(old)Puppy Linux Discussion Forum

Otropogo,

Wine is a replacement for Windows support files and libraries and environment as far as Windows programs are concerned. Therefore you don't need a ,pet (or .pup) to install or run a Windows program. It is unusual for there to be a Puppy .pet or .pup for a Windows program like the one you used. So unusual, I didn't actually believe you used one to begin with. I therefore learned something from this oddball example.

Anyway, you can just install Windows programs directly -- usually by running the setup.exe program included with most Windows program CDs. The setup.exe program is also a Windows program, not a Linux program. It therefore runs under Wine. Wine has it's own virtual Windows C: drive located in the hidden directory /root/.wine. If you navigate there you will find the virtual C: drive. This is where Windows programs are installed. If you find your newly installed Windows program there, you can just usually click on it to run it. Or you can use terminal commands to run it. Or you can create an icon and drag it out to your desktop.

Now, if you want someone to help you to install and run the latest version of Irfanview it would be a really great idea to open up a thread devoted to that problem, request help, and stop extending this thread for that purpose. If it bothers you that this thread is (now) 18 pages long, think about why that might be -- it should mainly be devoted to announcements of new available Wine versions, not how to install UserJoe's favorite latest graphics program when he doesn't even understand what Wine is.

I will not help you further in this thread. But if you open another one, I'll try my best to get you going, as will, probably, others.

Earlier I mentioned the need for mfc42.dll. I'm not familiar with wine tricks, but for any ordinary wine version, this tip might help.

http://www.boekhoff.info/?pid=linux&tip ... w-on-linux

I just installed IV in a couple of minutes to check. I didn't need that tip. Just borrowed mfc42.dll from my wife's XP (I'm puppy Nop only) and added it as a library in winecfg. Downloaded I_view.exe and installed with right click run with wine.

vtpup wrote:Otropogo,..

... stop extending this thread for that purpose. If it bothers you that this thread is (now) 18 pages long, think about why that might be -- it should mainly be devoted to announcements of new available Wine versions, not how to install UserJoe's favorite latest graphics program when he doesn't even understand what Wine is.

I will not help you further in this thread. But if you open another one, I'll try my best to get you going, as will, probably, others.

'further"? how do you figure you've helped?

My few posts "extended this thread" only because of several useless replies I got.. And it's certainly not clear from the title of the thread that it's here merely so you can make abusive comments about those not familiar with the configuration of Wine.

I know perfectly well what Wine is and does, I simply don't know how it's configured. I find it strange and rather ill-mannered for any program to scatter menu tabs all over the desktop without a by your leave. And I find it strange and certainly unintuitive that a program should have a help tab for other programs that don't even even reside on the system, but none for its own functioning.

You can keep your "help" to yourself. I've had enough of it.

Henry wrote:... this tip might help.

http://www.boekhoff.info/?pid=linux&tip ... w-on-linux

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Thanks for the tip, Henry. Have just tried it, but no cigar.

Pet installer reports that wine is installed, but there's no icon or menu entry. And when I right click on the Irfanview setup file, Wine isn't listed in the "Open with" menu.

Maybe tomorrow I'll try to insert it there and try the installation again.

I did get the mfc42.dll from Windows and put it in place.

1.1.33 ?

sotris99 wrote:1.1.33 ?

No, 1.1.29...

OK, have found and installed the pet for wine 1.1.33, then used its control panel to install Irfanview 4.25. Apparently everything went smoothly. I chose to have a start menu entry and a desktop icon, and to make IV the default viewer.

Trouble is - none of that happened.

I have no idea how to run Irfanview now that it's installed. The ony evidence of which is that it's listed as such in the Wine control panel (which reports a "serious problem" with rundll32.exe when I close its window)

EDIT: Whoops- wrong thread.

It would be nice if DirectX would work well under Puppy-Wine. Has anyone gotten a DirectX program to work? As much as I hate DirectX, OpenGL doesn't seem to be working either. All I want is the bear minimum software to run a game with 3D graphics in an emulated Windows environment.

Ok wine uses open gl and emulates direct x with it so getting opengl working usually gets this working too.

http://distro.ibiblio.org/pub/linux/dis ... ri-7.3.pet
right click, save link as...seems to have mime problems!

This contains all 3d drivers for cards covered by puppy so its a bit large...in theory you could strip it down to only those you need but with it installed and a reboot 3d should be working...glxgears is a good test in a terminal...hundreds of fps or more shows it ok.

As for what games work and how to handle stubborn ones visit
http://appdb.winehq.org/

and the games section
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/index. ... order=DESC here is handy as others are more into running large windows games than me (I do have some opengl ones that were free and run almost as well as on windows but that's as far as I go.)

Usually you run the windows installer....some games like to be run from the directory its in otherwise they don't find their files.

mike

Alright, thanks. As long as it's <97 MB, I'm OK. Also, I am pretty familiar with appdb as I am officially the main maintainer of DarkBASIC Classic there, which happens to be my program of choice for testing 3D. If this package solves these problems like you say it does, I'll list you as a very big help in getting DBC to work on Wine.

like you say it does, I'll list you as ... k on Wine.

not my package...never used it...I use a puppy from a while back and hand fiddled ........so what will you say if it doesn't?

mike

mikeb wrote:like you say it does, I'll list you as ... k on Wine.

not my package...never used it...I use a puppy from a while back and hand fiddled ........so what will you say if it doesn't?

mike

Well, it kind of half works. At least it's not saying I don't have DirectX. And I can run dxtex. But fullscreen just changes the screen resolution and silently kills the app. Then I have to restart. I've tried going into the config and making Wine force a virtual desktop, but no. Still the same. What's really strange is that windowed apps that used to function just fine in a virtual desktop pop up in their own windows anyways too. Plus, That was over 50 MB to install! I'm not going to go hating on you and get you banned from appdb or make an angry vlog about it or anything, because I know it's not your fault. You did what you could. Microshit is to blame, and all their nvidia buttbuddies and TGC minions. Is there an operating system in the world what actually works the way it's supposed to? Probably not.

nvidia buttbuddies

well theres plenty on here about them....maybe a better driver needed...I've only had ati and they are no easier to sort...video is a pain in thee ass....ideally fullscreen should be working as intended.

It can be sensitive to 24/16 bpp...24 seems more compatible.

I take it 3d is sort of working and now its a case of making wine happy.

Is there an operating system in the world what actually works the way it's supposed to?

erm not that I know of

mike

I'm on 24 bpp, which I suppose is 32, and fullscreen apps change that anyways, and I have an Intel x3100 GMA. I think it is a matter of making Wine happy. Maybe I should install DirectX or something.

Maybe I should install DirectX or something

Hmm never tried that and not sure how it relates to wine as wine has to translate to opengl anyway...I not an expert on this one.

I did get some free opengl games via google which showed at least that 3d could work.

I thiught wine was supposed to make us happy...ah well

mike

direct X is included in wine, and allows to play even problematic games like Bioshock.
There however can occur driver issues.
DirectX in wine works best with modern Nvidia cards.
Ati cards meanwhile also work with Bioshock using the latest Catalyst drivers.
In summer 2009, it was unplayable using Ati cards.

Intel 3D support is somewhat problematic according to reports in the Forum, so I'd suspect, there might be driver problems using wine.


Mark

MU wrote:direct X is included in wine, and allows to play even problematic games like Bioshock.
There however can occur driver issues.
DirectX in wine works best with modern Nvidia cards.
Ati cards meanwhile also work with Bioshock using the latest Catalyst drivers.
In summer 2009, it was unplayable using Ati cards.

Intel 3D support is somewhat problematic according to reports in the Forum, so I'd suspect, there might be driver problems using wine.


Mark

GTFO TROLL! NVIDIA IS BULLSHIT! You suck Micrococks!

Keanen wrote:

MU wrote:direct X is included in wine, and allows to play even problematic games like Bioshock.
There however can occur driver issues.
DirectX in wine works best with modern Nvidia cards.
Ati cards meanwhile also work with Bioshock using the latest Catalyst drivers.
In summer 2009, it was unplayable using Ati cards.

Intel 3D support is somewhat problematic according to reports in the Forum, so I'd suspect, there might be driver problems using wine.


Mark

GTFO TROLL! NVIDIA IS BULLSHIT! You suck Micrococks!

it does not matter what you think of Nvidia, if you like the closed source drivers or not.
Fact is, that most wine developers use Nvidia cards. So the wine code uses implementations of nvidia specific code.
With Ati, this has become better in the last year, as Ati has changed the politics. They now actively support the free drivers with specifications, and this allows the wine developers, to implement patches, so that also Ati cards work better.

Intel actively supports free drivers since quite a while, but their source focusses on a new architechture (dri2), that was experimental part of the kernel until this year.

My info was just a summary of information that I had read in the appdb, when I tried to play Bioshock and Riddick in Wine using a Ati card, and compiled a patched version of wine.

Mark

Is software rendering not efficient enough? Before I punched it, my laptop used to run games like Crysis just fine, so I'm pretty sure my Intel GMA can handle it. Now, with Puppy, things may not be as efficient down the rendering pipeline, but I bet I could still run the same games if Wine would be more cooperative.

Keanen wrote:

MU wrote:direct X is included in wine, and allows to play even problematic games like Bioshock.
There however can occur driver issues.
DirectX in wine works best with modern Nvidia cards.
Ati cards meanwhile also work with Bioshock using the latest Catalyst drivers.
In summer 2009, it was unplayable using Ati cards.

Intel 3D support is somewhat problematic according to reports in the Forum, so I'd suspect, there might be driver problems using wine.


Mark

GTFO TROLL! NVIDIA IS BULLSHIT! You suck Micrococks!

@Keanen

Hey man , you need to quit doing that right away ...

I really fail to see what Mark said as offensive to you , why do you have to comment like that...

Keanen wrote:GTFO TROLL!...

I must here second what jason.b.c writes. "Troll"??? MU is perhaps second only to Barry himself as an advocate and developer of Puppy. Check out MU's New Years Pup and his earlier Muppy series. Astounding achievements both. You will have earned the right to criticize Mark only, just maybe, when you can craft-up something even remotely close. As for the blunt language, save it for me, after I release my forthcoming Pup...

I am somehow reminded of Scotty in the original Star Trek episode "The Trouble with Tribbles" when Scotty, wincing, says to Captain Kirk, "After all, we'rrre big enough to take a few insults..."