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Robert123 wrote:Hi Retro,


Have you tried Palemoon which is like old school Firefox?

There is a Watchdog .pet for Lupu.

I am using FF-30 (ooops 31 not 30) and having it lie about what it is.
So long as it lies and says it is FF-60 I have no troubles.

Moose On The Loose wrote:

Robert123 wrote:Hi Retro,

Have you tried Palemoon which is like old school Firefox?

There is a Watchdog .pet for Lupu.

I am using FF-30 and having it lie about what it is.
So long as it lies and says it is FF-60 I have no troubles.

I had forgotten this trick. I should be able to use the stable ESR version, and lie about actual version number...

Time to copy my savefile, and do some experiments.

Robert123 wrote:Hi Retro,

Have you tried Palemoon which is like old school Firefox?

There is a Watchdog .pet for Lupu.

Rockin' Robert! Just installed Palemoon, and found that it accepts all of my old favorite tools... Very snappy.

And was able to import all of my passwords, and bookmarks without issue.

With Firefox (since about v38 or 39) it's been really unstable -- I think that they have damaged one of their libraries, or misused some subroutine. I find that you can "feel" when it's about to barf -- it hangs slightly, and if you do anything (such as move your mouse), it's too much for the browser and crashes. This error that they introduced appears to have also infected Thunderbird, which has been becoming progressively more unstable.

And true to their form, Thunderbird is also unable to report the error to Mozilla, so it will never be repaired...

That'll be my next mission, to find a replacement client for Thunderbird (I prefer having email in mbox format, rather than locked up as Outlook and similar do).

Glad its working for you Retro. I moved to Palemoon about 6 months ago on all my machines Puppy, LinuxBBQ and Debian and have to say no probs so far.

As for firefox yeah - gave up around 38,8esr - freezes, crashes - trying to push pulse now - jeepers what a mess.

Loved the 17esr series of FF after that nah.

Testing latest Palemoon now, looks promising!

tallboy

Overall Palemoon seems to do well. Much lighter "touch" on my system (another artifact of Firefox was that it would eat every single bit of free RAM while running).

Some of my plugins in Palemoon don't work "as well" as they did under Firefox (I presume it's due to being older versions, etc) -- primarily things like automagically detecting filenames for some download tools... But I can live with that.

I do see Palemoon go into hesitation and almost looks like an impending lockup, but it recovers. I have not had it crash yet.

When Firefox would do that, it would then crash (and sometimes crash and crash and crash and crash and crash and crash and crash and crash and crash...). The fact that it would sometimes recover if you left it dead for a while, then come back and try again points to some ad pushing corrupted Java which FF couldn't or wouldn't handle.

BTW, I should put the link to what seems to be the most recent version of Palemoon here (I installed "palemoon-27.2.1-p4-glibc219tweak.pet:"):

http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewto ... 200#948200

I've edited the title to show this "solution"...

RetroTechGuy wrote:

Moose On The Loose wrote:

Robert123 wrote:Hi Retro,

Have you tried Palemoon which is like old school Firefox?

There is a Watchdog .pet for Lupu.

I am using FF-30 and having it lie about what it is.
So long as it lies and says it is FF-60 I have no troubles.

I had forgotten this trick. I should be able to use the stable ESR version, and lie about actual version number...

Time to copy my savefile, and do some experiments.

Note the correction to FF31 I made above

It is big but you should only need this one file

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B63vE6 ... sp=sharing

I have used Pale Moon 27.2.1 (32-bit) for a week now, with my live LupuPlus 5.2.8.005-1. I like it very much! I have not noticed any trouble at all. My FF 45.0.2 crashed frequently, especially when: 1) I had many tabs open at the same time, or 2) after a search operation when numerous tabs/windows were opened/closed to browse the hits. It seemed like the FF couldn't take heavy use? I may add that I frequently closed and restarted my FF, depending on the tasks, and that cookies, history, cache and other stored items were set to be cleared on closing. That did not change the situation, FF could crash after 5 min. as well as after 5 hours in use! In the worst cases, FF crashed X as well, prompting a restart of the PC.
Many of the mods made in the prefs.js in FF, were carried over to about:config in Palemoon, and they work as intended. The only extension from FF is Easy Copy 2.7.0.

A couple of useful links:
http://www.ghacks.net/2015/08/18/a-comp ... -settings/

http://www.ghacks.net/2015/11/11/list-o ... eferences/

I absolutely recommend Pale Moon.

tallboy

Hate tp say but FF Devs don't give a flying _______about quality so not surpised by all this I stopped using firefox ages ago and have used Palemoon since.

tallboy wrote:I have used Pale Moon 27.2.1 (32-bit) for a week now, with my live LupuPlus 5.2.8.005-1. I like it very much! I have not noticed any trouble at all. My FF 45.0.2 crashed frequently, especially when: 1) I had many tabs open at the same time, or 2) after a search operation when numerous tabs/windows were opened/closed to browse the hits. It seemed like the FF couldn't take heavy use? I may add that I frequently closed and restarted my FF, depending on the tasks, and that cookies, history, cache and other stored items were set to be cleared on closing. That did not change the situation, FF could crash after 5 min. as well as after 5 hours in use! In the worst cases, FF crashed X as well, prompting a restart of the PC.
Many of the mods made in the prefs.js in FF, were carried over to about:config in Palemoon, and they work as intended. The only extension from FF is Easy Copy 2.7.0.

A couple of useful links:
http://www.ghacks.net/2015/08/18/a-comp ... -settings/

http://www.ghacks.net/2015/11/11/list-o ... eferences/

I absolutely recommend Pale Moon.

tallboy

The only minor grumble I had was that it doesn't support the latest "DownLoadThemAll" plugin...

I use this on all sorts of things, including Youtube (in conjunction with the "Easy Youtube Video Downloader", v 9.12). But the old version of "DThemAll" doesn't correctly grab the name, and saves as "video" or some such...

Here's the solution, you click on the Youtube Downloader button, it offers your choices e.g. "MP4 360p (58.5 MB)", you right click and choose save with DownLoadThemAll (not the quick download). You scrape a copy of the name and put it in the description box, then select renaming mask as "*text*". A little more tedious than quick save, but at least you don't need to go back the folder and rename them one by one after the fact...

Robert123 wrote:Hate tp say but FF Devs don't give a flying _______about quality so not surpised by all this I stopped using firefox ages ago and have used Palemoon since.

They (Mozilla) tried to tell me that the Linux guys must have broken/uninstalled the reporting part, since it couldn't possibly be anything else.

This was even after I carefully explained that it did report crashes, until Mozilla pushed an update around V.38, which was the downhill slide in stability...

I run the Debian Stable pushed (repository) Firefox ESR and it has and continues to work well for me. ESR 45.9.0. Security updates come through quickly also.