Sorry, Pelo, I have really no idea what you are talking about, except, yes, I think sc0ttman's described new commandline-capable package manager would be very useful for Puppy systems. I have no plans to release any live CD (?) and doesn't bother me what the 'passengers' you describe do or don't do. Why should I? Anyway, I don't. Just use what you like (it is free afterall) and don't use what you don't like. You sound like you don't want developments - without it you will have nothing unless you buy Apple machine or Microsoft (or just use your android). Main thing is, have you nothing better to do than come on and complain about not getting things the way you want? Does complaining make you feel more important on Puppy community? It seems you are not alone. That's fine, but best if you don't do so on threads concerned with developing new things - the developers need space to focus on their work not listen to the ranters of whom there are too many (and growing in number for some reason it seems). People used to say how nice this forum was. I've been on it a long time, but truth is it is becoming quite painful doing developments on here - so maybe all developers should listen to you and just tell you how to get your wireless working (if possible) and not try to build better wireless tools so people have no such problems in the first case?Pelo wrote: wiak do you really need PPM, or it was only to underline that DebianDog system works fine ? Debian computers cannot be unchained. Laptops are serviceable indoor only.
Would you try to draw some Puppy passengers ? I use both OS (XenialDog and 360 Puppies, in my jukebox). Puppy users compile pets for the communauty, when Dogs will ask their passengers (Wireless) if they are any, to do it themselves.
We shall see when your live CD released if newbies happy with Debian Package management. Most newbies come from Windows, and never compute before, and don't want to begin. But i recognize that Dogs are really easy to use. Happy, Wiak ?
DebianDogs work well (and Debian helps a lot with that I think). As a developer, I think Fred is enjoying himself again (which is a good thing). I think he was beginning to not enjoy development work for a while before that, and not surprising. Me too, I left the forum altogether because so fed up of it, but had some unfinished work that interested me so came back with old group login ID. Toni became fed up too it seems, but I'm not sure if he is even developing anything new or not now. 01micko? - I don't know what his plans are - most developers seem to have vanished to a large extent into quietness (leaving the forum to the customer rants and argumentative trolls - who believe in conspiracies by opportunist 'alpha dogs' and malicious developer 'propaganda' - so ridiculous it's not funny). Indeed, I think a lot of people who used to develop are pulling back on doing so much development work and maybe will become an extinct species eventually. Then the forum will maybe work the way you want it, and people can help each other out all the time with what is left to play with. "Puppy customer forum". Ten years from now you can then enjoy using your ancient Puppy (and DebianDogs) of 2017! But not have developers to complain about (so what will you do to enjoy yourself then?).
Anyway, best to ignore all rants. I will stop ranting now cos I am only interested in improving Puppy because its survival as a creative OS distribution is of importance to me (for the moment anyway, but I get tired of the crap surrounding working on here). I don't agree that there is such a thing as a customer here or a passenger for that matter; there are just forum members enjoying using Puppy (and Dogs) for whatever reason they want to.
By the way, in case you don't know, I am developing 'makepup', which is 'just' a frontend of mine for using woof-CE to help build new Puppy distributions (dependent on what other developers add to woof-CE). Perhaps you think that has something to do with producing a DebianDog - No - it's Puppy-only. Maybe you confuse it with mklive-stretch by Fred - that's DebianDog in scripted form. Don't waste you time comparing - the systems have different good and bad points. If you want to discuss that maybe find a suitable topic area and start a thread for your nattering. If you are totally lost for an idea of something useful/productive today, why not take up the job of maintaining the Wiki - give it the LTS you demand - write it in French - really I don't mind - good to involve the international community more in my opinion. Someone would end up making a Polish, or German, or even English translation eventually I'm sure. Good Luck with that or the nattering...
wiak
https://github.com/wiake?tab=repositories
https://github.com/DebianDog