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Iguleder · #161 Post by **Iguleder** » Fri 05 Aug 2011, 14:39

E17 is much lighter than Xfce; the latter is almost as heavy as GNOME 2.x. Also, E17 is 4-6 MB, while most desktop environments are way bigger.

It's definitely heavier than JWM, IceWM and Fluxbox, but it's still very light - takes 10 to 20 MB of RAM, which isn't much. It provide a fairly complete desktop at a very small size and memory cost ... that's why I like it.

I don't like Openbox just because it lacks personality (that's just my opinion). It's heavier than the mentioned window managers, but doesn't offer anything special, like JWM's tray, Fluxbox' slit or E17's looks.

I'm doing experiments now, I'm making some Woof patches to disable the ROX-Filer pinboard, because it's pretty much uselss when you use window managers like Fluxbox or Enlightenment, which rely on extensive menus for everything.

By the way - I wrote build scripts for Xfce but gave up on it once I found out how messed up it is with Puppy. It needs lots of work to get it right, as I did with E17.

cowboy · #162 Post by **cowboy** » Fri 05 Aug 2011, 15:26

Iguleder,

Thank you for taking the time to write about the desktop managers. Very enlightening and most appreciated.

DaveS · #163 Post by **DaveS** » Fri 05 Aug 2011, 15:27

Just a feeling I get from using the various window managers, but I suspect there are some focus conflicts with the Rox Pinboard. I get odd results after clicking the desktop to bring up the root menu, then say, clicking in a Rox window to select a file. That usually results in the root menu coming up again....
This with spup/openbox. Will be interesting to try a Pup without a pinboard. It also always bugs me the way loading an sfs screws up pinboard icon arrangements.

Iguleder · #164 Post by **Iguleder** » Fri 05 Aug 2011, 16:11

Compiling FVWM, I want to see how lightweight it is. Should be as light as JWM/IceWM ...

DaveS · #165 Post by **DaveS** » Fri 05 Aug 2011, 16:14

Iguleder wrote:Compiling FVWM, I want to see how lightweight it is. Should be as light as JWM/IceWM ...

Sure, but when am I going to get something to play with

Iguleder · #166 Post by **Iguleder** » Fri 05 Aug 2011, 16:26

Wow, the fastest window manager I've seen. Resizing windows is way smoother than in JWM or IceWM, which was the champion until now

It's very very ugly and I have no idea how to use this wild beast, gotta tame it. I want to make it use Puppy's default icons and menus ... I hope it's going to work since I want to give it a try.

EDIT: Fluxbox takes about the same amount of RAM as other *box window managers and the FVWM family, but doesn't have the fullscreen bugs and it fits the minimalistic agenda. iDesk provides desktop icons and consumes ~2 MB less RAM than the pinboard. I also want to set Dash as the default shell, this should save a few MBs of RAM and make it boot faster

pemasu · #167 Post by **pemasu** » Fri 05 Aug 2011, 16:29

I have updated my thread first post to have detailed info what I have added and also the bug fixes have short explanation.

oligin10 · #168 Post by **oligin10** » Fri 05 Aug 2011, 16:43

Hi Iguleder, take a look at Austrumi linux. I have tried to get online with it several times, but can't connect wirelessly. But it is gorgeous, and this may give you some ideas. Thanks, Rob

Iguleder · #169 Post by **Iguleder** » Fri 05 Aug 2011, 17:56

Got sick of FVWM, too ugly and hard to configure.

I just compiled AfterStep and it's simply great, Firefox is faster than Opera on it for some reason

Gonna tweak it and build AfterDpup

Jim1911 · #170 Post by **Jim1911** » Fri 05 Aug 2011, 19:21

Hope that you will stay with E17, it's simple to configure, looks and works great. Only problem I've noted is with CUPS and I switched to JWM to use CUPS and then back to E17.

Jim

Iguleder · #171 Post by **Iguleder** » Fri 05 Aug 2011, 19:32

Don't worry; today I built a new E17 but I'm having trouble with my internet connection, so I guess I'll upload it tomorrow.

EDIT: wrote build scripts for AfterStep and stalonetray (a standalone system tray, for the free save file space applet, Volumeicon, Parcellite, etc') - it's quite nice, very lightweight. It's kinda funny that AfterStep is 4.7 MB (with some fonts I'm going to remove, since they're available in separate packages) - that's about the size of E17.

EDIT 2: working with AfterStep and all those minimalistic apps gave me inspiration, make the most minimalistic Puppy possible, with AfterStep, aterm, stalonetray, ROX-Filer, Dillo and other lightweight stuff ... a distro equivalent to DSL, but not for ancient hardware.

pemasu · #172 Post by **pemasu** » Fri 05 Aug 2011, 21:56

Rerwin has spent some time to create dillo pet from the latest dillo source. He uploaded it in the luci dev thread about yesterday.

scsijon · #173 Post by **scsijon** » Fri 05 Aug 2011, 23:21

Iguleder wrote:I want it to have JWM or Fluxbox, E17 is something extra

By the way, I also want to disable the pinboard. I want to make it menu-driven.

Maybe a silly q, but just what does pinboard do?

thanks
scsijon

scsijon · #174 Post by **scsijon** » Sat 06 Aug 2011, 01:09

Iguleder wrote:Got sick of FVWM, too ugly and hard to configure.

I just compiled AfterStep and it's simply great, Firefox is faster than Opera on it for some reason

Gonna tweak it and build AfterDpup

If you want some others to play with

, check out Giles Orr's page at http://www.gilesorr.com/wm/table.html.

regards
scsijon

davids45 · #175 Post by **davids45** » Sat 06 Aug 2011, 02:03

G'day,

Further to pemasu's mention of a very short xorg.conf......
I would like to run the radeon driver with the various dpups but I only get vesa.
I cannot see how to manually edit the short xorg.conf file (no mention of a driver= ?) nor does the xorg wizard let me <Choose> the radeon or other ATI driver listed in the menu of drivers - I just get the vesa again.

vesa is OK with the dpups but only gives 1280x1028 resolution - the monitor is 1600x900 so everything on dpups is a bit squashed.

The lucid-based Pups let me use the radeon driver to get 1600x900 although the proprietary ATI Catalyst driver is better (avoids shut-down problems). Is there a working ATI Catalyst driver for any of the dpups in .pet form which will over-ride the default vesa? Or can I get 1600x900 with vesa

Thanks for any advice,

David S.

Iguleder · #176 Post by **Iguleder** » Sat 06 Aug 2011, 06:37

Building the first beta ISO, this time with AfterStep, stalonetray, no apps at all, the improved Puppizard and LZO compression. This means it's going to be quite big, but insanely fast.

I want to compile FLTK and Dillo ... any other suggestions?

pemasu · #177 Post by **pemasu** » Sat 06 Aug 2011, 07:46

davids45. Check Dpup Exprimo first page of my lousy trial and error solution to get Ati Catalyst 11.7 fglrx driver and normal long xorg.conf generated.
The problem seems to be within xwin-xorgwizard-xorgwizard-automatic scripts and in that udev rules update with advadm does not have any effect even though that is the way to override xorg.conf definitions at least with keyboard layout and synaptics loading.

And yes. there is Ati Catalyst 11.7 pet compiled and packaged. See again the first page.

Iguleder · #178 Post by **Iguleder** » Sat 06 Aug 2011, 08:14

Fluxbox wins, it's the fastest and smallest. And doesn't have JWM's bugs.

Now I'm recompiling it, this time with imlib2 support, so I can also compile iDesk or other Fluxbox stuff - most of them depend on this library.

stu90 · #179 Post by **stu90** » Sat 06 Aug 2011, 11:42

scsijon wrote:
Iguleder wrote:I want it to have JWM or Fluxbox, E17 is something extra

By the way, I also want to disable the pinboard. I want to make it menu-driven.
Maybe a silly q, but just what does pinboard do?

thanks
scsijon

Hi scsijon,
Pinboard sets the wallpaper and desktop icons - you can find the pinboard file in /root/Choices/ROX-Filer/PuppyPin

Iguleder · #180 Post by **Iguleder** » Sat 06 Aug 2011, 12:33

Oh damn, it's going to take time till I upload a Fluxbox build.

It lacks a proper tool to generate XDG menus, The only tool that works well is MenuMaker, but it's written in Python, so I'm writing one in C. Had some memory corruption issues so I'm rewriting it.

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