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Posted: Thu 09 Apr 2009, 01:58
by droope
Nevermind, sorry
Posted: Thu 16 Apr 2009, 06:34
by disciple
Why don't we keep the usual shutdown menu in JWM?
There is a thread somewhere where we discussed how dangerous the usual JWM shutdown menu is - people sometimes shutdown accidentally, especially if they use a laptop touchpad that decides you have clicked when you didn't mean to.
ttuuxxx wrote:it was my Idea I brought to 4.2, something I was working on for about 6+months more off than on
I don't really want to restart the mud-slinging (I only just noticed it), but since Zigbert is the second person Ttuuxxx has attacked for "stealing" this code, and to bring a little perspective:
There were at least three people that wrote shutdown gtkdialogs long before ttuuxxx did (one of which was in a puplet), and I unsuccessfully requested Barry include a version, but it is such an obvious idea that we wouldn't accuse
ttuuxxx of "stealing" it.
If you don't like Zigbert's version, that is OK, but there is no reason he shouldn't make it. It's called choice, which is what Linux is all about. Personally I prefer my version
I can't fathom why you would put tabs in a gui unless you need to, as all it does is add mouse-clicks.
Posted: Thu 16 Apr 2009, 07:17
by ttuuxxx
disciple wrote:Why don't we keep the usual shutdown menu in JWM?
There is a thread somewhere where we discussed how dangerous the usual JWM shutdown menu is - people sometimes shutdown accidentally, especially if they use a laptop touchpad that decides you have clicked when you didn't mean to.
ttuuxxx wrote:it was my Idea I brought to 4.2, something I was working on for about 6+months more off than on
I don't really want to restart the mud-slinging (I only just noticed it), but since Zigbert is the second person Ttuuxxx has attacked for "stealing" this code, and to bring a little perspective:
There were at least three people that wrote shutdown gtkdialogs long before ttuuxxx did (one of which was in a puplet), and I unsuccessfully requested Barry include a version, but it is such an obvious idea that we wouldn't accuse
ttuuxxx of "stealing" it.
If you don't like Zigbert's version, that is OK, but there is no reason he shouldn't make it. It's called choice, which is what Linux is all about. Personally I prefer my version
I can't fathom why you would put tabs in a gui unless you need to, as all it does is add mouse-clicks.
This one isn't really stealing/reusing my code much because its JWM specific, But the one during 4.2 beta was, other than using other icons and tossing the banner. It caused a stink then, and then a month later he builds this version and sticks a 'P' on the name and thinks because his did that, it will supersede my version once again, its like a competition. He can call it what ever he wants. But it was a lowdown stunt the first time he tried it during the build of 4.2 and was a complete stupid, idiotic, immature, down right nasty thing to do again 1month later. Like I said puppy has tons of GUI that don't follow any style, theme etc that could use work way more than this one is probably the most unneeded attention GUI that gets the most attention.
As for the tabs. well I didn't want them either but we had a couple of complaints that they just wanted a basic GUI with options on a second menu.
ttuuxxx
Posted: Thu 16 Apr 2009, 08:54
by DaveS
Guys............. PLEASE! Truce?
Ttuuxxx, thanks again for your brilliant Seamonkey theming for 4.2.
Posted: Thu 16 Apr 2009, 10:22
by disciple
But it was a lowdown stunt
Why you always think people have malicious intentions? It wasn't a low-down stunt. You've been saying lately that you don't like bloat - Zigbert is a more extreme minimalist who genuinely likes things to be no bigger than they need to be. I don't for a moment believe he did it to compete with you.
Posted: Thu 16 Apr 2009, 11:00
by ttuuxxx
disciple wrote:But it was a lowdown stunt
Why you always think people have malicious intentions? It wasn't a low-down stunt. You've been saying lately that you don't like bloat - Zigbert is a more extreme minimalist who genuinely likes things to be no bigger than they need to be. I don't for a moment believe he did it to compete with you.
If that was the truth he would drop his Pburn burning backend and upgrade it to libisofs, libburn, libisoburn, cdrskin, xorriso and save over 500kb compressed and have a more stable backend,
Not saving Anything really when the shudown pet package is 20kb compressed including the refresh script and icons&banner that WhoDo wanted to match the flat orange theme, which he didn't bother to listen to and included some undersized reused icons and thats why his was a flop in 4.2. If you would of added the 3scripts, 11 icons/ 1 banner as requested by WhoDo it would of been the same size if not a bit larger because I compressed the icons with gimp. It wasn't a saving of size it was pure jealousy at its finest
That drove him to compete.
ttuuxxx
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewto ... 60&t=40923
Posted: Thu 16 Apr 2009, 11:10
by ttuuxxx
disciple wrote:But it was a lowdown stunt
Why you always think people have malicious intentions? It wasn't a low-down stunt. You've been saying lately that you don't like bloat - Zigbert is a more extreme minimalist who genuinely likes things to be no bigger than they need to be. I don't for a moment believe he did it to compete with you.
Also during the 4.2 build I saved over 5000kb compressed by spending weeks on Seamonkey and then saved over 1000KB compressed on IceWm by spending weeks on that also, and then I saved well over 2000kb on the rest of the programs I compiled for 4.2, a total of 8MB or 8000kb compressed and do you really think that a saving of 15kb compressed and calling my shutdown menu 'Bloat' like he did during 4.2 was justified ???
haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
ttuuxxx
Posted: Thu 16 Apr 2009, 11:38
by DaveS
Why is there no re-start JWM option? Just curious...................
Posted: Thu 16 Apr 2009, 12:46
by ttuuxxx
DaveS wrote:Why is there no re-start JWM option? Just curious...................
Hi dave there is in my package, but its hidden
basically when you select refresh menus, it first runs 'fixmenus' script and then it runs 'restart JWM' or 'restart Icewm' script. Thats why it wasn't in the menu, I did have it in the menu but people complain saying well its part of fixmenu's script so no need to have it twice.
ttuuxxx
Posted: Thu 16 Apr 2009, 12:59
by synth
DaveS wrote:Why is there no re-start JWM option? Just curious...................
Just make a shortcut icon on the desktop and edit it to execute this command
Posted: Thu 16 Apr 2009, 13:01
by DaveS
Ok, thanks. I will just run fixmenu............ Now if I could just get Ptray to display the correct icons...............................................
Posted: Fri 17 Apr 2009, 01:02
by disciple
If that was the truth he would drop his Pburn burning backend and upgrade it to libisofs, libburn, libisoburn, cdrskin, xorriso and save over 500kb compressed and have a more stable backend
I could be wrong, but I don't think he could "upgrade" pburn to use those libs. I think he would have to learn C and gtk programming, and write a completely new, proper compiled program. He is really a Bash+gtkdialog expert, so it is an enormous task you are suggesting.
Posted: Fri 17 Apr 2009, 01:24
by ttuuxxx
disciple wrote:If that was the truth he would drop his Pburn burning backend and upgrade it to libisofs, libburn, libisoburn, cdrskin, xorriso and save over 500kb compressed and have a more stable backend
I could be wrong, but I don't think he could "upgrade" pburn to use those libs. I think he would have to learn C and gtk programming, and write a completely new, proper compiled program. He is really a Bash+gtkdialog expert, so it is an enormous task you are suggesting.
You can also run those via the console, C would be ideal, but Pburn could be adapted to use them, I know this because when I compiled bashburn it used the newer libs.
Also there are loads of documents on it,
http://libburnia-project.org/
ttuuxxx
Posted: Fri 17 Apr 2009, 06:10
by disciple
Oh, OK, you just want to use the command-line front-ends from libburnia. The website says cdrskin is cdrecord compatible, so it shouldn't require an upgrade from Zigbert - whoever releases Puppy would just have to decide to make the switch - now, I wonder about xorriso... You could always try using it instead.
I'm curious about this claim of greater stability - do you have personal experience?
Posted: Fri 17 Apr 2009, 06:48
by ttuuxxx
disciple wrote:Oh, OK, you just want to use the command-line front-ends from libburnia. The website says cdrskin is cdrecord compatible, so it shouldn't require an upgrade from Zigbert - whoever releases Puppy would just have to decide to make the switch - now, I wonder about xorriso... You could always try using it instead.
I'm curious about this claim of greater stability - do you have personal experience?
Well when I made the 512kb xfburn package
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewto ... 35&t=38757 , I was getting emails from people like telling me of how many issues they had with pburn and that they were extremely happy with xfburn, I've been using it ever since I made up the package and its worked perfect every time, really I wish we had some C programmers to add some extra functions to xfburn, The size is excellent for your getting in the package, Really I would like to see puppy move over to xfce and rox, They do have a few nice applications, even a leafpad version called mousepad.lol strange
ttuuxxx
Posted: Fri 17 Apr 2009, 07:50
by disciple
Yes, I like xfce. But I'd prefer to see it as a standard .sfs addon, as it takes up a huge amount of ram compared to JWM + Rox (Although I haven't tried 4.6 yet).
What xfce really need is a paint program - maybe they should adopt Nathural
I think almost all problems with Pburn have been bugs in Pburn, rather than instability in the backends. Personally I'd also expect at least that many bugs in a program so complicated, that has developed so fast, with relatively little testing. (Unless you have quite a thorough programmer - but IIRC Zigbert has claimed he isn't really a programmer
)
Posted: Sun 19 Apr 2009, 06:54
by zigbert
Version 0.2 with Language support
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Language support
Would you kindly translate these variables to your language and post them here.
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LOC_SHUTDOWN=" Shutdown "
LOC_REBOOT=" Reboot "
LOC_LOCK="Lock screen"
LOC_PROMPT="Exit to prompt"
LOC_RESTART="Restart"
Posted: Sun 19 Apr 2009, 07:06
by ttuuxxx
JERK for continuing this crap, why don't you and ecomoney join forces and really screw over as many people as you can, why not have a competition and the winner could get the biggest jerk of puppy linux award? !!!!
ttuuxxx
Posted: Sun 19 Apr 2009, 11:48
by zigbert
Maybe it's best to send your translations as a pm. It is no need to put yourself in an exposed position.
Sigmund
Posted: Sun 19 Apr 2009, 11:55
by trapster
Looking good zigbert!
@ttuuxxx
You don't keep guns in the house do you?