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Posted: Fri 20 Mar 2009, 11:41
by 01micko
William (Dthdealer) wrote:This candidate
is a
disgrace
Why is the release candidate discarding the Puppy heritage of lean and mean to copy the world's worst operating system? Vista cursors, widgets and horrible GTK and JWM themes on top of the rancid new icon scheme make me want to drop puppy permanently. Programs have been stripped to make space for a glossy but gouged and bleeding UI and the old icon scheme has been scrapped for more 'modern' shiny themes.
Yaf-splashes now have super-clashing colour-schemes (green on yellow?) and the old dialog system has been replaced with text-boxes that look like you can edit them. Worst of all, Puppy is gaining more flab than you can poke truck at.
Is this moving forward or is this moving backward??? Puppy needs dogfood, not Vista bites
If this candidate represents the later releases of puppy, I'm leaving.
Yeah? 99Mib? Flab? Mate... behave.. Our Benevolent Dictator is trying to balance sex with functionality.
We here all know Puppy.
We
do want to attract other users, be they from doze, buntu, driva, hat, who cares?
Mate, a little respect for ALL the devs putting in THEIR time. Did you?
Cheers buddy,
Thanks for your critique,
Posted: Fri 20 Mar 2009, 11:44
by tasmod
Now if you want it really small, remove window manager and go back to cli.
Now there's fun for you and no progress too
Posted: Fri 20 Mar 2009, 11:52
by 01micko
tasmod wrote:Now if you want it really small, remove window manager and go back to cli.
Now there's fun for you and no progress too
... or blung... er ... bling
Posted: Fri 20 Mar 2009, 12:09
by ttuuxxx
Ok I was wrong, I burned the wrong iso, Sorry WhoDo, I don't usually mess that up. I removed my previous comments
ttuuxxx
P.s just installed the updated blinky and its still works fine, Also I can see that the guys didn't put freememory applet back on the taskbar, You do know if we don't use pwidgets, then that puts everyone in the dark, I did talk about that one before. Freememory applet shouldn't be an option WhoDo.
ttuuxxx
Posted: Fri 20 Mar 2009, 12:18
by ttuuxxx
William (Dthdealer) wrote:This candidate
is a
disgrace
Why is the release candidate discarding the Puppy heritage of lean and mean to copy the world's worst operating system? Vista cursors, widgets and horrible GTK and JWM themes on top of the rancid new icon scheme make me want to drop puppy permanently. Programs have been stripped to make space for a glossy but gouged and bleeding UI and the old icon scheme has been scrapped for more 'modern' shiny themes.
Yaf-splashes now have super-clashing colour-schemes (green on yellow?) and the old dialog system has been replaced with text-boxes that look like you can edit them. Worst of all, Puppy is gaining more flab than you can poke truck at.
Is this moving forward or is this moving backward??? Puppy needs dogfood, not Vista bites
If this candidate represents the later releases of puppy, I'm leaving.
Don't worry, I'm against having pwidgets installed by default, I find the default gtk2 theme way too dark. I have no use for Ptray and PMusic. Once the final is released, I'll release a unofficial version, with most of the bling, and useless programs removed. Anything else you don't like?
ttuuxxx
Posted: Fri 20 Mar 2009, 12:21
by ttuuxxx
Hey WhoDo, I found a bug, well it bugs meeeeeeeee
You removed your nice icons from the last version and reverted back to the dreaded 'FlatOrange' Why, really it was only the default folder which was too flashy. Other than that, it was real nice.
ttuuxxx
Posted: Fri 20 Mar 2009, 12:25
by trio
William (Dthdealer) wrote:This candidate is a disgrace
Noooo, it is not a disgrace, have you ever looked in the mirror lately? If you know puppy well, then you know how the community is. The way you said your statement did not represents that you are a true puppian.
Cheers.
..
Posted: Fri 20 Mar 2009, 12:28
by WhoDo
ttuuxxx wrote:oh by the way what issues with blinky, I tested that visual upgrade and freemomory on 3 machines and they all worked perfect on JWM?
I didn't say "issues" I said "complications" - that means that the change at this stage may or may not work fine, BUT I don't need to complicate the process by throwing in another variable this late in the game. It is NOT a comment on the application supplied; just a statement about where the development process is at, ok?
...and you haven't had a drink in 2 months then maybe nows a good time to start because one of us isn't seeing straight anyway, so what's to lose?
Posted: Fri 20 Mar 2009, 12:38
by WhoDo
ttuuxxx wrote:Ok I was wrong, I burned the wrong iso, Sorry WhoDo, I don't usually mess that up. I removed my previous comments
One day, Jeff, you're gonna give me or someone else the benefit of the doubt BEFORE you fly off the axe handle, mate.
ttuuxxx wrote:P.s just installed the updated blinky and its still works fine, Also I can see that the guys didn't put freememory applet back on the taskbar, You do know if we don't use pwidgets, then that puts everyone in the dark, I did talk about that one before. Freememory applet shouldn't be an option WhoDo.
Actually I tried to put it back in myself, but couldn't get the JWM tray to <swallow> it. I decided then and there that if it was going to go back in then someone who knows what they're doing in JWM would have to do it.
Posted: Fri 20 Mar 2009, 12:45
by ttuuxxx
WhoDo wrote:ttuuxxx wrote:Ok I was wrong, I burned the wrong iso, Sorry WhoDo, I don't usually mess that up. I removed my previous comments
One day, Jeff, you're gonna give me or someone else the benefit of the doubt BEFORE you fly off the axe handle, mate.
ttuuxxx wrote:P.s just installed the updated blinky and its still works fine, Also I can see that the guys didn't put freememory applet back on the taskbar, You do know if we don't use pwidgets, then that puts everyone in the dark, I did talk about that one before. Freememory applet shouldn't be an option WhoDo.
Actually I tried to put it back in myself, but couldn't get the JWM tray to <swallow> it. I decided then and there that if it was going to go back in then someone who knows what they're doing in JWM would have to do it.
Its part of my blinky update, I have both include in that tiny pet package.
The one from icewm is better because it has the rightclick menus/applications.
ttuuxxx
Posted: Fri 20 Mar 2009, 12:47
by WhoDo
cthisbear wrote:Think I need a drink.
Because i never noticed the shade in RC3.
You've had enough already, I'd say. Responsible Service and all that...
cthisbear wrote:There is shade on 4th right quarter...sorry about the image size. Couldn't quite see how to resize it.
Shade, huh?
Try this ... squeeze your eyes shut very, very tightly for at least 30 seconds - you can use the hands on your Braille watch to time yourself - then open your eyes and you should "see" the "shade" in all 4 corners!
Seriously, chris, I have NO IDEA what you're talking about and the screen shot is of RC3 so by your own admission it is "normal"? Looks "normal" to me too, so I guess we fooled that darn "shade" thingy, eh mate!
Posted: Fri 20 Mar 2009, 12:47
by Lobster
I'm leaving
.
Leaving before you create a stripped down version of Puppy 4.2 for everyone?
A barebones Puppy will happen but I know full well what sort of person will be doing it . . .
Guys
4.2 is a base
It can be made bigger and it can be made smaller.
It can be deblinged and uberblinged
Puplets will come out . . .
Woof may be based on it (expect Alpha 3 - 23/24 March 2009)
Thanks to all those 'disgraceful' helpers, developers and encourager's, testers etc
Puppy Deep Thought is nearing release
I am staying!
Positively Puppy
Posted: Fri 20 Mar 2009, 12:51
by WhoDo
01micko wrote:Crab is a nice touch though...
... especially from a Cancerian!
The sand, the sea ... it either had to be the crab or a lobster and I wouldn't want to pinch Ed's avatar!
Posted: Fri 20 Mar 2009, 12:53
by trio
Lobster wrote:I'm leaving
.
Thanks to all those
'disgraceful' helpers, developers and encourager's, testers etc
Positively Puppy
Wua hahhahhahhaa......
Posted: Fri 20 Mar 2009, 12:54
by 01micko
ttuuxxx wrote:William (Dthdealer) wrote:This candidate
is a
disgrace
Why is the release candidate discarding the Puppy heritage of lean and mean to copy the world's worst operating system? Vista cursors, widgets and horrible GTK and JWM themes on top of the rancid new icon scheme make me want to drop puppy permanently. Programs have been stripped to make space for a glossy but gouged and bleeding UI and the old icon scheme has been scrapped for more 'modern' shiny themes.
Yaf-splashes now have super-clashing colour-schemes (green on yellow?) and the old dialog system has been replaced with text-boxes that look like you can edit them. Worst of all, Puppy is gaining more flab than you can poke truck at.
Is this moving forward or is this moving backward??? Puppy needs dogfood, not Vista bites
If this candidate represents the later releases of puppy, I'm leaving.
Don't worry, I'm against having pwidgets installed by default, I find the default gtk2 theme way too dark. I have no use for Ptray and PMusic. Once the final is released, I'll release a unofficial version, with most of the bling, and useless programs removed. Anything else you don't like?
ttuuxxx
Ok, I've taken the bait and I'm gonna shake it vigorously 'til I break the line.
disgrace
That is a fairly strong term. Do you care to elaborate? I ask this because none of what you have said points to Puppy-4,2DeepThought being a "disgrace". (Your word)
The rest of your rant is based entirely on
your opinion. Nothing wrong with that... except you could have expressed it in Alpha 1! When was that? Well it wasn't yesterday and it wasn't last week or the week before.
Please, if you are going to criticize, be aware,
Cheers
Mick
Posted: Fri 20 Mar 2009, 13:03
by WhoDo
William (Dthdealer) wrote:Programs have been stripped to make space for a glossy but gouged and bleeding UI and the old icon scheme has been scrapped for more 'modern' shiny themes.
Hmmmm ... seems like you spent a whole 20secs in making your mind up - given the mind in question though 20secs was probably a tad too long, eh?
William (Dthdealer) wrote:Worst of all, Puppy is gaining more flab than you can poke truck at.
99.3Mb doesn't seem like "flab" to me, but hey "flab" is in the eye of the beholder. I happen to think this release has all the graceful curves of an extremely attractive and voluptuous yet slender woman!
William (Dthdealer) wrote:If this candidate represents the later releases of puppy, I'm leaving.
Bye, cupcake. Don't let the door bang you in the tush on your way out!
Geez, I hate empty threats ... they're so ... so ... empty!
Posted: Fri 20 Mar 2009, 13:06
by trio
01micko wrote:
That is a fairly strong term. Do you care to elaborate? I ask this because none of what you have said points to Puppy-4,2DeepThought being a "disgrace". (Your word)
The rest of your rant is based entirely on
your opinion. Nothing wrong with that... except you could have expressed it in Alpha 1! When was that? Well it wasn't yesterday and it wasn't last week or the week before.
Please, if you are going to criticize, be aware,
Cheers
Mick
Down boy..down..it's not worth your energy...let the wind blows..whooosaaaa......
Posted: Fri 20 Mar 2009, 13:09
by trio
whodo
Are we sticking to the title "bugs & fixes" or here we go to hell again? Proclaim your rights Dictator!
Posted: Fri 20 Mar 2009, 13:11
by 01micko
trio wrote:01micko wrote:
That is a fairly strong term. Do you care to elaborate? I ask this because none of what you have said points to Puppy-4,2DeepThought being a "disgrace". (Your word)
The rest of your rant is based entirely on
your opinion. Nothing wrong with that... except you could have expressed it in Alpha 1! When was that? Well it wasn't yesterday and it wasn't last week or the week before.
Please, if you are going to criticize, be aware,
Cheers
Mick
Down boy..down..it's not worth your energy...let the wind blows..whooosaaaa......
ROTFLMAO @ U Bro!!!( there is more to it but I must PM it!)
Posted: Fri 20 Mar 2009, 13:13
by WhoDo
ttuuxxx wrote:You removed your nice icons from the last version and reverted back to the dreaded 'FlatOrange' Why, really it was only the default folder which was too flashy. Other than that, it was real nice.
Why? Lack of ego, I guess.
Someone said they looked like Toys 'R Us and since I loathe the box culture's propensity to turn perfectly good words into their phonetic letter equivalent (are = R?) I just HAD to take them out. They'll be back either in an EZpup addition or simply as a theme to be added later, along with 1 or 2 others (look for l'Bleu as well as l'Orange).
We have 3 icon themes to choose from in RC4. That should cover the gamut of tastes for the moment.