Community Edition anyone interested?

[Billtoo]

I tried out my flash drive install on my eeepc 701sd:

video-info-glx 1.5.3 Tue 12 Nov 2013 on Squeezed Puppy 4.101 Linux 2.6.32-uni i686
2.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Mobile 915GM/GMS/910GML Express Graphics Controller (rev 04)
oem: Intel(r)915GM/910ML/915MS Graphics Chip Accelerated VGA BIOS
product: Intel(r)915GM/910ML/915MS Graphics Controller Hardware Version 0.0

X Server: Xorg Driver: intel
X.Org version: 1.7.7
dimensions: 800x480 pixels (211x126 millimeters)
depth of root window: 24 planes


Intel(R) Celeron(R) M processor 900MHz
Core 0: @Intel(R) 1: @630 MHz

01micko's fix solved the pet problem.

[anikin]

wanderer, I think you should contact distrowatch administrators about this Community Edition, so they would know that Puppy Linux is not as they used to call it a "dormant" distribution.

You have already been in contact with Distro Watch, you know what you're talking about

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FUCK YOU DISTROWATCH!!!

I should, perhaps e-mail them a link to this forum.

edit got a PM in response to this post:

anikin,

fag

suck it,

fag

.

[wanderer]

hi all

the worry that puppy will fall from grace
on the distrowatch page
is an understandable one
but i'm not really worried about that
there are many great puppy projects
and if anyone comes to the forum
they hopefully will see them
and use them
some of the forks of puppy
like macpup even have their own listing on distrowatch

our humble project
hopefully will give the whole puppy community
a place to work together (if they want to)

but our project now is very immature
i love working on this
and hopefully over time
we be able to create a viable candidate

however if we get tired of building from scratch
and want to jump start things
we can always just fork a developed project
for example pesamu's wheezy dpup

my plan is to continue to work on this project
because it is tons of fun
and actually may produce something useful
it also has been a great pleasure working with all of you

but as to what project will be the official puppy
only Barry K can make that call
perhaps the puppy community can take a vote
if Barry K no longer wishes to be involved
maybe someone can contact him and ask

thoughts anyone

wanderer

[L18L]

my plan is to continue to work on this project
because it is tons of fun
and actually may produce something useful
it also has been a great pleasure working with all of you

It is a good plan.
Don't care about Distrowatch and trolls.

[wanderer]

hi all

as i mentioned before
it appears that if we are going to develop our own project
we will be modifying woof squeeze
to update it to wheezy
and fix its faults

to this end
we will need to make a list of the mods
that have fixed problems with ce1.iso
and incorporate these fixes
into the next iso
ce2.iso

i will go through the posts
to begin a list
if you have fixed something
please post the fix on the forum
so i can add it to the list
put the title "this is a fix"
on the top
so it will be easy to find

i will post this list on the forum periodically
for all to review
and comment on
and add to

as i said before
it is a pleasure working with you all

happy hunting

wanderer

[anikin]

it appears that if we are going to develop our own project
we will be modifying woof squeeze
to update it to wheezy
and fix its faults

wanderer,
Have you seen my humble request, a few posts up?
I would like to see that implemented first. A puppy booting through xorgwizard is totally unacceptable to me. I want a puppy to be Puppy Linux - not a half-assed, flag waving beast. Of all the great and grand ideas, that have been floating around lately, what I'm asking for is the easiest to implement - and will yield the greatest bang for the effort. The only problem is, I can't get the attention of the big guys.

edit: this onehttp://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic. ... 617#735617 sorry

[wanderer]

hi anikin

please restate your request

i cannot seem to find it

thanks

wanderer

[wanderer]

anikin

yes i also agree that i would like the iso
to boot up without probing everything

and that could be accomplished
by editing the init file

the only problem i see is what if a persons monitor
cant handle xvesa

i guess you could start out with a low xorg resolution
that would work for everyone

is this what you are talking about

wanderer

[RSH]

Have you seen my humble request, a few posts up?
I would like to see that implemented first. A puppy booting through xorgwizard is totally unacceptable to me.

Hi.

What Puppies are you talking about?

All Puppies that I have used/tested did boot straight up to a graphical desktop, as there were Lucid 525 & 528; MacPup 525, 528 & 550; Studio 3.3, 4 and 13.37; Puppy 4.10; Muppy 008.3F; Three Headed Dog 528; Precise 5.3.3.3, 5.6 & 5.7.1 plus... ... ...

The only one that did not, was a Slacko or Wary Puppy. Can't remember at the moment.

Yes, sometimes this feature seems to get lost when doing a remaster.

So, you do possibly refer to a remastered version?

I have turned almost each one of the above named Puppies into a LazY Puppy (by a remaster) - and all do still boot straight up into a graphical desktop. Even the Studio 13.37!

[anikin]

All the puppies, you have listed have xorgwizard. They go to the desktop through xorgwizard, not directly. That's what I mean. It's a home-baked, exclusively puppy feature - no other distro in the world uses it.

the only problem i see is what if a persons monitor
cant handle xvesa

I'm sure Linux will have a solution for such a rare occurrence - we'll go online and find it

[wanderer]

hi everyone

here is the list i was talking about

a. things to do

1.better kernel ?
2.better x

b. things that have been done

1. pet loading fixed by adding tar

add and comment
by posting
this will help us keep track of things

wanderer

[RSH]

All the puppies, you have listed have xorgwizard. They go to the desktop through xorgwizard, not directly. That's what I mean. It's a home-baked, exclusively puppy feature - no other distro in the world uses it.

So, what to complain about?

Isn't it a nice feature to be able to use a wizard, in case of not recognizing the monitor or the graphics card automatically at first boot?

As you can see in my case:

- I did not know that it goes through the xorgwizard
- it doesn't make any difference to me
- it hasn't affect really much my development

- and therefor a user simply would not see any benefit (imho) if it goes through xorgwizard to a graphical desktop or even without going through xorgwizard to a graphical desktop.

Why fix anything that is not broken?

Or is it broken?

If not, why wasting time for such "fake issues"?

[anikin]

as of late versions it breaks remasters, slows startup (compare puppy's startup to that of porteus) it sets flags:http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic. ... 111#703111, adds bloat to code, makes me feel unhappy.

edit: it's an obstacle when you want to set xorg.conf - like resolution, refresh rate, etc.

[RSH]

it breaks remasters

Yes, this I have noticed sometimes and it is really uncomfortable. However: I did solve this currently for all my Puppies to remaster.

Though, it would be nice, if I would not have to do some work on that again in the future.

slows startup

That's not my point of view. Usually when I'm booting the OS, I'm NOT sitting in front of the Computer/Monitor to wait until the desktop appears. There are usually some other things to do at such boot times.

Entering the bathroom, getting a shower or taking off my clothes when returning to home. This overall talk about boot speed to me seems only of interest for people who don't have anything better to do while the OS is booting.

So, they are sitting, rigidly glued to the screen and waiting while counting micro-seconds until the desktop appears.

A little hint for that: just think of your Girlfriend (or even Boyfriend) or something lovely like that. As you will note, the OS will boot three times faster immediately...

As for the flags you have linked to: I've seen such on MacPup but not on Precise or Lucid. Then it was always the puppies boot partition.

adds bloat to code, makes me feel unhappy.

What is "bloat" in some code would surely be defined differently by different users/developers. There is always a reason for code, even if the user doesn't understand this. Of course some code could be refined/improved.

To "feel unhappy" at least is highly subjective.

[01micko]

What the problem is, is that /usr/bin/xinit depends on /etc/X11/xorg.conf existence.

Since xorg-7.4 (lucid era) xorg has been able to boot straight to desktop. Barry has left the legacy stuff there for wary which has xorg-7.3.

To go forth, xinit (and related scripts) need a rewrite so that there is no dependency on xorg.conf, however, some hardware does need a xorg.conf or at least a specific config in /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/ (directory). This is no trivial task and actually the topic of an entirely new thread, requiring a new approach to xorgwizard (or whatever it may be renamed).

For now, setting DISTRO_XORG_AUTO=yes and PUPDESKFLG=no is what I do. These are done in woof.

[anikin]

What the problem is, is that /usr/bin/xinit depends on /etc/X11/xorg.conf existence.

xorg.conf belongs to Xorg - I'm not suggesting it should be removed. I actually need it. Xorgwizard doesn't belong there - it can/should be removed. I know, I sound like a broken record - if other distros don't use it - why should we? Why not make things easier and simpler? I have removed it from the latest Slacko, Raring - I boot to X, type startx, or xwin and get to the desktop. You know what - it boots faster, even with my clumsy typing! I just can't figure out how to mod the scripts to start jwm.

[01micko]

What the problem is, is that /usr/bin/xinit depends on /etc/X11/xorg.conf existence.

xorg.conf belongs to Xorg - I'm not suggesting it should be removed. I actually need it. Xorgwizard doesn't belong there - it can/should be removed. I know, I sound like a broken record - if other distros don't use it - why should we? Why not make things easier and simpler? I have removed it from the latest Slacko, Raring - I boot to X, type startx, or xwin and get to the desktop. You know what - it boots faster, even with my clumsy typing! I just can't figure out how to mod the scripts to start jwm.

Wrong. It should be removed for reasons I stated (plus more). But like I said, topic of another thread. When I'm ready I'll open another, but until then, feel free to start your own discussion.

[anikin]

Agreed. It deserves a separate and thorough discussion.

[greengeek]

as of late versions it breaks remasters, slows startup ...
edit: it's an obstacle when you want to set xorg.conf - like resolution, refresh rate, etc.

I seem to struggle to get various puppies running with my preferred pre-selected xorg.conf - it feels like puppy doesn't want me to have control of the process, or doesn't want to use an xorg.conf that I already know works well in other puppies...

As far as I can tell the problem is that (for various reasons...) xorgwizard runs and overwrites the xorg.conf file. Is it a practical goal for the new community edition puppy to have different triggers or controls for the way that xorgwizard is run - so that it is more under the control of the user (ie less hidden, less automatic)?

Maybe all that is required is a dialog that asks: "do you want xorgwizard to build an xorg.conf for you, or do you want to load an xorg.conf from a pre-existing file?"

[wanderer]

hi all

i just want to tell you what i am doing
i am going through the woof (and other) scripts
to find out how they do things

i will then combine this information
with my own system

to create a system that will allow us
build the iso more efficiently
that is faster and more flexibly
by adding and subtracting things
without having to go through the whole woof process

hopefully i will get the basics done in a few days

i will then post an iso
that you guys can test

please post fixes on the list
and i will see if i can add any of them

thanks

wanderer