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Posted: Tue 05 May 2020, 09:04
by DuMar
666philb wrote:DuMar wrote:My system is freezing:
I use Lick, frugal install with 25 Gig 3fs savefile on a ntfs 1TB HDD.
About 2 times an hour the system got stuck.
I have to switch the machine of by using the power button.
At startup I notice a scrolling list with something as:
clearing up orphined bla bla bla can't read so fast.
Hi DuMar,
are you trying to create a 25gb savefile or am i reading this wrong?
before installing to an ntfs partition you should defrag the HD in windows.
but even then a 25gb savefile will be problematic
The 25 gig savefile was what windows made from a copy. The normal savefile was 4 Gig.
I deleted the whole installation and I will make a new start.
I will keep you posted
Posted: Wed 06 May 2020, 15:35
by DuMar
Today I made a complete fresh install:
Asus Vivobook ryzen 3 256 gb SSD (ntfs) and 1 TB HDD (ntfs) windows 10
I used Lick for the installation:
installation 1: Fossapup 9.01 on the 1 TB HDD 1gb savefile ext3
installation 2: Fossapup 9.01 on the 256 GB SDD (called fossabackup)
I use the second one just to make backups from the 3fs savefile from the first install with gdmin rsync.
I installed and completed Sylpheed, Palemoon, Libre office, Keepass, Truecrypt. inkgui. peasypdf.
2 problems so far.
1. No cups-pdf
Local Raw Printer Paused - "Backend /usr/lib/cups/backend/pdf-writer does not exist!" (I placed the xenial32 backend, but no luck)
2. system freezing again!! 3 times in one hour but all when working with palemoon. Now using FF. I will keep you informed.
Posted: Wed 06 May 2020, 15:40
by rcrsn51
DuMar wrote:1. No cups-pdf
This is the old way to make a PDF. Use "Print to File" instead.
Posted: Wed 06 May 2020, 16:39
by DuMar
rcrsn51 wrote:DuMar wrote:1. No cups-pdf
This is the old way to make a PDF. Use "Print to File" instead.
Thank you rcrsn51 I will give that a try.
Next problem: no sound in Firefox, great sound in Palemoon.
Posted: Wed 06 May 2020, 16:51
by 666philb
DuMar wrote:rcrsn51 wrote:DuMar wrote:1. No cups-pdf
This is the old way to make a PDF. Use "Print to File" instead.
Thank you rcrsn51 I will give that a try.
Next problem: no sound in Firefox, great sound in Palemoon.
in a terminal
or
if it's from the website
Posted: Wed 06 May 2020, 17:58
by DuMar
666philb wrote:
Thank you rcrsn51 I will give that a try.
Next problem: no sound in Firefox, great sound in Palemoon.
in a terminal
or
if it's from the website[/quote]
apulse firefox opens firefox but no sound yet.
I just came back to my laptop after 30 minutes and the system was frozen again. Only firefox was runnig so palemoon is probably not the problem. At restart I have an anouncement that X wasn't properly closed.
What can I do to help to find the origin of the freezing?
I enterd sudo alsa force-unload in a console
after that
sudo alsa force-reload and I got many lines with errors. Is that something but how can I copy it from the console?
Posted: Wed 06 May 2020, 22:45
by Semme
Hello DuMar.
Your copy of Firefox came from where?
The ESR build or the one for general consumption? Its version?
On a side note: have you ever booted any Linux from a flash drive on your current box?
Posted: Thu 07 May 2020, 09:26
by DuMar
Hello Semme,
my copy from FF came from the ppm. It has been updated to version 76.0
Your sidenote: I just managed to make a Fat32 - F2FS usb flash drive with Fossapup on it. I changed the boot order and it boots. It creates a safefolder at shutdown, so no 3fs. This looks much more how I used to work with Tahr and Xenial. However when I start the machine without the usb drive, I have to set the bootorder again to usb the next time.
I will built this puppy up with programs and mail etc. and see how it works.
Posted: Thu 07 May 2020, 10:47
by Semme
Yeah. If you can operate without LICK as a middleman, all the better.
As for BIOS, mine offers the option of interrupting boot to choose a device from which to boot.
Possibly yours has the same?
Posted: Thu 07 May 2020, 13:21
by DuMar
System frozen again.
After installing sylpheed wit al my mail accounts and settings I went to my old laptop for the internet bookmarks. When I looked after 5 minutes the machine was frozen again. Without saving (pupsave interval = 0) so all my e-mail updates gone again.
The first install was with lick on the 1 TB HDD and now I had it on a usb stick with fat32 - F2FS but the system keeps freezing.
I think I have to wait for the stable version. It's a shame to throw a brand new laptop in the drawer.
Maybe try the competetion, Ubuntu or Mint
Posted: Thu 07 May 2020, 13:52
by Semme
Light, fast, great hw detection and easy on resources >>
antiX!
https://download.tuxfamily.org/antix/do ... rugal.html
Posted: Thu 07 May 2020, 17:20
by bigpup
I think I have to wait for the stable version. It's a shame to throw a brand new laptop in the drawer.
Maybe try the competetion, Ubuntu or Mint
A alpha release, of an operating system, is not going to work perfect.
A alpha release is for testing, bug fixing, getting everything working, etc....
There are and should be problems.
How do you know what is working or not working, unless you just try it and see.
I am sure 666philb does not have a room full of different computers.
Those different computers, to test on, are we the Puppy users.
Thus you release a Puppy version in alpha, beta, release candidate, and final release.
Do not compare it to a finished fully bug fixed final released version of some other Linux OS.
Figuring out why your computer is freezing up, would greatly help in getting to a final release of Fossapup64.
Posted: Thu 07 May 2020, 18:03
by DuMar
I understand and I sure like to help.
I just have to use fossapup because it's the only pup my machine can handle. Unfortunately then you have the deal with the alpha release problems too.
The machine runs smooth now for more then 4 hours. We will wait and see.
Posted: Fri 08 May 2020, 08:01
by DuMar
Today I started using the machine with just palemoon and sylpheed. I have no screensaver working. The machine got stuck 2 times in 15 minutes when I was working on it. First time typing an e-mail and second time surfing the web.
How can I be of help?
Posted: Fri 08 May 2020, 11:28
by DuMar
I installed a -adrv version with Lick on my machine ( Asus Vivobook ryzen 3 256 gb SSD + 1 tb hdd)
Adjusting the screen resolution to the 1280 x 720 setting caused a complete shutdown when X restarted. I could not make it work.
Then I restarted the Fat32 + F2FS version from yesterday, the one that frooze 2x this morning, and I changed the screen resolution from 1280 x 720 to 1280 x 800 and saved + restart. I have now 2 black lines on both sides but it runs already for more then 2 hours now.
Can the screen resolution be of influence ??
Posted: Fri 08 May 2020, 14:15
by bigpup
Could be.
Do you know for sure what the monitors native resolution is?
What is it?
In a terminal enter this command and press enter key.
This should give a list of all available resolution settings.
To copy in a terminal.
Highlight
To post in the forum.
Right click and select paste.
To paste in a terminal.
Middle mouse button.
Please post what xrandr shows.
Posted: Fri 08 May 2020, 14:28
by bigpup
I am starting to think this freezing is being caused by the Internet.
The last few days, when using a browser to surf the internet.
I have had times when the mouse pointer will freeze.
This is when using other Puppy versions.
The freeze will usually last 10, 20, 30 seconds.
A lot of web sites are trying to do other things, in the background.
I wonder if the Internet is just getting overloaded.
I am not seeing any freezing when not on the internet.
Posted: Fri 08 May 2020, 14:50
by linuxcbon
DuMar wrote:System frozen again.
Looks like a hardware problem.
Did you check the RAM sticks one by one ?
Power unit ?
Mother board ?
CPU ?
Video ?
Hard disk ?
Connections ?
etc.
Posted: Fri 08 May 2020, 14:52
by DuMar
bigpup wrote:Could be.
Do you know for sure what the monitors native resolution is?
What is it?
In a terminal enter this command and press enter key.
This should give a list of all available resolution settings.
Please post what xrandr shows.
root# xrandr
Screen 0: minimum 320 x 200, current 1280 x 800, maximum 16384 x 16384
eDP connected primary 1280x800+0+0 (normal left inverted right x axis y axis) 344mm x 193mm
1280x800 60.01*+
1920x1080 60.01 +
1680x1050 60.01
1280x1024 60.01
1440x900 60.01
1280x720 60.01
1024x768 60.01
800x600 60.01
640x480 60.01
HDMI-A-0 disconnected (normal left inverted right x axis y axis)
root#
At the moment I use 1280x800 The machine runs without trouble already the whole afternoon.
Edit: I came back after dinner and the system was frozen. I restarted and changed the screenresolution to 1280x720. I went to the forum to write this edit but before I was finished the system was frozen.
So: resolution 1280x800 frozen after 5 hours
resolution 1280x720 frozen within 2 minutes
I'm now back to 1280x800 and enabled the screensaver after 180 secs.
Posted: Fri 08 May 2020, 18:31
by dancytron
666philb wrote:dancytron wrote:I attempted a manual frugal install with the adrv disabled.
I got a kernel panic (see attached).
.
hopefully the new kernel will work
For the sake of completeness, my $38.00 HP 8000 ELITE Desktop PC - Intel E8400 Core 2 Duo 3.0GHz CPU - 250GB HDD - 4GB RAM - DVDROM
seems to crash on any of the newest kernels including Busterdog latest build. Oh well...