Turbopup Xtreme v1.0 - The fastest dog on Earth

[panzerpuppy]

And you're actually doing a downgrade with your 'awesome looking' JWM setup:

You're adding an additional taskbar. That's a huge waste of space since the original (vertical) taskbar in synth's Turbopup Xtreme acts as *both* a launchbar and a taskbar with a system tray.

With synth's taskbar,if you open some programs / windows, small tabs are placed under the shutdown icon (that's the vertical taskbar area) , wasting the least space possible.

Synth's Turbopup Xtreme has the most efficient taskbar design I've ever seen in a Linux distro

[panzerpuppy]

Here's a good example of the speed difference between Turbopup Xtreme and Puppy 4.3.1:

In Puppy 4.3.1 Opera 10 uses up to 5% CPU when idle / doing nothing (that's with all Puppy services disabled), while Turbopup Xtreme uses 0%

That means you have smoother Flash video playback with Turbopup Xtreme.

[panzerpuppy]

Since I don't ever use my modem, I'd like to prevent these processes from loading at startup. I wonder what's the best way to do this?

If you block the modem drivers, you'll gain a bit of free memory at the expense of a slower boot time.

[synth]

Turbopup Xtreme uses 12MB of RAM on my test machine with full X.org server running at 1600x1200 24bpp

[a-dub]

And you're actually doing a downgrade with your 'awesome looking' JWM setup:

Wow, really? OMG!! I thought I was doing an UPGRADE by adding a taskbar and larger, easier-to-see icons. I thought that would improve my productivity and computing experience, but how stupid was I. Gee! Thanks for letting me know. Maybe I should also remove X, ROX, JWM, and just work from the command line.

Jeez... chill. I like TurboPup, I made some changes to suit my need, it worked out great, and I wanted to tell Synth and other people about my positive experience. Sorry if that offended you, and thanks for doing such a superb job in welcoming a newbie to the Puppy Linux community.

[Hugh]

Wow, really? OMG!! I thought I was doing an UPGRADE by adding a taskbar and larger, easier-to-see icons. I thought that would improve my productivity and computing experience, but how stupid was I. Gee! Thanks for letting me know. Maybe I should also remove X, ROX, JWM, and just work from the command line.

Jeez... chill. I like TurboPup, I made some changes to suit my need, it worked out great, and I wanted to tell Synth and other people about my positive experience. Sorry if that offended you, and thanks for doing such a superb job in welcoming a newbie to the Puppy Linux community.

Things are rarely what we see them to be or believe them to be.

You've not offended anyone so there is no need to take offense.

You are free to 'enhance' your Puppy as you see fit but expect to receive 'pointers' and 'critique' from the 'old hands.' It is not meant to demean your efforts but simply to point out that 'trade-offs' are always involved in any 'improvement.' As we seek 'perfection' in the performance of our Pups we learn a lot of 'tricks' along the way to accomplish what is at first, not apparent.

We're all 'newbies' to something or other...

[Puppyt]

...and while Hugh has mentioned newbies, cue for Puppyt-

Beta Looks and runs absolutely FAB on my main P4 computer, synth - Many Thanks!

panzerpuppy mentioned the inverse relationship with bootup/running speed and vintage of the computer - all related to the kernel issues that were raised earlier in this thread, I guess.
Is there a strategy recommended for getting TurboPup Alpha or Beta up and running on a P1 laptop with 16 mb ram apart from, a) using it instead as an artificial reef etc or b) buying more ram: the Toshiba 430CDS maxes-out at 48 mb - I'd still be on a hiding to nothing...
I ask because puppy1 - puppy3 ultralights (e.g., MeanPup, Simple Pup, fat free 217 & 301, retros) freeze either before or within X-server bootup (even in xvesa) while both Pulp0.03 and 214X15 get "closest" to completing the X window bootup... Seems to me that the extensive methods for stripping back resource demands for recent computers might also be applicable for dated, ram-deprived machines - provided they were compatible with the kernel, and given the appropriate boot parameters and command-line commands. Is it possible with the Turbo?

Should I just turn the 430CDS into a frisbee for Puppy?

P.S. Trying SliTaz-loram, DeLi 0.8 and Kantonix 2005-04-lite (thanks darelljon) - but... it just ain't Puppy

[Aitch]

Puppyt

Just for you....

http://www.toshiba-europe.com/computers ... /index.htm

Only 13 years ago....

Have you tried posting in ttuuxxx's 214XX thread ?

http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewto ... start=2220

Only problems I've seen with the 430CDS seems to be PCMCIA/networking. [430CDT, sorry, but should be v similar]...?

http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=26005

Aitch

[nancy reagan]

Hi, I cannot dl the iso ..

[sinc]

edit wrong link

[synth]

Breaking (Turbopup) News:

Turbopup Xtreme reaches a new milestone: a record-breaking memory footprint of only 10.5 MiB with the full Xorg server running @ 1600x1200 / 24bpp.

With a new set of tweaks and optimizations, I've managed to reduce the memory footprint even more (by a whopping 1 MiB)

[sinc]

synth, are you planning on moving to the 4.3.1 base with the updated kernel?

i still cannot try it b/c it won't boot for me.

[panzerpuppy]

try this location.
username: puppy
password: linux

http://puppyisos.org

/isos/2009-07-to-12/dpup-482beta3-2.6.30.5.iso

shift+insert should paste.

@sinc: That's *NOT* Turbopup Xtreme Beta 1, it's the latest build of Dpup

The download link for Turbopup Xtreme is gone !
Looks like MU messed up something and instead of transfering the ISO from the temporary directory to Puppyisos.org, he deleted everything in that directory

[synth]

synth, are you planning on moving to the 4.3.1 base with the updated kernel?

Turbopup 1.0
-----------------
Turbopup Xtreme will have a couple more RC releases (more updates, further speed and memory footprint improvements). The regular version of Turbopup has been discontinued.

Turbopup 2.x
-----------------
Turbopup 2 regular (the next generation, coming soon) will use the new kernel and the optimizations found in the original Turbopup
There are no plans for an 'xtreme' version of Turbopup 2.

[sinc]

panzer, ooops . you are right. I have no idea what I was thinking. I must have had a brain lapse. my fault. I removed the link. sorry

[Puppyt]

Puppyt

Just for you....
...
Only 13 years ago....

Have you tried posting in ttuuxxx's 214XX thread ?

http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewto ... start=2220

Only problems I've seen with the 430CDS seems to be PCMCIA/networking. [430CDT, sorry, but should be v similar]...?

http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=26005

Aitch

Cheers Aitch -
thankyou very much for ferreting out those links on my behalf - my research shows you're a major proponent for the "low ram" condition (along with Murga, cthisbear, muggins, ttuuxx etc) and your input is very much appreciated! I've been watching ttuuxx's 214X, 218X and 220 threads as well as this one for ages, for using on computers from this technological epoch, and not those over 10 years old. This one fell into my lap last week - didn't realize that the 430CDS was such a poison chalice (i.e., dog bait). For it I've even dug out ttuuxx's FH301RetroLiteV2 - gets to the same endpoint as Xtreme Beta, 214X15, FatFree217, Puppy4.12RetroBB etc: they all freeze loading the X windows (including Xvesa option). You know the symptom- with the "X" or cursor arrow frozen in centre of a "tweed" screen, all drive activity flatlined and no 3-fingered salute will revive it. I found that others were having problems with olde Toshiba LCD screens, I will try the provided drivers. Currently writing a report on the current status of low ram computers for the Forum, summarizing 50+ threads (including this one for Librettos http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=40512 ).

I won't hijack synth's thread any longer, save ask whether it would be possible having a minimized X11 without background processes loaded (e.g., freemapplet, blinky etc etc) so that the 'extras' could be loaded sequentially or as required, by the user of a low-ram machine? Kinda like a ChoicePup and Greyhound hybrid occurring at the CLI level, before X11 first gets running. Alternatively, would it be possible having "nothing" but Launchy http://www.launchy.net/ running in X, reducing (I think?) the overheads even further?

Trying Xtreme Beta again loaded between computers from caddy-to-IDE, also investigating hardware issues that can't be helping. Will post again if I have Xtreme success with a 16Mb ram lapdog.

Cheers!

[nancy reagan]

CAN SOMEBODY RE UPLOAD THE ISO TO SOMEWHERE ?

Thanks in advance

[panzerpuppy]

@Puppyt:
You can try this trick on your low-memory junktops:

Insert the CD in the drive and press 'P' on the keyboard rapidly before the boot screen appears, so you can access the boot options. You have only 0.5 seconds to do this (LOL)

Now delete all those 'pppppp...' letters with the backspace key and boot Puppy with the

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puppy pfix=nox

command.

The system will boot as CLI only. If you want Xvesa or Xorg, just type

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xorgwizard

and select Xvesa with the lowest possible resolution (640x480x16)

If this does not work for you, you'll have to wait for the next release (Turbopup Xtreme Beta 2) which will be even more extreme - the new dog will use at least 1 MB less RAM.

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panzerpuppy

[synth]

ISO image re-uploaded & all download links fixed.

Enjoy

[sinc]

synth, I had a chance to try out turbopup xtreme on my dads pentium one with 64 megs of ram and it ran pretty well. it was at least usable compared to every other thing I've ever tried on it. i can't wait for turbopup 2 with the new kernel so I can use it on my own laptop.