Lucid Puppy 5.1.1 Release - This is the official release

[Karl Godt]

I want to add that PuppyBrowser ( "dillo" ) worked fine at first internetconnection, google showed up.

The Buttons are not so "easy to use" and I decided to download OPERA 10.10 via quickpet installer.

I decided for opera because I detected that the mozilla browsers (seamonkey and firefox updated!) did not render the codeboxes right here at the forum.

After installing Opera which I suspected to drop some shared libs somewhere I installed Firefox the same way also.

To my "surprise" firefox renders the codeboxes same like opera 9.62 + 10.10 does.

But : PuppyBrowser doesn't show anything anymore : just blank white pages.

I believe that is some libaries related.

luci-218

[playdayz]

But : PuppyBrowser doesn't show anything anymore : just blank white pages.

I believe that is some libraries related.

Yes Karl, There does seem to be some incompatibility between PuppyBrowser and other browser. In luci-219, PuppyBrowser is replaced by Midori. PuppyBrowser is pretty old; Midori is not brand-new either but it is static, meaning, "self-contained." Thanks.

Here's the link to the sfs
http://code.google.com/p/puppy-developm ... up-435.sfs

Thanks JamesC. Unfortunately that is the larger shared version--I have pm'ed technosaurus to see if he might have made an updated static version. Thanks for getting it to me so quickly.
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[Karl Godt]

MIDORI is running

Fast and comfortable. Seems to have eveything that someone needs

Arrows, entry boxes, menubar : PuppyBrowser de luxe !

While playing with 412 version of puppy I recocnized to rmmod usb_storage for internet access, 4.3 could handle it automatically, now 5.1s seem to need it again. But that's o.k.

so it's not a bug to pupdial, just an inconvenience.

[Lobster]

Not sure how this is happening or why
but the memory leaking is back (in Seamonkey and Firefox)
10 minutes of stream video and my browser locks up

Tried installing an earlier Flash - did not help

[playdayz]

Not sure how this is happening or why
but the memory leaking is back (in Seamonkey and Firefox)
10 minutes of stream video and my browser locks up

Is this in a fresh install or pfix=ram? The browsers don't seem to play well together.

[don570]

In the midst of all this debate about browsers i.e. 'the browser wars',
I have a suggestion to avoid all of this.


Instead of downloading an ISO of Puppy each time we want a new install,
why don't we download a tarball instead. The tarball would contain 3 files:

1: The ISO of Puppy
2: The 'best' version of a browser (either .sfs or .pet)
3: A Read Me text file to explain how to install Puppy
(in many languages of course)

Food for thought.

[Billtoo]

Booted live cd with pfix=ram.
Booted directly to desktop with correct resolution.
Didn't auto connect to wired network.
Ran network wizard,setup firewall,setup alsa.
Changed icon set to smooth color but quickpet icon was unchanged.
Downloaded and installed Xorg_high.pet in quickpet.

# glxgears
226 frames in 5.0 seconds
269 frames in 5.0 seconds
270 frames in 5.0 seconds
258 frames in 5.0 seconds
269 frames in 5.0 seconds
269 frames in 5.0 seconds
#

Computer
Processor
mobile AMD Duron(tm)
Memory
742MB (96MB used)
Operating System
Puppy Linux 0.21
User Name
root (root)
Date/Time
Thu 26 Aug 2010 08:42:46 PM GMT-8
Display
Resolution
1440x900 pixels
OpenGL Renderer
Software Rasterizer
X11 Vendor
The X.Org Foundation


OpenGL
Vendor
Mesa Project
Renderer
Software Rasterizer
Version
2.1 Mesa 7.7.1
Direct Rendering
Yes

Rebooted to create save file.
Wired network no longer connected so rerun network wizard.
Download and update Firefox to 368 with quickpet.
Downloaded vlc.
Added tunapie from ubuntu repo in ppm
Compiled weechat.

With the exception of wired network not being persistent 219
is working well on this almost 10 year old computer.
Runs fast,I can watch internet tv,awesome!

Processor
Name mobile AMD Duron(tm)
Family, model, stepping 6, 7, 0 (AMD Duron (Morgan))
Vendor AuthenticAMD
Configuration
Cache Size 64kb
Frequency 849.95MHz
BogoMIPS 1699.89
Byte Order Little Endian

edit: I unplugged the ethernet cable and am using a spare linksys usb wireless
network adaptor and after re-running the network wizard for wireless the network
is now working after a reboot.

[playdayz]

nstead of downloading an ISO of Puppy each time we want a new install,
why don't we download a tarball instead. The tarball would contain 3 files:

1: The ISO of Puppy
2: The 'best' version of a browser (either .sfs or .pet)
3: A Read Me text file to explain how to install Puppy
(in many languages of course)

Lobster said something similar. What do you mean by the "best version of a browser" please?

It would certainly be possible to package extra programs with Puppy, but with such widespread connectivity, I think, why not store them on the internet instead and install them with "one-click" (as we do)? I wonder what percentage of puppy users download the iso themselves versus receiving a CD--and what percentage do not have any internet connectivity--high in the first case, very low in the second is my guess.
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More food for thought.

What was the average RAM size and hard disk size when Puppy was created as a 100MB distro? Say just three years ago. Moore's Law, that computer capabilities double every 18 months says that the RAM and disk space would have been 1/4 of what they are now--two times 18 months ago. So Puppy has increased by 30% from 100 to 130MB when RAM and disk space have increased by 400%. That makes us much smaller now than we were then

[Lobster]

Is this in a fresh install or pfix=ram? The browsers don't seem to play well together.

It is a fresh 'puppy pfix=ram' (during boot)
This is to do with Flash, memory leakage
or the woof upgrades - I should imagine.

Until others report something similar I can not say.

[scsijon]

now here's a shake

started with box2 for a change!

frugal install to /sda3

started from cd

- booted up ok
found it was using a nonlisted screen matrix 1552x864@60hz which is why my monitor only shows freq. and it's not a widescreen monitor.

used the welcome to lucid puppy screen res change and it did it ok. YEAH!

-wanted to set as aus and GMT+10, picked what I thought would do it with change language and locale,
but it would only change country not the timezone.

-changed screen icons to blue moon, I hate the flat grey ones (but that's my option),
however the quickpet icon didn't change.

-XA-

- still no blinky icon, just a space, but being dialup....

-loaded some pets from a memstick and decided I needed to resize savefile, used resize and told it to add 256M, was told to reboot.

- rebooted

-restarted in wrong menu item (218) by mistake
It resized 218's savefile not the new 219's

- rebooted again

- it wouldn't start, kept giving an error 11.

-rebooted into 218 and checked menu.1st script against what was in my menusave (copy of actual screen when writing out), looked ok, tried again, nogo, figured I must have stuffed up somewhere so deleted \puppy219directory and started again.

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box2 try2

same as above to -XA- marker

noticed drive icons appeared in two rows with only the first showing writing, second above 1st had floppy and cdroms in it

using drive icons manager fixed that

- frugal install, checked menu against what I had already,
- it had an extra line added wrt floppy and one missing against previous versions
added # rootnoverify (hd0,x) in (commented out) x=in my case 3

- did a savefile exit and reboot

menu still gave an error,

- restarted in 218, uncommented the rootnoverify and rebooted

started now but an error wrt floppy

- up in 219

but no floppy icon

- commented the added line wrt floppy and rebooted, it came up ok.

** suspect if your not using first partition of hd0 it's needed**

- added some pets

- attempted to resize again

resizer said partition only had 562meg free but partview saya 61.0gig????

- Modem next
still no internal netcomm modem detected.

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stopped here, problems already found need attention first.

sorry folks, but gone back to a stable and working 431 on box2

regards
scsijon

p.s. When I started in puppy (214CE) my top box was 256meg most were 128meg, now most are 4gig with 2gig modules and top is 16gig with 4 gig modules, which are now price competitive. Also hard drives were approaching 1gig, now they are in the terrabyte sizes. Wonder what 2012 will bring, let alone 2020?

[scsijon]

Is this in a fresh install or pfix=ram? The browsers don't seem to play well together.

It is a fresh 'puppy pfix=ram' (during boot)
This is to do with Flash, memory leakage
or the woof upgrades - I should imagine.

Until others report something similar I can not say.

Are they using firefox3.6.6 and the flash 10 pets? it's not giving me problems unless you try to install the flash first then it caused all sorts of problems. (ie add firefox366 then the flash pet, restart x, then upgrade ff).

scsijon

[Lobster]

Are they using firefox3.6.6 and the flash 10 pets?

This is similar to a Flash related problem, that had been sorted.
I started using Midori - Midori just closed down on me. So that is out for me.
I have tried FF, Seamonkey and Opera. None can play videos from the BBC or Youtube for more than 15 minutes. This is a new pristine Puppy. What has changed since 510?
If others are viewing streaming media OK, then . . . well I am not sure . . . We need some more reports.

I am using Ubuntu to post this.
The shame of it!

[sinc]

None can play videos from the BBC or Youtube for more than 15 minutes.

If I were to try this my issue would be the loss of connectivity. Are you on a wireless connection b/c my wireless connection drops every few minutes? If so, maybe try with a wired connection.

[nooby]

Happy that so many test it out.

I am too lazy. I tested LupQ yesterday and today so I am totally absorbed in getting that one going.

To be motivated to test a new 5.1.1 runner up I feel for knowing in what way would it be better than the LupQ me already spent time to get going?

Yes I know one can test as a service to the developers altruistically.

Most likely I will sooner or later but am now into LupQ

is LupQ less good, lacking something 219 have?

[Karl Godt]

IRON BROWSER DownLoad Link 32+64bit

22.5 MB .tar.gz pretty large but for multiple-cpu boards manageable.

new kernel = new largeness !

Midori seems to have problems with the input boxes at 'post'

after several posts navigating with the direction keys leads to freeze of midori.

top showed midori up to 90% cpu

killing from the upper window framebar menu killed the window but not the process.

needed kill pid from console

also 'speeddial' doesn't show up the other day (like operas 9 mini previews).

changed some keyboard settings at wizardwizard and midori Edit>Preferences
without success so far.

also had to disconnect and connect again

because after 2-5 hours and three windows with several tabs only blank pages or 'try again' showed up.

newer heard of iron browser so far

what about chameleon ?

chameleon.mozdev.org

[ICPUG]

Playdayz said:

It would certainly be possible to package extra programs with Puppy, but with such widespread connectivity, I think, why not store them on the internet instead and install them with "one-click" (as we do)? I wonder what percentage of puppy users download the iso themselves versus receiving a CD--and what percentage do not have any internet connectivity--high in the first case, very low in the second is my guess.
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More food for thought.

What was the average RAM size and hard disk size when Puppy was created as a 100MB distro? Say just three years ago. Moore's Law, that computer capabilities double every 18 months says that the RAM and disk space would have been 1/4 of what they are now--two times 18 months ago. So Puppy has increased by 30% from 100 to 130MB when RAM and disk space have increased by 400%. That makes us much smaller now than we were then

Unquote:

Oh dear! I see you are one of those people who thinks
(a) because you have a fast internet connection everyone else has
(b) because computers keep getting bigger and faster then everybody goes out and buys a new computer every 3-5 years.

I disagree and I see there will be no point in trying to change your opinion. I want to stay friends!

To go back to what rcrn51 said about my using Quirky or Wary if I wish the 100MB Puppy experience. I don't necessarily WANT the 100MB Puppy experience. I am thinking of those that do not have fast internet connections or who have old machines who would benefit from it. That was a target market for Puppy - perhaps because Barry had a slow internet connection at the time!

No matter how good Quirky or Wary is Barry has said that these are test beds and NOT official Puppies. They change quite significantly from release to release as they test different ideas. Therefore I would never recommend them as a Puppy for general use.

To respond to one other point of rcrn51. Yes, the loading of modules (via Quickpet) is what a lot of people want. I have been a strong supporter of the modular Puppy.

However, I was not suggesting I disapprove of the Quickpet approach.

What I am wary of is that everyone must use this approach to get a basic functional Puppy. Even when you have a fast internet connection it is irritating to some that such a Puppy does not work out of the box.

I am also concerned that when you have got your basic functional Puppy (as defined by Puppy 4.3.1) the size has now increased by at least 30% for no apparent benefit or reason.

I will not push this point any more here. As Stripe said the developers make the decisions in the end. I just periodically have an urge to give them a reality check when I feel their view of the world out there, on which they make their decisions, may not be quite right!

[pemasu]

Possible computation: Reality check (negative snapping) + development tests (positive drive + attitude) = better distro

EDIT: My first and last comment about this.

[playdayz]

IRON BROWSER DownLoad Link 32+64bit

22.5 MB .tar.gz pretty large but for multiple-cpu boards manageable.

new kernel = new largeness !

Midori seems to have problems with the input boxes at 'post'

Here is a pet of Iron 5 -> http://diddywahdiddy.net/Puppy500/Iron- ... -Lucid.pet

What do you mean please by "the input boxes at post"?

[pemasu]

My Iron 4.0 sfs 17 Mb in testbench right now. Linked with jrb sfs-tcz linker.
Seems to work fine. I posted it in Upup thread some time ago.

[playdayz]

Possible computation: Reality check (negative snapping) + development tests (positive drive + attitude) = better distro

pemasu, it is very intriguing, but I am afraid I cannot interpret it. Or maybe I can: do a lot of development and try to fix the problems! Plus, Have an idea about where you want to go and keep your eye on the prize.
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(a) because you have a fast internet connection everyone else has
(b) because computers keep getting bigger and faster then everybody goes out and buys a new computer every 3-5 years.

I disagree and I see there will be no point in trying to change your opinion. I want to stay friends!

We will definitely stay friends. I think it is very a appropriate to discuss the theoretical questions. There is some truth in what you say. Lupu does have the goal to be a "full-featured compact distro." I think it is appropriate to consider what would be the "average" computer setup. Several people though are competing to see who can run Lupu on the oldest hardware--I think is is a 165MZ cpu so far! For older hardware we specifically have Wary. I disagree that "the size has now increased by at least 30% for no apparent benefit or reason. " When I started uPup, Puppy 4.3.1 could not run Firefox 3.5--which was the reason I started it actually. Take a look in Puppy Package Manager and see a good assortment of programs that Lucid can run. It is not only that Lucid can run them, but also that they are easy to prepare and so developer's time can be more efficient. What I mean there is that it is probably possible to get all those programs to run on other puppies, but it is much easier to get them to run on Lucid. Thanks.

"What I am wary of is that everyone must use this approach to get a basic functional Puppy."