Posted: Wed 15 Apr 2009, 09:42
funny, it's always white people saying that . . .37fleetwood wrote:I declare Racism is a dead horse. lets see how much longer they flog it.
funny, it's always white people saying that . . .37fleetwood wrote:I declare Racism is a dead horse. lets see how much longer they flog it.
exactly my point. most instances of racism would go away if people would let it. take for example the Chinese. they were held as property in this country and strictly segregated. is that the case today? why not? they let it go and moved on. you find me one person in this country who has been held as a slave by me, and I'll see your point. you act as though I don't get to have an opinion just because I'm white. white or black doesn't have anything to do with it. if a person wants to think racism is everywhere and qualifies it by saying it's so because I'm black and you're wrong because you're not, isn't that racism in and of itself? you seem to equate white with racism, they're not the same thing at all. I point out that we need to be color blind in our society, and you seem to want to try to paint me as a racist. the Emancipation Proclamation was signed almost 147 years ago! let it go! the only way it is ever going to go away is to let it drop! why must I be punished for being white? for being male? for being Christian? I've never tried to opress anyone, I believe in womens rights, racism? I don't even believe in the term! remember, I believe 8 people walked out of an ark around 6000 years ago! we're all related! racism is something invented by Darwin and evolutionists!bugman wrote:funny, it's always white people saying that . . .37fleetwood wrote:I declare Racism is a dead horse. lets see how much longer they flog it.
i did not call you a racist, but i will call you naive for thinking racism has gone away in america37fleetwood wrote:you seem to equate white with racism, they're not the same thing at all. I point out that we need to be color blind in our society, and you seem to want to try to paint me as a racist. the Emancipation Proclamation was signed almost 147 years ago! let it go! the only way it is ever going to go away is to let it drop!
well, yeah, that's the point, no black americans really can know their culture, and how could they [apart from alex haley, i suppose]puppyluvr wrote:My best friend is Black...He`s not "African American"...Just an "American" He`s Black...He doesnt speak Swahili, couldnt find Africa on a map . . . "African American" is a stupid generic term.. "African" is not a culture, its a continent.
Please...by those we were BUYING from villages in the west ..by those we were stealing from villages in the west
buying stolen 'property' is the same as stealing it, right? and does a man not own himself, so how can one buy him against his will?puppyluvr wrote: Hello,
Please...by those we were BUYING from villages in the west ..by those we were stealing from villages in the west
die, you speciesist pig!Aitch wrote:I'm "in the human" race.....
die, you speciesist pig!
Ah, now I understand your point, and I agree with it. There are no guarantees. However I will not discard a tool because it does not deliver 100%!they definitely DON'T guarantee any sort of safety or security, as many will testify
Well, being somewhere between "libertarian" and "anarcho-capitalist", I don't force anything on anybody. People can do what they want with their lives. People of my persuasion are however (unlike complete pacifists) able to retaliate when they are harmed. Persuasion is not force, as the "persuadee" can always ignore it. BTW normally I wouldn't even bother to persuade anybody about this firearms subject, but whenever the ruling class and the "ministry of propaganda" (mainstream media) beats the drum for firearms prohibition, as they are doing right now, it gets me into an evangelical mood to counter what they are saying.Do you force it on people...... or persuade them it is for their own well-being, by example?
George Washington? Lord Nelson?Name one example of a person renowned in history for his/her deeds for humanity, who used a gun to do it
It's a tool, usable for good or ill.Now, compare with one who did it without.........
Huh? Lincoln was killed in 1865. Trust me, the "wild west" went on quite a bit after that. Anyway, much of our view of the period depends on Hollywood creativity, and we all know those folks are pretty creative. There have been studies of the period (see this page and search for the word "Aurora"), and it turns out people were safer then than they are now in today's big cities, despite everyone then being armed (which corresponds with what we see today - armed Wyomingites are safer than disarmed New Yorkers). Make that, because, not despite, everyone then being armed.Things changed drastically after Lincoln was killed.
Well, I come from a dairy farmer background (grandpa and grandma) and all those folks killed deer. But your other assertion may be correct - that farmers and ranchers don't have much time for it (although generally, hunting season is outside their busy time). And, if their freezer is already full of beef, from some cull cow they butchered, maybe there is little need to go out after deer.when i mentioned that, according to you, wyoming ranchers are apparently shooting at everything that moves, i got a sort of disgusted grin and a 'well, that figures, wyoming'
Actually, there is already plenty of diversity in this country. It's easy to go somewhere that better suits a person without having to get out of the country. I'm a great believer in "voting with one's feet". People should live where they fit in, not try to fight the predominant local culture (except when that culture - meaning people claiming to represent it - are actively harming them). I don't think the US should be homogenized.truly if you don't want to be here why stay?
Lots of people say that, of all colors (e.g. Thomas Sowell, Will Grigg, Walter Williams). Racism would fade away if government weren't so busy propping it up. Ye olde "divide and conquer" tactic, just like religious strife...funny, it's always white people saying thatI declare Racism is a dead horse. lets see how much longer they flog it.
neat how you stepped right past the fact that it was Africans selling Africans. eventually it wasn't about rival tribes and you can't really claim they were ignorant of what was going on without making these entrepreneurial businessmen out to be stupid savages.bugman wrote:buying stolen 'property' is the same as stealing it, right? and does a man not own himself, so how can one buy him against his will?puppyluvr wrote: Hello,
Please...by those we were BUYING from villages in the west ..by those we were stealing from villages in the west
additionally--read up on the african concept of slavery, how slaves were treated there [and in western asia, which was also a destination for african slaves], compare it to what slavery meant in the caribbean and the u$, then tell me what you think
If this bill passes and I (being in the age of 18-25) am called to "participate" through this bill, I would be prohibited to go to church or possibly reading my own Bible while "participating."Section 1304 -
Prohibits AmeriCorps participants from engaging in specified political, business, union, and religious activities or displacing employed workers or other volunteers.
Prohibits labor, for-profit, abortion advocacy, and certain political organizations from receiving AmeriCorps funding. Bars the participation of organizations that have been indicted for voter fraud.
Have what changed? Have the last 50 years of change not been enough for our nation? When we had the major education reform of Darwinism, we lost our sense of who holds us accountable. If there is no God who made us and holds us accountable for wrong doing, then you can do anything you want and get away with it. Why are people doing things that are morally wrong and say they have the right to do it? One reason is because without God there is no Standard of what is right and wrong. Take abortion for example, I would be dead if I was aborted. I would have never been a part of this forum or anything else in my life cause my life would have never existed. Nor do any of the abortion clinics talk about the huge effect it has on the would-have-been mothers physically and mentally. Or like, though it's a subject I don't like talking about, people being gay. Now there's a euphemistic word. It originally meant being jolly or merry. It is stupid and just totally wrong. I can easily prove this by asking one question. Do animals do it? After all Evolution just call us monkeys with a higher I.Q. And it does no profit in the biological sense. Why are murders and crime up? Because the only people to hold them accountable is people like themselves. Evolution call us animals, don't lions, bears, birds, cats, and ants kill and take? Nobody executes them for killing. I am not giving a justification for killing or stealing. I am showing that without accountability for sin then there is no real definition of sin. And then people start saying "Well, that maybe true for you, but I have my own truths. You have yours, and I have mine."
The true change that is needed in America is a full turnabout. And to go back to the original documents that our 150 founding fathers (ALL THE PEOPLE who framed, voted and signed our Declaration of Independence, Bill of Rights, and our Constitution. As well as other founding documents.) left for us in plan English to understand so that everyone may know what their dreams for America were.
Declaration of Independence.
Bill of Rights.
Constitution for the United States of America.
Washington's Inaugural Address.
Jefferson's "Wall of Separation" Letter (and it's true meaning.)
What about the Mayflower? The reason why they Left England to come to America?
The Mayflower Compact.
While it may be true that we haven't seen it like this since The Great Depression. It is NOWHERE NEAR as bad.
Please don't take any of this personally. I want to say what I feel is important to share.
The key part is this:‘SEC. 132A. PROHIBITED ACTIVITIES AND INELIGIBLE ORGANIZATIONS.
‘(a) Prohibited Activities- An approved national service position under this subtitle may not be used for the following activities:
‘(1) Attempting to influence legislation.
‘(2) Organizing or engaging in protests, petitions, boycotts, or strikes.
‘(3) Assisting, promoting, or deterring union organizing.
‘(4) Impairing existing contracts for services or collective bargaining agreements.
‘(5) Engaging in partisan political activities, or other activities designed to influence the outcome of an election to Federal office or the outcome of an election to a State or local public office.
‘(6) Participating in, or endorsing, events or activities that are likely to include advocacy for or against political parties, political platforms, political candidates, proposed legislation, or elected officials.
‘(7) Engaging in religious instruction, conducting worship services, providing instruction as part of a program that includes mandatory religious instruction or worship, constructing or operating facilities devoted to religious instruction or worship, maintaining facilities primarily or inherently devoted to religious instruction or worship, or engaging in any form of proselytization, consistent with section 132.
‘(8) Consistent with section 132, providing a direct benefit to any--
‘(A) business organized for profit;
‘(B) labor union;
‘(C) partisan political organization;
‘(D) nonprofit organization that fails to comply with the restrictions contained in section 501(c) of the Internal Revenue Code of 1986, except that nothing in this paragraph shall be construed to prevent participants from engaging in advocacy activities undertaken at their own initiative; and
‘(E) organization engaged in the religious activities described in paragraph (7), unless the position is not used to support those religious activities.
‘(9) Providing abortion services or referrals for receipt of such services.
‘(10) Conducting a voter registration drive or using Corporation funds to conduct a voter registration drive.
‘(11) Carrying out such other activities as the Corporation may prohibit.
‘(b) Ineligibility- No assistance provided under this subtitle may be provided to any organization that has violated a Federal criminal statute.
‘(c) Nondisplacement of Employed Workers or Other Volunteers- A participant in an approved national service position under this subtitle may not be directed to perform any services or duties, or to engage in any activities, prohibited under the nonduplication, nondisplacement, or nonsupplantation requirements relating to employees and volunteers in section 177.’.
So long as you aren't using the service position to do those things, you are fine. In other words, go to church on your own time, and don't wear the "uniform" of the service position. Ensure that it is clear you are acting as your own person in those regards, not as a representative of the organization.‘(a) Prohibited Activities- An approved national service position under this subtitle may not be used for the following activities:
clearly you're a gay bashing homophobe with racist and misogynistic tendancies.Pizzasgood wrote: (Am I also sexist for liking women?)