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fredx181 · #2301 Post by **fredx181** » Sun 13 Apr 2014, 07:59

Hi William
I see now you have grub4dos on sda1, that changes the situation indeed.

But what if I want to keep old setups such as that one I had on /dev/sda1. Is there no way to prevent menu.lst boot code stanza from seeing the 'wrong' live folder (the from= parameter maybe)? Otherwise, I imagine a lot of people could run into a similar problem.

To be absolutely safe you can use "LABEL" or "UUID",
from the porteus docs:

SPECIAL NOTE FOR USING CHEATCODES WITH 'LABEL' AND 'UUID':
If you specify a LABEL or UUID with a cheatcode, remember that all
portions of these commands are case sensitive. You should use a
unique label for each of your partitions if you wish to use device
labels with your cheatcodes. Use the 'blkid' command to view your
device's UUID and LABEL. Using UUID and LABEL can be quite handy
because they are unique to your device, and your data will be found
and properly mapped on different hardware configurations.
Every cheatcode which contains a /path can take advantage of 'UUID:'
and 'LABEL:' extensions.

Examples:
changes=UUID:STrING-0F-ChARACtERS/path/file.dat
extramod=LABEL:YourLabelName/path/to_folder/with_modules
from=UUID:STrING-0F-ChARACtERS/path/folder
rootcopy=LABEL:YourLabelName/path/to_folder/with_files

What Toni suggested is also fine of course:

Folder 'live' is inside folder 'debdog' (needs 'from' parameter):
Code:
title Live-port-dog from debdog (sda1/debdog)
root (hd0,0)
kernel /debdog/live/vmlinuz1 noauto copy2ram from=/debdog/ changes=/debdog/live/
initrd /debdog/live/initrd1.xz

but still has a risk for folders with same name on different drives.

Fred

fredx181 · #2302 Post by **fredx181** » Sun 13 Apr 2014, 08:09

Hi Toni
Talking about xfe: I noticed that copy/paste doesn't work in the beta.
If I do right-click Copy and go to another folder (without closing xfe) and try Paste it's grey.
Only pasting to / works for me though.
You experience the same?

Fred

mcewanw · #2303 Post by **mcewanw** » Sun 13 Apr 2014, 08:10

Thanks Fred, good to know these methods you describe. I'll start using labels. I don't use uuids because I have a habit of switching usb flash drives for different os boots and I expect they will all have different uuids so would have to keep modifying menu.lst.

The beta iso is working really well now. Proving to be a great system I think, with so much flexibility, multi-user, and also full true debian power in Puppy download size. And this is just the beta...

mcewanw · #2304 Post by **mcewanw** » Sun 13 Apr 2014, 08:13

fredx181 wrote:Hi Toni
Talking about xfe: I noticed that copy/paste doesn't work in the beta.
If I do right-click Copy and go to another folder (without closing xfe) and try Paste it's grey.
Only pasting to / works for me though.
You experience the same?

Fred

Hi Fred, I just tried and copy/paste seems to work okay for me. Can you give an example of what folders/files you tried to copy from and to where?

William

EDIT: ah, tried a different test and I couldn't paste a folder /etc/menu into /home/puppy

EDIT2: something weird going on. Tried posting into subfolder of /home/puppy and that worked. Then went back to /home/puppy and this time I was able to post into it...

EDIT3: No. It seems I CAN paste into subdir of /home/puppy but not into /home/puppy itself.

So far for me it is just /home/puppy I can't paste into from xfe, so far at least.

saintless · #2305 Post by **saintless** » Sun 13 Apr 2014, 08:36

Copy/paste is different in the latest XFE version. You need to click in empty space or top-folder. See the picture for /home/puppy where the right click should be. /home/puppy is full with files to the bottom and there is no empty space to click on.

Toni

mcewanw · #2306 Post by **mcewanw** » Sun 13 Apr 2014, 08:45

saintless wrote:Copy/paste is different in the latest XFE version. You need to click in empty space or top-folder. See the picture for /home/puppy where the right click should be. /home/puppy is full with files to the bottom and there is no empty space to click on.

Toni

Ah, okay, a bit weird, but fine once you know.

fredx181 · #2307 Post by **fredx181** » Sun 13 Apr 2014, 08:48

Copy/paste is different in the latest XFE version. You need to click in empty space or top-folder. See the picture for /home/puppy where the right click should be. /home/puppy is full with files to the bottom and there is no empty space to click on.

Yes, I see now, just thought it didn't work , it's the behaviour that is different than before.
Fred

saintless · #2308 Post by **saintless** » Sun 13 Apr 2014, 08:49

XFE latest gives right click Scripts folder option which is very useful.
One more way to paste in /home/pupy folder for example on the picture.

Toni

saintless · #2309 Post by **saintless** » Sun 13 Apr 2014, 15:02

New separate kernel module 3.13.0.bpo.1-486 uploaded:
http://smokey01.com/saintless/DebianDog ... 3.13.0.zip

025-kernel-3.13.0.zip - only live-boot-3x and live-boot-2x initrd files included.

It needs initramfs-tools upgrade otherwise gives dependencies problem message running apt-get update after running update-dpkg script in /opt/bin.Initramfs-tools will be upgraded in main DebianDog module soon.
Initramfs-tools_0.115 download link till next DebianDog iso is uploaded:
http://smokey01.com/saintless/Fredx181/ ... +1_all.deb

Toni

fredx181 · #2310 Post by **fredx181** » Sun 13 Apr 2014, 17:01

Hi All
Here's for testing:
DebianDog-Porteus-openbox_xfce-test.iso

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0ByBgCD ... sp=sharing

It has 3 boot-method options: live-boot v2, live-boot v3 and porteus.

Compared to last openbox-xfce setup from Porteus-Wheezy I changed a lot.
- Added more applications.
- Different look: Greybird theme.
- Menu is now the "Whisker-menu".
If you want back the default xfce menu: right-click on panel > Panel > Panel-preferences > tab:Items and remove Whisker-menu and add default xfce menu.

I didn't attempt to make it the same as Toni's DebianDog, there's a difference in included applications, although there's lot in common.

The size (150Mb) is larger than I would like but it's also because of the 3 boot methods.
When you would use just one boot method (and remove the other initrd files) the size will be around 135Mb.

Fred

dancytron · #2311 Post by **dancytron** » Sun 13 Apr 2014, 18:21

fredx181 wrote:Hi All
Here's for testing:
DebianDog-Porteus-openbox_xfce-test.iso

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0ByBgCD ... sp=sharing

It has 3 boot-method options: live-boot v2, live-boot v3 and porteus.

Compared to last openbox-xfce setup from Porteus-Wheezy I changed a lot.
- Added more applications.
- Different look: Greybird theme.
- Menu is now the "Whisker-menu".
If you want back the default xfce menu: right-click on panel > Panel > Panel-preferences > tab:Items and remove Whisker-menu and add default xfce menu.

I didn't attempt to make it the same as Toni's DebianDog, there's a difference in included applications, although there's lot in common.

The size (150Mb) is larger than I would like but it's also because of the 3 boot methods.
When you would use just one boot method (and remove the other initrd files) the size will be around 135Mb.

Fred

Downloaded this and burned it to DVD. Booted sucessfully 3 different ways (2 debian in ram and porteus in ram). Everything seems to work correctly, although I haven't had a lot of time to test it.

Is there something in particular you want to test? If so, I'll look at it tomorrow morning.

fredx181 · #2312 Post by **fredx181** » Sun 13 Apr 2014, 19:16

dancytron wrote:Is there something in particular you want to test?

Well, the diifferent boot methods are the most important to test, but you did that already, thanks.

Fred

saintless · #2313 Post by **saintless** » Sun 13 Apr 2014, 19:28

fredx181 wrote:Hi All
Here's for testing:
DebianDog-Porteus-openbox_xfce-test.iso

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0ByBgCD ... sp=sharing

Hi, Fred.
Uploaded also here for testing:
http://smokey01.com/saintless/DebianDog ... e-test.iso

I can't make it work on my main DebianDog testing machines with Pentium 600 Mhz and 128 and 256 Mb Ram. It boots to desktop, clock appears on the taskbar and nothing more happens. The mouse cursor is active but does not open menu with left or right click. I thought it could be SLIM problem but I see there is no login manager installed.

I made bootable flash drive from DebianDog chosing folder install and boots fine on Toshiba laptop with 1,6 Ghz processor and 512Mb RAM. I see no desktop wallpaper. The menu is nice and very similar to KDE menu I use with KDPup.

Two small fixes I see from opening the modules:
live-rw-backing should be a folder. The symlink to /live/image was a mistake in previous DebianDog version.
I see obshutdown is installed in the main module. Better to remove /var folder and /opt/bin/update-dpkg-... from /base/021-apps porteus.squashfs. If update-dpkg script runs it will probably give dpkg error because of duplicate obshutdown menu entry in status file.

Puppy account has the Linux-Village wallpaper and the standard xfce menu.

I will test it more tomorrow. I thought conky prevents it to work on my low-ram machines but it boots fine with Porteus-Wheezy all 3 versions on the same computers.

Toni

fredx181 · #2314 Post by **fredx181** » Sun 13 Apr 2014, 19:50

Hi Toni

I can't make it work on my main DebianDog testing machines with Pentium 600 Mhz and 128 and 256 Mb Ram. It boots to desktop, clock appears on the taskbar and nothing more happens.

That looks like the same problem I only have sometimes, also with porteus-wheezy.
Can you try again tomorrow and when this happens just move the mouse cursor a little on the systemtray?
If that activates the rest (systemtray,desktop) then it's the same as I had.
It's a bit simular to the icewm systray problem we once had.
I probably need to edit autostart flle, put some sleep commands in it.

Two small fixes I see from opening the modules:
live-rw-backing should be a folder. The symlink to /live/image was a mistake in previous DebianDog version.

It was the only way to make it work to open the 'home' drive when clicking on the drive icon, why was it a mistake in previous DebianDog?
Any other idea to make it work right?

Fred

sunburnt · #2315 Post by **sunburnt** » Sun 13 Apr 2014, 20:52

Toni & All; Really like the beta. It`s so Puppy-like that it`s scary.

I also really like the floating tree wallpaper, and the penguin`s good too.

The menu seems to need a little arranging ( as we had said ).
Desktop file editing needed. Some items it`s just the "Categories=" order.
Menu suggestions:
1 ) Refresh Menus > System ???
2 ) GParted > Utility ?
3 ) Xfe, Rox, & Xterm > Utility ? ( I see them as normal apps.)
4 ) Bash Dash & Shell > System ?
5 ) Dillo > Internet
6 ) The 4 items in Misc > Utility ( all-mountall, etc.)
7 ) Set deflt Apps "menu name" = Set Default Apps ( probably my fault...)
8 ) Restart & Exit "menu names" = Restart WM & Exit WM ( add a separator below )
9 ) xev "menu name" = X Event Tester
10 ) editres "menu name" = X Resource Editor
11 ) Make-Save "menu name" = Make Save File
12 ) Rename Lxlauncher to a more descriptive name ?
13 ) Menu items: IceWm & JWM named "Start ..." , and move to: System
Them being in "Settings" makes you think they`re config. utilities.
# And both WMs do need config. utilities in "Settings". And themes...

I see a few "System" and "Settings" items that could be swapped.
A lot of apps are kinda quasi categories, SFS tools and other items.
Some of the System stuff seems more like settings. It`s kinda vague.
As I have said, app. items could appear in several sub menus.

# What is this empty File for.? /root/echo
.

saintless · #2316 Post by **saintless** » Sun 13 Apr 2014, 20:54

Hi, Fred.

Moving the cursor over the traybar or anywhere else does not help. I think it has something to do with the new start menu for root but you are also right about the sleep commands I guess.
Creating small squash file with only inittab to boot to puppy acount boots to user desktop. Then exit and login as root 2 times makes the desktop icons and taskbar to appear for root also.

I tested to add also /live-rw-backing folder to overwrite the simlink and I see no change opening home drive and desktop-drive-icons. What exactly is the problem that needs /live-rw-backing to be a symlink to /live/image instead a folder? I guess it will not make problems if you leave it this way.

live-rw-backing is mount point for live-rw save file when we use one. if it is missing we get warning on boot with live-boot-2. It also prevents rox to open the boot partition from desktop drive icons if /live-rw-backing is missing.
The right way is to make it as separate folder. Symlink also works but /live/image/live-rw is mounted on /live/image At least i think it should be separate folder. It shows the size of live-rw when click properties on /live-rw-backing folder.

Toni

saintless · #2317 Post by **saintless** » Sun 13 Apr 2014, 21:00

Hi, Terry.
I will reread your post tomorrow to make the changes in the menu.

sunburnt wrote:# What is this empty File for.? /root/echo
.

Just something I forgot to remove. Some more cleaning can be done in /root and /home/puppy I will check them again before next remaster.

Toni

sunburnt · #2318 Post by **sunburnt** » Sun 13 Apr 2014, 21:57

Xorg.conf help... I waited until the beta to try fixing my PC`s resolution.
I added the file: /etc/X11/xorg.conf ( as below ).
Code below works except DebDog starts with no icons except "home".
Each desktop errors with:
Error saving pinboard /root/.config/.../ROX-Filer/pinbd: Input/output error
# You would think that the live-rw file is not in use, but it is:

Code: Select all

/dev/loop1 on /live/cow type ext2

# So I`m a little puzzled. Except for the desktop, everything else is normal.
I used this section from Puppy`s xorg.conf

Code: Select all

Section "Screen"
	Idenifier "Screen0"
#	Device     "Card0"
	Monitor    "Monitor0"
	DefaultDepth 24
#	Option         "metamodes" "1280x800_60 +0+0" #METAMODES_0
	Subsection "Display"
		Depth       24
		Modes      "1280x102" #screen0modes
	EndSubsection
EndSection

francois.E · #2319 Post by **francois.E** » Sun 13 Apr 2014, 22:02

I am working with on porteus-wheezy.iso I would like to save the current session with its applications. Is there some way to install the following binary?
/usr/bin/xfce4-session-settings

wyzguy · #2320 Post by **wyzguy** » Mon 14 Apr 2014, 00:02

Sunburnt,

Check your modes line. "1280x102" Don't look right.

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