Newyearspup 02 Micro, Mini, Midi, and Maxi RC10
Muchas gratias, Mark. I'm going to leave your productions alone now until you declare gold, because I really find it most unnerving and unnatural working with liveCDs and compressed files - I gave all that up twenty years ago - nothing but trouble. I go for the simple life with FULL installations and files that mean something, always in the same place and infinitely editable! Not as if I'm short of HD space these days - got boxloads of the things. Just an old-fashioned boy, I suppose.
I downladed the pet and the maxidistro again and it installsMU wrote:Thom,
I just downloaded remasterpup, and petget installed it fine.
quote="MU"]
Wine:
For me, it works to click on the files.
Can you run them from console?
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I can run them fine if I open quick mount, select the usb drive, then click on the program icon....which seems to be a lot of extra work. They do Not run from mppy filer
quote="MU"]
like:
cd /mnt/sdb1/programs
wine "test.exe"
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Yes...that works.....I can call up a windows menu system that lets me pick windows apps. So, how could I create an icon for the desktop that would run
cd /mnt/sdb1/pendrive
wine PStart.exe
Now.....a much bigger problem
The first time I selected reboot...the system very dutifully asked me if I wanted to do a save....I said yes and told it to write to cd. That worked fine....I could see the system read the save file and then the main file during the reboot. But now, when I reboot the system, it doesn't ask if I want to save the session....so all the changes and data are lost.
Once that is solved I can try the remaster and report back.
Also, after the reboot, the weather, slideshow and rxvt appear as greyed out boxes on the desktop.
Thom
Mark,
I have been exploring your great New Years Pup (Maxi) and have run across a few minor problems:
1. Using Muppy-filer, tried to add Open Office applications to the Cairo Dock, failed. Tried to add them manually, also failed since I couldn't locate the files, although I thought that Maxi included them. (STRANGE: The Office applications ran properly from the menu.) To get them working from Cairo Dock, I finally just added an Openoffice sfs, which allowed me to add them properly with the Muppy-filer.
2. The PCMan Manager icon on top bar would not execute. Using the application launch bar settings, it was corrected by removing and then adding it back. (Also a problem with other New Years pups)
3. Alsa sound wizard is not working. Leaving the desktop and running "alsaconf" loads the proper sound driver. (Also a problem with other New Years pups)
4. The default media player will not work with .wmv file. Tried installing gzine-0.5.90patched-MU-puppy4.1i486.pet which also did not work. Then installed ttuuxxx's vlc-0.8.6h-engV5.pet which worked fine. (Also a problem with other New Years pups)
5. Installed AMSN, Gslapt, & Bibletime which all work fine now. Bibletime would not run until I added the Missingkde3510libs sfs. I did not have to include the full KDE3510 sfs to get it to work with Maxi. (Mini required both KDE3510 sfs and the missing libs sfs for Bibletime to work.)
The desktop has had some unexplained losses of icons which either correct itself or can be corrected with your "Reload Desktop" feature. Some applications (ie. Goggle Earth) have caused complete lockup which can only be corrected by "Ctrl-Alt-Backspace" and restarting x. Overall this pup is pretty stable and I'll be surprised if it doesn't eventually exceed what you accomplished with Muppy.
Thanks again,
Jim
I have been exploring your great New Years Pup (Maxi) and have run across a few minor problems:
1. Using Muppy-filer, tried to add Open Office applications to the Cairo Dock, failed. Tried to add them manually, also failed since I couldn't locate the files, although I thought that Maxi included them. (STRANGE: The Office applications ran properly from the menu.) To get them working from Cairo Dock, I finally just added an Openoffice sfs, which allowed me to add them properly with the Muppy-filer.
2. The PCMan Manager icon on top bar would not execute. Using the application launch bar settings, it was corrected by removing and then adding it back. (Also a problem with other New Years pups)
3. Alsa sound wizard is not working. Leaving the desktop and running "alsaconf" loads the proper sound driver. (Also a problem with other New Years pups)
4. The default media player will not work with .wmv file. Tried installing gzine-0.5.90patched-MU-puppy4.1i486.pet which also did not work. Then installed ttuuxxx's vlc-0.8.6h-engV5.pet which worked fine. (Also a problem with other New Years pups)
5. Installed AMSN, Gslapt, & Bibletime which all work fine now. Bibletime would not run until I added the Missingkde3510libs sfs. I did not have to include the full KDE3510 sfs to get it to work with Maxi. (Mini required both KDE3510 sfs and the missing libs sfs for Bibletime to work.)
The desktop has had some unexplained losses of icons which either correct itself or can be corrected with your "Reload Desktop" feature. Some applications (ie. Goggle Earth) have caused complete lockup which can only be corrected by "Ctrl-Alt-Backspace" and restarting x. Overall this pup is pretty stable and I'll be surprised if it doesn't eventually exceed what you accomplished with Muppy.
Thanks again,
Jim
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cherriepuppy
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hi mark
been having a problem with a USB install of newyearspup, as this is based on 411 i just wondered if the bug was fixed for booting off usb drive, barry wrote about it on his blog, http://puppylinux.com/blog/?viewDetailed=00484.
cheers cherriepuppy
been having a problem with a USB install of newyearspup, as this is based on 411 i just wondered if the bug was fixed for booting off usb drive, barry wrote about it on his blog, http://puppylinux.com/blog/?viewDetailed=00484.
cheers cherriepuppy
Well....I got it installed....and it doesn't seem to work.MU wrote:Thom,
I just downloaded remasterpup, and petget installed it fine.
It runs - but when it attempts to write to the ntfs partition, it reports that it is not writeable. I tried several times....and the last time, before I ran the script, I wrote and deleted a file in the partition the script complained about...so I don;t think the partition is non-writeable.
I also discovered that while this version doesn't ask me if I want to save session to the live-cd, it does when I create a bootable USB version.
Thom
The problem Lobster described (tuxracer), can be fixed like this (I hope):
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewto ... 303#269303
That also should fix other "weird" behaviour.
The grey deskicons can be fixed by installing this pet:
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewto ... h&id=14471
Concerning other issues mentioned here, I found no results yet.
I will upload the current version including these and other small fixes as "final" on sunday, as I start my Java course on monday, and then have less time to add upgrades.
I will just be able to update things on weekends then.
Mark
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewto ... 303#269303
That also should fix other "weird" behaviour.
The grey deskicons can be fixed by installing this pet:
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewto ... h&id=14471
Concerning other issues mentioned here, I found no results yet.
I will upload the current version including these and other small fixes as "final" on sunday, as I start my Java course on monday, and then have less time to add upgrades.
I will just be able to update things on weekends then.
Mark
[url=http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?p=173456#173456]my recommended links[/url]
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davesurrey
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Hi MU,
I downloaded Newyearpup (maxi version) a few hours ago and already it seems like an extremely impressive addition to Puppy. In fact I believe it’s the most impressive one I’ve seen so far. Congratulations and many thanks for all the hard work you and Wow have put into this.
I don’t know if it will help you but I had a few problems installing it.
1. I tried to do a Full install to a PC (AMD Athlon 1900, 1GB Ram, 2x PATA HDD.) Did puppy pix=ram and it was very very slow (several minutes) loading to ram. Have done many (>100) loads with puppy, debian, fedora etc and never had to wait this long.
2. Ran the Universal Installer and got an error message that sdb9 (where it was being installed) was already mounted. Unmounted it, but again it was a long install. Not helped by the fact that there were times when there was no confirmation anything was happening (the installer screen disappeared) except for the CPU and Ram indicators (CPU at 100%.)
3. When installed I rebooted (without saving any save file of course) and after detecting my swap partition (2GB) it gave “Waiting for modules to complete loading..usb..1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10
I downloaded Newyearpup (maxi version) a few hours ago and already it seems like an extremely impressive addition to Puppy. In fact I believe it’s the most impressive one I’ve seen so far. Congratulations and many thanks for all the hard work you and Wow have put into this.
I don’t know if it will help you but I had a few problems installing it.
1. I tried to do a Full install to a PC (AMD Athlon 1900, 1GB Ram, 2x PATA HDD.) Did puppy pix=ram and it was very very slow (several minutes) loading to ram. Have done many (>100) loads with puppy, debian, fedora etc and never had to wait this long.
2. Ran the Universal Installer and got an error message that sdb9 (where it was being installed) was already mounted. Unmounted it, but again it was a long install. Not helped by the fact that there were times when there was no confirmation anything was happening (the installer screen disappeared) except for the CPU and Ram indicators (CPU at 100%.)
3. When installed I rebooted (without saving any save file of course) and after detecting my swap partition (2GB) it gave “Waiting for modules to complete loading..usb..1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10
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davesurrey
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MU,
Decided to split my posts.
Some additional observations, which may or may not be relevant.
Same PC and install, with NYPup-02-maxi.
1. the large RAM and CPU indicators go Red if low usage and Green for high usage. This seems the wrong way around. I think it’s more intuitive Red for danger, Green for okay.
2. Like Sage the network wizard detected my Lan as eth1 (not eth0); all other distros on this m/c see it as eth0.
3. I also agree with Sage that nvidia 96xx driver are important. No use with just nv. But I see you will be adding those. Thanks
4. My install put the large Application Penguin (left hand corner) over the bottom desktop icon. It put the Black clock over the Blue clock and when I try to adjust the size of the Black clock it disappears. And if I delete the Blue clock it reappears after a reboot.
5. The Cairo-Dock icon doesn’t seem to do anything.
6. Sorry but I agree with Sage (again). I hate that mouse cursor.
7. It would be nice if the final version had a little explanation as to what the various modes are best for in the “Select graficsdriver
Decided to split my posts.
Some additional observations, which may or may not be relevant.
Same PC and install, with NYPup-02-maxi.
1. the large RAM and CPU indicators go Red if low usage and Green for high usage. This seems the wrong way around. I think it’s more intuitive Red for danger, Green for okay.
2. Like Sage the network wizard detected my Lan as eth1 (not eth0); all other distros on this m/c see it as eth0.
3. I also agree with Sage that nvidia 96xx driver are important. No use with just nv. But I see you will be adding those. Thanks
4. My install put the large Application Penguin (left hand corner) over the bottom desktop icon. It put the Black clock over the Blue clock and when I try to adjust the size of the Black clock it disappears. And if I delete the Blue clock it reappears after a reboot.
5. The Cairo-Dock icon doesn’t seem to do anything.
6. Sorry but I agree with Sage (again). I hate that mouse cursor.
7. It would be nice if the final version had a little explanation as to what the various modes are best for in the “Select graficsdriver
You can deactivate the blue clock too in the desktop options.4. My install put the large Application Penguin (left hand corner) over the bottom desktop icon. It put the Black clock over the Blue clock and when I try to adjust the size of the Black clock it disappears. And if I delete the Blue clock it reappears after a reboot.
To resize the dark clock, right click it - configure this applet.
There you can adjust the size with sliders.
Mark
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davesurrey
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Hi Mark,
Seems it's a long night for both of us!!!
Many many thanks for your help. Sorry I didn't find where some of these adjustments are but I've only been playing with this a few hours.
JFYI
I ran your deskicon.pet and made the changes to /usr/X11R7/bin/xwin and the central icons are now fixed and several other "strange" icon related probs have gone away.
There are still a few icons missing in the menus but that's not so important.
Also I still get the "/ already mounted " message but again it's not causing any probs.
All in all I'm just loving this. Fantastic work.
Now both my black and blue clocks are saying "Get to Bed". Maybe yours are too??
Thanks again
Dave
Seems it's a long night for both of us!!!
Many many thanks for your help. Sorry I didn't find where some of these adjustments are but I've only been playing with this a few hours.
JFYI
I ran your deskicon.pet and made the changes to /usr/X11R7/bin/xwin and the central icons are now fixed and several other "strange" icon related probs have gone away.
There are still a few icons missing in the menus but that's not so important.
Also I still get the "/ already mounted " message but again it's not causing any probs.
All in all I'm just loving this. Fantastic work.
Now both my black and blue clocks are saying "Get to Bed". Maybe yours are too??
Thanks again
Dave
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aarf
Code: Select all
# wget -c --user=puppy --password=linux http://www.puppyisos.org/isos/2009-01-to-06/Newyearspup02/Iso-Micro-release-candidate/NewyearspupMU-02-micro-rc1.iso-
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davesurrey
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@aarf
A little off-topic (but just a little) but I just saw that you have Ripple working with a Eee-701. (I have the same netbook.)
Could you let us know how Ripple and NYPup compare in real world terms (ie not just feature list) and especially if you have them running on the Eee.
Would be very interesting to hear your experience, although I know they are not like-for-like.
(don't want to derail this thread but don't want to miss the opportunity whilst I have your attention...)
Cheers
Dave
A little off-topic (but just a little) but I just saw that you have Ripple working with a Eee-701. (I have the same netbook.)
Could you let us know how Ripple and NYPup compare in real world terms (ie not just feature list) and especially if you have them running on the Eee.
Would be very interesting to hear your experience, although I know they are not like-for-like.
(don't want to derail this thread but don't want to miss the opportunity whilst I have your attention...)
Cheers
Dave
yes, the releasecandidate is available.
You can choose 4 cursors in the desktop-options, or if you need more:
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?p=267188
Please be aware:
it is an RC, although I know that there are issues to be solved.
But some like the remaster prolems will take several days to be solved.
As I don't have this time at moment, version 02 will be "as is", with open issues.
I hope I can fix those within the next 3 months for version 03.
I fixed several points though.
For me, the system is fine, as I don't run it as some other users, e.g. multisession-CD.
Please report again bugs you find (may just be a reference to older messages), so that I have a "compact" list of open issues.
This release includes the Nvidia 96 drivers in addition to the 177.
But as I have no matching card, I do not know, if they work.
See here at bottom, over the 71 drivers, which cards are supported by this.
http://us.download.nvidia.com/XFree86/L ... dix-a.html
The 71 drivers definately do not work with Xorg 7.4, so users of the prehistoric Geforce 2 GTS (great card) should use Puppy 4.12 or one of the deriving systems.
A downside for this is, that now the Nvidia-drivers will use 25 MB in your savefile.
In the beta, I was able, to have them in the read-only filesystem.
But now, we have 2 drivers using files with equal filenames. So they can no longer be in the read-only filesystem, instead, they are extracted by the modified xorgwizard.
If you shutdown the first time (to create the savefile), there is a 10 second delay (with infotext, that you must wait).
I encountered still a bug sometimes, that the dialogboxes did not work, they were interrupted by something.
I *think* this might be caused by backgroundprocesses that had no time to shut down. But I am not certain, this part is still "testing".
If you want to be on the safe side, reboot after you got the desktop, and do not start own programs, or play around with all the options.
Reboot, create the savefile, then examine everything
Depending on what quickly solvable bugs might be found, the Final version on sunday might have slight changes, or be identical with the RC.
I also uploaded a Java development sfs, with the Enterprise Software Development Kit, Eclipse and 2 german online-books (so you can read them offline). This is 360 MB, and NOT a "Java" for endusers, who need Java to show applets in Seamonkey.
I just added it, as I will learn programming Java in the next 2 Months.
Mark
You can choose 4 cursors in the desktop-options, or if you need more:
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?p=267188
Please be aware:
it is an RC, although I know that there are issues to be solved.
But some like the remaster prolems will take several days to be solved.
As I don't have this time at moment, version 02 will be "as is", with open issues.
I hope I can fix those within the next 3 months for version 03.
I fixed several points though.
For me, the system is fine, as I don't run it as some other users, e.g. multisession-CD.
Please report again bugs you find (may just be a reference to older messages), so that I have a "compact" list of open issues.
This release includes the Nvidia 96 drivers in addition to the 177.
But as I have no matching card, I do not know, if they work.
See here at bottom, over the 71 drivers, which cards are supported by this.
http://us.download.nvidia.com/XFree86/L ... dix-a.html
The 71 drivers definately do not work with Xorg 7.4, so users of the prehistoric Geforce 2 GTS (great card) should use Puppy 4.12 or one of the deriving systems.
A downside for this is, that now the Nvidia-drivers will use 25 MB in your savefile.
In the beta, I was able, to have them in the read-only filesystem.
But now, we have 2 drivers using files with equal filenames. So they can no longer be in the read-only filesystem, instead, they are extracted by the modified xorgwizard.
If you shutdown the first time (to create the savefile), there is a 10 second delay (with infotext, that you must wait).
I encountered still a bug sometimes, that the dialogboxes did not work, they were interrupted by something.
I *think* this might be caused by backgroundprocesses that had no time to shut down. But I am not certain, this part is still "testing".
If you want to be on the safe side, reboot after you got the desktop, and do not start own programs, or play around with all the options.
Reboot, create the savefile, then examine everything
Depending on what quickly solvable bugs might be found, the Final version on sunday might have slight changes, or be identical with the RC.
I also uploaded a Java development sfs, with the Enterprise Software Development Kit, Eclipse and 2 german online-books (so you can read them offline). This is 360 MB, and NOT a "Java" for endusers, who need Java to show applets in Seamonkey.
I just added it, as I will learn programming Java in the next 2 Months.
Mark
[url=http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?p=173456#173456]my recommended links[/url]
Looking Good!!
I'm running with the mini-rc1 right now. Thanks for the cursors! Everything is working very well so far. All your debugging is being rewarded in a very, very nice pup!! Something you did with the nvidia drivers allows me to run flash videos full screen for the first time in any pup. Nice job!!
Re: Looking Good!!
Mini or Midi?techtype wrote:I'm running with the mini-rc1 right now. Thanks for the cursors! Everything is working very well so far. All your debugging is being rewarded in a very, very nice pup!! Something you did with the nvidia drivers allows me to run flash videos full screen for the first time in any pup. Nice job!!
The Nvidia-drivers are in Midi, not in Mini.
So I think you use the free "nv" driver. Ok, too, just has no 3D support.
I think this will be one of the enhancements of xorg 7.4.
In Muppys cf-wizard (Xorg 7.2), I had to use such a command to run the tool, that generates xorg.conf for nvidia:
nvidia-xconfig --add-argb-glx-visuals --allow-glx-with-composite --disable-glx-root-clipping --render-accel --composite --depth=24
You also needed an extra section for composite.
And the new technologies like glx and composite were partially incompatible, so some people used more than one xorg.conf.
Compiz OR games. Video OR some 3D stuff. At least I had these issues with Ati in the past, and I think I had read of similar problems with nvidia.
All this is no longer required.
The xorgwizard-wrapper I use now, only needs:
nvidia-xconfig
The rest is detected/set up automatically
Mark
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aarf
ok lets be blunt with only a quick look at newyearspup and extensive use of ripple.davesurrey wrote:@aarf
A little off-topic (but just a little) but I just saw that you have Ripple working with a Eee-701. (I have the same netbook.)
Could you let us know how Ripple and NYPup compare in real world terms (ie not just feature list) and especially if you have them running on the Eee.
Would be very interesting to hear your experience, although I know they are not like-for-like.
(don't want to derail this thread but don't want to miss the opportunity whilst I have your attention...)
Cheers
Dave
For eeePC 701 laptops, ripple 06.3 is far ahead of the current NewyearspupMU-02-micro-rc1.
Out of the box, these are the points:
battery monitor
touchscreen click that works
compriz-fusion,emerald manager in ripple
cairo dock in ripple is much more impressive
weather just works in ripple
pwireless scanner in ripple is the easiest way to get a wifi connection
access to all 4.1.1 menu items.
was looking for wine to see if it will run PCsuite to download images from my phone but cant see that wine is in micro.
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Since Mark was kind enough to put up the RC s, I decided to look at the live 'micro' version - potentially the most interesting and valuable one - again.
Confirms, as per the entire suite, they are very, very slow to boot up, even with 640Mb main. I can now get a picture on my GeF2 card with plain 'startx', but...
there is massive swapping out to disc
there is much redrawing of the desktop and a restart needed, even selecting all defaults
message boxes litter the screen
in short, needs a lot of tidying - wish I could help!
The firewall and network functions should be in 'System' not 'Preferences', surely?
Using the OOo icons for Abiword and Calc(not functioning) in this 'micro' version.
eth1 persists instead of eth0
Thanks for Netsurf.
If the .iso inventory could be reduced, this could be a big winner. But it's pretty good already. Well worth a lot of further development.
Thanks again, Mark.
Noted that 'aarf' is spoiling the ship by failing to truncate his quote. Not all of us are viewing this on a 105" plasma monitor. Please can someone help him.
Confirms, as per the entire suite, they are very, very slow to boot up, even with 640Mb main. I can now get a picture on my GeF2 card with plain 'startx', but...
there is massive swapping out to disc
there is much redrawing of the desktop and a restart needed, even selecting all defaults
message boxes litter the screen
in short, needs a lot of tidying - wish I could help!
The firewall and network functions should be in 'System' not 'Preferences', surely?
Using the OOo icons for Abiword and Calc(not functioning) in this 'micro' version.
eth1 persists instead of eth0
Thanks for Netsurf.
If the .iso inventory could be reduced, this could be a big winner. But it's pretty good already. Well worth a lot of further development.
Thanks again, Mark.
Noted that 'aarf' is spoiling the ship by failing to truncate his quote. Not all of us are viewing this on a 105" plasma monitor. Please can someone help him.