Light-Debian-Core-Live-CD-Wheezy + Porteus-Wheezy

[saintless]

Hi, Sunburnt,

We had fine Christmas, thank you Take care of you and have happy New Year!

I will start working on the new base in the next days.

lxrandr needs x11-xserver-utils package (15Mb) otherwise gives a message it can't find monitor. But it seems the only thing which is needed from x11-xserver-utils is xrandr file (which can't be downloaded separate in wheezy. Copying xrandr in the right place makes lxrandr work without issue.

Cheers, Toni

[nooby]

Toni this non-pae and pae isos which one
would work best on my HP/Compaq Desktop
with AMD X2 dual core and so on.

Or have I used the wrong grub4dos code?

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title Light-Debian-Core wheezy  persistent later
  root (hd0,0)
  kernel /live/vmlinuz1 boot=live config persistent quickreboot noprompt autologin toram
  initrd /live/initrd1.img 

I remember vaguely that you recommended some other code? But I am forgetful these days. So if you don't min dgivethem again?

I really want it to boot on my gear. Do not know why it does not.

Same error message for both boot options like
vmlinuz1 and vmlinuz1 and initrd1 or initrd2

/live has this in it 01-wheezy-last-full.squashfs

[saintless]

Hi, Nooby,
pae version is the right one for you I think but non-pae will work well also.
For this iso you get errors:
http://www.smokey01.com/saintless/Light ... de-pae.iso
Use this code:

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title Light-Debian-Core wheezy  persistent later
  root (hd0,0)
  kernel /live/vmlinuz boot=live config persistent quickreboot noprompt autologin toram
  initrd /live/initrd.img 

In your boot code you have vmlinuz1 instead vmlinuz and initrd1.img instead of initrd.img
I guess this is the boot problem you have.

Cheers, Toni

[nooby]

Yes I have this one
Light-Debian-Wheezy-live-boot-downgrade-pae.iso

should I have downloaded another one to use?
Changing the name of one of the wmlinuz and initrd
and changing the code gave same error message.

What could I have done wrong. It also says the
Volume is drty but I don't want to start up Ms winVista
to clean it up. Would take hours I guess
So what could I change so wheezy works?
I am without clue on what to do next.

[saintless]

Hi, Nooby,

/live has this in it 01-wheezy-last-full.squashfs

This is still the version with two kernels. Download this one:
http://www.smokey01.com/saintless/Light ... de-pae.iso
It has /live/01-w-live-rw-test2.squashfs
Use the last code I posted + vmlinuz and initrd.img from the folder with 01-w-live-rw-test2.squashfs

Cheers, Toni

[nooby]

Thanks Toni,
I did a test and it gave same error message.

No Supported filesystem images fount at /live

Is that not very odd? I mean to me it is a mystery.
The files sure are there so either it fail reading NTFS
or it fails because the defragmentation on my HD

but that is surprising because Squeeze has no such problem

The fact that I am the only one having these error messages problem
could be related to the Vista or my hardware or the NST thing

[saintless]

Thank you, Nooby

I think I see what is the problem. Nobody uses NTFS boot partition (including me) and Wheezy does not have ntfs-3g driver installed. Squeeze has ntfs-3g.
Wait for the next version. May be tomorrow.

Cheers, Toni

[nooby]

Toni you most likely nailed it.

Wheezy does not have ntfs-3g driver installed. Squeeze has ntfs-3g.

No need to hurry so don't rush it. I love that you use regular Debian
so the end result will be 100% compatible unless them dislike
that you make such a small distro that can use root easily
and ....

[saintless]

Hi, guys,

It might look strange at first but the news are very good
Working with latest not-downgraded icewm-wheezy with start base 67,6 Mb sfs file and adding all gtkdialog dependencies + frisbee + rox-filer + xarchiver + isomaster + mtpaint + ntfs-3g + lxrandr + galculator will produse at the end 69 Mb with same functionality (without removing programs). I still have more work to do I guess tomorrow I will be ready with the new and final base for Debian Puppy Clone

BTW Xfe Package Manager turns to be very handy program. Right click on deb file and choose open and you will see what I mean. I was thinking to remove it but it stays.

Cheers, Toni

[nooby]

wow looking forward to see it it boots on my gear.

[fredx181]

@nooby

Maybe it's better to not use the "toram" boot parameter.
It could well be that it will try to copy your whole (probably big) vista partition to ram.

Regards

Fredx

[fredx181]

Hi, guys,

It might look strange at first but the news are very good
Working with latest not-downgraded icewm-wheezy with start base 67,6 Mb sfs file and adding all gtkdialog dependencies + frisbee + rox-filer + xarchiver + isomaster + mtpaint + ntfs-3g + lxrandr + galculator will produse at the end 69 Mb with same functionality (without removing programs). I still have more work to do I guess tomorrow I will be ready with the new and final base for Debian Puppy Clone

BTW Xfe Package Manager turns to be very handy program. Right click on deb file and choose open and you will see what I mean. I was thinking to remove it but it stays.

Cheers, Toni

Hi Toni
This sure looks very promising!
Good to give a choice between downgraded-live-boot initrd.img and original.
My vote would be the old live-rw option as default, it works well for me although I didn't test very much (see below) because I'm trying out other options at the moment.

Another subject:
Thanks to sklimkin's suggestion earlier in this thread about possibly use the Porteus live setup instead of live-boot with your debian-light, I've experimented on that recently and got it working pretty well!
I've done simular before with alphaOS, it wasn't so difficult because the later versions are based on linux-live-scripts which is in many ways simular to porteus setup.
Couldn't get it working (yet) with the default debian whheezy kernel, so used the 3.9.11-porteus kernel (and initrd.xz and vmlinuz from porteus v2.1.
Except for some mount and unmount messages (at boot and shutdown) the most important cheatcodes work e.g. from= , changes= , copy2ram, changes=EXIT: (equivalent of "pupmode=13" in puppy); the latter was the hardest part to get it working properly.
These porteus boot options are really nice and flexible:
http://www.porteus.org/tutorials/26-gen ... -them.html

Now..., as a newbie forum poster, I'm in doubt if it's appropriate to share my results here because it's not pure debian anymore and don't want to hack your thread with someting different as your intentions are.
On the other hand I don't feel like opening a new thread bacause my effords are mostly inspired by your debian-light initiative.

Regards
Fredx

[nooby]

I know very little but my gut feelings
react strongly to Porteus as source

they are based on Slax or Slack
instead of Debian so one have to
consider how them are different.

But I do agree that one can learn
how they set up and manage how to
get something working.

[saintless]

Hi, Fredx,

Please, share your result here. I guess you use the same Icewm-Wheezy. It is not a problem to create Porteus-Wheezy version here while sharing so many ideas in this thread. We can upload your version on the same site as Light-Debian when it is ready and then you can decide to open another thread if you wish.
Feel free to work on this here. Will be pleasure to help you.

Cheers, Toni

[fredx181]

Hi nooby

There's a misunderstanding:
Yes you are right, Porteus itself is slackware based.
But my version has nothing to do with slackware.
It just uses the "porteus way" of setting up the portable system, for the rest it's the exact wheezy-light from Toni with some more debian stuff added.
Hope this is clear.

Hi Toni
Thanks for your kind invitation.
Need to do some more work and will upload probably tomorrow.
Fredx

[nooby]

fredx181 you are right my text failed
to make that clear. I vaguely did understand
that you did refer to using their way without
including slax soft ware.

Very good that you corrected my confusing text.

I actually like Porteus and have installed it
several times and I have been active on their
forum. so it is maybe my second faced OS
Puppy the first to use.
Third I actually don't know.

[fredx181]

Hi nooby
No problem, no need to excuse.
Good luck with your health, I'm new here so didn't know.

About official porteus;
It's a great project but for some reason I'm not a big fan of slackware.
This could be because I'm used to debian.
Also in the package management of porteus I can't find my way.
Once tried to install Midori webbrowser, took me about an hour to make it work and create module out of it.
Debian is also included in porteus-package-manager but it doesn't look for dependencies, well.. useless then in my opinion.
But the flexibility of boot options (cheatcodes) WOW!

Fredx

[sunburnt]

I started out with Debian also, so it and Ubu. are my familiar ground.
I tried Porteus too, and had trouble understanding much of how it worked.
Most people are normal users, but I like to tinker so I need to know...

Toni; I failed to mention that your new Wheezy boots to cli and I type startx.
I didn`t notice any instructions about this, but I`m sure you`re aware of it.
Also I see your post for using apps, we should start a list for what we want.
There`s very good stuff in the Deb. apps. So we should start looking there.

I see: /live/cow ( tmpfs ), and I see: /live/image ( sda1 ).
How is /live/cow better than live-rw for making new Squash files.?
.

[saintless]

Hi, guys,
I have some issues after installing ntfs-3g. Original initrd.img with ntfs-3g works fine but downgraded initrd.img boots to desktop and the system freezes. I need some time to find the problem. We need to make it work with downgraded initrd.img as default.

Toni; I failed to mention that your new Wheezy boots to cli and I type startx.

Yes, it will be fixed in the next version.

How is /live/cow better than live-rw for making new Squash files.?
.

If you boot without live-rw (save file) all new system changes and installed packages are saved in Copy on Write mode in /live/cow (which is placed inside RAM).
All you need to do is to create sfs with new installed packages:

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mksquashfs /live/cow /live/image/live/02-new.squashfs

You can do this without having save file. This means you can remaster on the fly without having liv-rw save file at all. With original initrd.img this is impossible because Copy on Write is not supported.

Cheers, Toni

[saintless]

Ntfs-3g downgraded initrd.img desktop freeze problem fixed. All seems to work stable with downgraded initrd. Need some more testing before creating new iso.

We can start making list of applications to include, but it is not a problem to remove program from the base sfs also.
In my opinion lets concentrate of the puppy look and manage desktop and system settings. Adding more apps is easy.

Cheers, Toni