anything else under the sun except those terms----otherwise 10 years of black, horrid unimaginable bad luck will descend upon you and yours. No repeats here again!

Keef · #113 Post by **Keef** » Wed 09 Nov 2016, 23:01

...but, but, the numbers can't be wrong. I counted every byte by hand and weighed them. Or was that Smarties? I forget.

fredx181 · #114 Post by **fredx181** » Thu 10 Nov 2016, 09:25

top memory compared to higher jessie amounts free ram htop stretch usage level xenial amounts usage compared to htop memory stretch level top compared amounts usage level xenial free ram higher jessie htop mintpup memory compared to higher jessie amounts mintpup free ram htop stretch usage level xenial amounts usage compared to htop memory stretch level top compared amounts usage level xenial free ram higher jessie
htop memory compared to higher jessie amounts mintpup free ram htop stretch usage level xenial amounts usage compared to htop memory stretch level top compared amounts usage level xenial free ram higher jessie htop memory compared to
higher jessie amounts mintpup free ram htop stretch usage level xenial amounts usage compared to
htop memory stretch level top compared amounts usage level xenial free ram higher jessie htop memory compared to higher jessie amounts mintpup free ram htop stretch usage level
xenial amounts usage compared to htop memory stretch level top compared amounts usage level xenial free ram higher jessie htop memory compared to higher jessie amounts mintpup free ram htop stretch usage level xenial amounts usage compared

Ooops.. Sorry

Btw, XenialPup "suffers" from the same issue:
http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic. ... 150#931150
(and see William's comment further below)

Ok, I'll stop now

Fred

backi · #115 Post by **backi** » Thu 10 Nov 2016, 12:58

Hi all !

From my perspective ......

was sitting in my room...
.... slowly getting bored ...........asked myself ...how to get some action ?..... ........
So i thought to myself........how funny it would be to start a little Dog- Fight .

Seems it worked .

rufwoof · #116 Post by **rufwoof** » Thu 10 Nov 2016, 13:58

I'm with Barbossa

you must be a Linux user for the code to apply. And the code is more what you'd call "guidelines" than actual rules

Memory gets partitioned into disk cache, application data and free space. The system works well when that sharing/usage is best proportioned. A large amount of free space is wasteful if just left idle. Memory utilisation is very dynamic and any measures of that utilisation at any one time is at best just a guide. Is the system constantly red-lining ... no, then the system is running OK.

fredx181 · #117 Post by **fredx181** » Thu 10 Nov 2016, 23:25

*** Dogradio new version (small fixes) and Youtube Demo ***
See at Edit7 here:
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewto ... 507#854507

Fred

Robert123 · #118 Post by **Robert123** » Fri 11 Nov 2016, 00:14

fredx181 wrote:*** Dogradio new version (small fixes) and Youtube Demo ***
See at Edit7 here:
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewto ... 507#854507

Fred

Running this in Debian - very nice Fred thank you.

backi · #119 Post by **backi** » Tue 15 Nov 2016, 11:56

Hi !

Debian-Dog Jessie is quite boring....rock-solid.....totally nothing to break and to fix.As hard as you try .

Everything just works.........What a fuck...!!!

Hang Fire
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3xbtlW16Gts

fredx181 · #120 Post by **fredx181** » Tue 15 Nov 2016, 21:07

New DD-Stretch ISO, many fixes, on it's way to stable!!
see EDIT 2016-11-14 here:
EDIT: 2016-11-16 Sorry, re-uploaded 2016-11-14.iso, previously forgot to replace /etc/mke2fs.conf with the jessie version
http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic. ... 862#931862

Fred

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