Situation: have hp stream 11 with realtek 8822 wifi nic, no other nic. would like bionicdog amd64 full install as OS but doesn't recognize 8822 card out of the box.
Hope: 99-bionic_linux-firmware.squashfs has 8822 firmware/driver.
Questions: Is it possible to add 99-bionic_linux-firmware.squashfs to bionicdog running in ram without working nic? If so, how?
Note: Current OS Lubuntu recognizes 8822 nic out of the box; e.g., can get 99-bionic_linux-firmware.squashfs downloaded within reach of bionicdog running from cd, just can't dowload directly to running dog.
99-bionic_linux-firmware.squashfs?
Hi jmb23930,
Ignore rufwoof. Apparently, he doesn't like change and is single-handedly attempting to build a Wall. That said, he's almost correct. It's best to post questions regarding "DebianDogs" to their respective threads, such as here: http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic. ... 363#989363.
Puppies are almost exclusively created (or remastered from Puppies so created) using Woof, a program created by Barry Kauler --who created the first Puppies. One of Barry K's objectives in that creation was to enable the use of binaries created and maintained by other Linux Organizations --such as debian, Ubuntu and Slackware-- and the applications created and maintained by those organizations instead of always having to compile everything from "source". DebianDogs and "UbuntuDogs" are created using tools available from those "organizations" to produce Live Media. What the Devs who post to this Forum about DebianDogs have done is to modify the debian/Ubuntu Live operating systems so that they 'look and act' very similar to Puppies. But even when a version of Puppy and a version of a "DebianDog" provides access to the same repositories, they are substantially different operating systems, each with its own strengths, weaknesses and peculiarities.
I've followed the development of the 'DebianDogs' on this Forum almost from their beginning. My opinion is that Puppy Linux has benefited from that association -- from the contributions which those primarily interested in the DebianDogs have made to Puppy (Firefox Quantum comes immediately to mind), the ideas for improving Puppy (e.g., Puppy-get and Pkg - CLI package manager) and to wiak's development or improvement of scripts making it easier for non-experts to create either Puppies or Dogs.
But as I said, Puppies and Dogs are different systems [and just as it is appropriate when a specific thread exists for carrying out discussions about a specific Puppy] when a specific Dog thread exists, questions and comments about it should be posted to its thread.
mikesLr
Ignore rufwoof. Apparently, he doesn't like change and is single-handedly attempting to build a Wall. That said, he's almost correct. It's best to post questions regarding "DebianDogs" to their respective threads, such as here: http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic. ... 363#989363.
Puppies are almost exclusively created (or remastered from Puppies so created) using Woof, a program created by Barry Kauler --who created the first Puppies. One of Barry K's objectives in that creation was to enable the use of binaries created and maintained by other Linux Organizations --such as debian, Ubuntu and Slackware-- and the applications created and maintained by those organizations instead of always having to compile everything from "source". DebianDogs and "UbuntuDogs" are created using tools available from those "organizations" to produce Live Media. What the Devs who post to this Forum about DebianDogs have done is to modify the debian/Ubuntu Live operating systems so that they 'look and act' very similar to Puppies. But even when a version of Puppy and a version of a "DebianDog" provides access to the same repositories, they are substantially different operating systems, each with its own strengths, weaknesses and peculiarities.
I've followed the development of the 'DebianDogs' on this Forum almost from their beginning. My opinion is that Puppy Linux has benefited from that association -- from the contributions which those primarily interested in the DebianDogs have made to Puppy (Firefox Quantum comes immediately to mind), the ideas for improving Puppy (e.g., Puppy-get and Pkg - CLI package manager) and to wiak's development or improvement of scripts making it easier for non-experts to create either Puppies or Dogs.
But as I said, Puppies and Dogs are different systems [and just as it is appropriate when a specific thread exists for carrying out discussions about a specific Puppy] when a specific Dog thread exists, questions and comments about it should be posted to its thread.
mikesLr
Hi jmb23930, wellcome 
Can't you just download to somewhere (i.e a pendrive) that file using Lubuntu and then reach it from BionicDog?
Not sure what to do next. I can only think in, un-squashing it and then, to load the right module with modprobe
Can't you just download to somewhere (i.e a pendrive) that file using Lubuntu and then reach it from BionicDog?
Not sure what to do next. I can only think in, un-squashing it and then, to load the right module with modprobe
Remember: [b][i]"pecunia pecuniam parere non potest"[/i][/b]
The Ubuntu package linux-firmware contains the file /lib/firmware/rtlwifi/rtl8822befw.bin. You can probably find it in your Lubuntu install.
Put it on a flash drive and copy it into your BIonicDog system in the same location.
Reboot.
[Edit] Because you are booting from CD, you may not have any persistence working. Run:
That might activate the device immediately.
If that's the wrong module name, run "lsmod" to find the right name.
Put it on a flash drive and copy it into your BIonicDog system in the same location.
Reboot.
[Edit] Because you are booting from CD, you may not have any persistence working. Run:
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modprobe -r rtl8822be
modprobe rtl8822beIf that's the wrong module name, run "lsmod" to find the right name.
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NO - THAT IS A *** PUPPY PROJECTS FORUM *** ... ENCOURAGING OTHERS TO ADD FURTHER POSTS THERE ABOUT NON-PUP'S JUST ADDS TO THE SPAM ALREADY IN THAT FORUM.mikeslr wrote:Ignore rufwoof. Apparently, he doesn't like change and is single-handedly attempting to build a Wall. That said, he's almost correct. It's best to post questions regarding "DebianDogs" to their respective threads, such as here: http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic. ... 363#989363.
Other Distro's or Derivatives would be more courteous for those that wish to monitor the Puppy board for Puppy issues without having to wade through spam.
Interesting comment, considering posts like this one.rufwoof wrote:NO - THAT IS A *** PUPPY PROJECTS FORUM *** ... ENCOURAGING OTHERS TO ADD FURTHER POSTS THERE ABOUT NON-PUP'S JUST ADDS TO THE SPAM ALREADY IN THAT FORUM.
To reiterate yet again I opine that the Dogs are very good, but "PUPPY PROJECTS" is not the forum section to post/discuss those. Posters should have the courtesy to respect that forum is the primary Puppy forum for discussing "Puppy Projects" and the Dogs do NOT fall into that category. The Puppy Projects section is the key focal point for those that wish to keep abreast of development and documentation of Puppy Projects and not a shed load of spam postings about other non-Puppies. There's a big clue in the title. Either you post non puppy material there because you're too dumb to get that, rude/arrogant or simply a troll/spammer. I've seen first hand a considerable loss of potential new blood into Puppy (and loss of current blood), without which it will simply haemorrhage and fade (some opine that its already terminal).
"Other Distro's" is a single thread - silly to encourage posting Dog development/support questions there.rufwoof wrote:NO - THAT IS A *** PUPPY PROJECTS FORUM *** ... ENCOURAGING OTHERS TO ADD FURTHER POSTS THERE ABOUT NON-PUP'S JUST ADDS TO THE SPAM ALREADY IN THAT FORUM.
Other Distro's or Derivatives would be more courteous for those that wish to monitor the Puppy board for Puppy issues without having to wade through spam.
The sub-heading description of the "Derivatives" forum area reads; "For talk and support relating specifically to Puppy derivatives".
The sub-heading description of the "Puppy Projects" forum area reads; "A home for all kinds of Puppy related projects".
The Dogs are not Puppy derivatives. What of "... relating specifically to Puppy derivatives" do you not understand?
"A home for all kinds of Puppy related projects" fits the bill much better.
rufwoof - do you realize at all that your incessant, petty bickering about such trivial, inconsequential contrivances is far, far more disruptive to forum conversation than the very "SPAM" of which you pretend to be happening?? Seriously - can you not see that? The effort you expend (i.e. - waste) on the point is surprising... personal dig against the Dogs, have we? Take it elsewhere, please. To PM, another forum, your personal blog, Facebook, whatever - just away from Murga. PLEASE.
If you personally feel the Dogs do not have a place in the Puppy community, I can assure you that you're in the vast minority (some reasons being mentioned by mikeslr, above). Deal with it, and leave the rest of us good folks alone - and save further making a petty fool of yourself in the process.
Bob
Yet in March of 2018 you were still posting there yourself.Either you post non puppy material there because you're too dumb to get that, rude/arrogant or simply a troll/spammer.
Puppy has been dying since the moment it was created. It was then the manifestation by one person of an idea by that person. And people are mortal. Even short of that event, I know of no Linux distro dependent on the continuing interest, time and ability of any one person which has long survived. But Puppy's creator had another idea, to free Puppy from that limitation. He created Woof, a program which anyone who had the time, interest and ability could use to create Puppies.
Some of us recognized that there's a downside to Woof. It's a time consuming project. It must constantly evolve to keep pace with developments in Linux, especially those Distros whose binaries are to be used and whose repos are to be accessed; or as in the case of FatDog with the developments in Linux from Scratch and spending time in compiling. Woof now consumes the interest and time of what were once several of our most prolific and appreciated publishers of Puppy Variants.
We fool ourselves if we think there is any certainty beyond change. None of us possesses the same mind we had at conception, the same cells we had a year or two ago. The material in our bones is completely replaced over a seven year period. And we shift thru mental states from moment to moment. We are designed to make use of any resources in our environment and to use those resources to expand our environment; the most adaptable species to ever have appeared on this planet.
Which is not to say that anyone likes change. Responding to change is hard work -- we have to literally change our Minds.
Puppy is a Fan-based system. No one has the power to order anyone "Do this; Don't do that." No one gets paid for what they do, nor works under the threat of being fired. Devs develop Puppies, its applications and refinements because they enjoy doing that. When they stop enjoying the challenge of those activities, they stop creating Puppies, its applications and refinements. And that will be the case whether or not discussions concerning DebianDogs take place on this Forum or elsewhere.
The most valuable resource of any organization are its people: the people who contribute ideas, those who put in the time to turn ideas into something which can be used and those who provide feed-back to improve the things already made. Even those whom someone once known as Pelo referred to as Passengers -- the meer fans who used Puppy and complained about a problem or absence-- are part of Puppy's most valuable resource.
The idea that that bannishing potential resources will somehow extend the LIfe of Puppy is ludicrous. In a changing world --in the absence of a dictatorship-- the more efficient and responsive way to accomplish anything will ultimately prevail. Puppies have employed the merging of file-system packages for a half-dozen years. The rest of the Linux World has only just discovered Flatpaks, AppImages and such. And dictatorships ultimately fail either because of the inefficiencies they impose or the lack of responsiveness to needs. If DebianDogs are more efficient or more responsive than Puppies to the needs of those who desire small, light-weight, flexible operating systems which can be used on older computers --and I don't believe they are-- than they may attract greater users than Puppy to the point that Puppy will become just another dying distro. But Puppy's death can't be blamed on DebianDog; rather, it will be a consequence of Puppy's failure to adapt.
And that adaption is more likely to take place if this Forum remains the place where anyone interested in a small, light-weight, flexible operating system will come to share ideas, discuss problems, and exchange techniques.
If Puppy is around five years from now it may have more in common with DebianLive than it has with a 3 Series Puppy. And at that time the DebianDogs may have more in common with the current state of Puppies than they already have. Or in the meantime, the "Zilch operating system" may suggest some fundamental change which both Puppies and DebianDogs will have to adapt to in order to survive.
Change is inevitable. Isolation is committing suicide slowly.
mikesLr
Some of us recognized that there's a downside to Woof. It's a time consuming project. It must constantly evolve to keep pace with developments in Linux, especially those Distros whose binaries are to be used and whose repos are to be accessed; or as in the case of FatDog with the developments in Linux from Scratch and spending time in compiling. Woof now consumes the interest and time of what were once several of our most prolific and appreciated publishers of Puppy Variants.
We fool ourselves if we think there is any certainty beyond change. None of us possesses the same mind we had at conception, the same cells we had a year or two ago. The material in our bones is completely replaced over a seven year period. And we shift thru mental states from moment to moment. We are designed to make use of any resources in our environment and to use those resources to expand our environment; the most adaptable species to ever have appeared on this planet.
Which is not to say that anyone likes change. Responding to change is hard work -- we have to literally change our Minds.
Puppy is a Fan-based system. No one has the power to order anyone "Do this; Don't do that." No one gets paid for what they do, nor works under the threat of being fired. Devs develop Puppies, its applications and refinements because they enjoy doing that. When they stop enjoying the challenge of those activities, they stop creating Puppies, its applications and refinements. And that will be the case whether or not discussions concerning DebianDogs take place on this Forum or elsewhere.
The most valuable resource of any organization are its people: the people who contribute ideas, those who put in the time to turn ideas into something which can be used and those who provide feed-back to improve the things already made. Even those whom someone once known as Pelo referred to as Passengers -- the meer fans who used Puppy and complained about a problem or absence-- are part of Puppy's most valuable resource.
The idea that that bannishing potential resources will somehow extend the LIfe of Puppy is ludicrous. In a changing world --in the absence of a dictatorship-- the more efficient and responsive way to accomplish anything will ultimately prevail. Puppies have employed the merging of file-system packages for a half-dozen years. The rest of the Linux World has only just discovered Flatpaks, AppImages and such. And dictatorships ultimately fail either because of the inefficiencies they impose or the lack of responsiveness to needs. If DebianDogs are more efficient or more responsive than Puppies to the needs of those who desire small, light-weight, flexible operating systems which can be used on older computers --and I don't believe they are-- than they may attract greater users than Puppy to the point that Puppy will become just another dying distro. But Puppy's death can't be blamed on DebianDog; rather, it will be a consequence of Puppy's failure to adapt.
And that adaption is more likely to take place if this Forum remains the place where anyone interested in a small, light-weight, flexible operating system will come to share ideas, discuss problems, and exchange techniques.
If Puppy is around five years from now it may have more in common with DebianLive than it has with a 3 Series Puppy. And at that time the DebianDogs may have more in common with the current state of Puppies than they already have. Or in the meantime, the "Zilch operating system" may suggest some fundamental change which both Puppies and DebianDogs will have to adapt to in order to survive.
Change is inevitable. Isolation is committing suicide slowly.
mikesLr
