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I built a new lucid puppy , installed wine 40, the missing files, set the dll to native windows ets , installed cabextract but the setup 960 won't run.

Then I nuked wine and loaded a newer wine with quickpet and everything worked, it even added it to the menu!

Well done Frank. good to see this is working for others too.

Jim, I'm sorry to ask what is probably a simple question, but I don't know what or how to 'link' one file to another. I'm trying another frugal install, and am keen to try your suggestion, but not sure what to do.

Could you lead me through it please?

Thanks.

Bones

bones01 wrote:Well done Frank. good to see this is working for others too.

Jim, I'm sorry to ask what is probably a simple question, but I don't know what or how to 'link' one file to another. I'm trying another frugal install, and am keen to try your suggestion, but not sure what to do.

Could you lead me through it please?

Thanks.

Bones

Hi Bones:

I know one way. When you try to set {Open With} and the program you want is not there you can click on customize at the bottom which brings up a warning page and you click on that and it brings up a list of the available programs . Then you open another Rox Filer and go to /usr/bin and drag the executable into the list , Another box pops up and you have to choose between, copy .move. ,relative link, etc and I always choose relative and so far it works!

Then you go to /usr/share/applications and open the one you want to change as text. For instance I use Textmaker as my word processor so when I open the default word processor as text I just change the word Abiword to Textmaker and then when I hit write on the desktop Textmaker opens and from then on if you I run into a file like odt for instance Puppy does not know how to open I can just hit set run action and drag the link I made into the box and it's done.

What I would like to know is what to type in the box to keep from opening multiple rox filers when you make links or or to copy files.

Hope this helped, I am always happy to share my ever increasing confusion about Linux :}











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Frank Cox wrote:
Hope this helped, I am always happy to share my ever increasing confusion about Linux :}

Thanks Frank. A little confusion is always good to share.

bones01 wrote:Well done Frank. good to see this is working for others too.

Jim, I'm sorry to ask what is probably a simple question, but I don't know what or how to 'link' one file to another. I'm trying another frugal install, and am keen to try your suggestion, but not sure what to do.

Could you lead me through it please?

Thanks.

Bones

Sorry, that it's taken me so long to answer, been on vacation, but I see that you solved it. Here's my technique.

The primary approach that I use after a successful installation is to move .wine to mnt/home and then copy a link to /root/. This keeps the wine programs out of the save file (less danger of corruption) and provides the flexibility to use it with different pups. I still place the other needed files in /usr/bin and /usr/share/applications and /usr/share/pixmaps, of course they could be moved to an e-Sword directory in mnt/home and linked back to the proper locations.

To accomplish this I use Rox. Open mnt/home with Rox, then open another instance of Rox in root, left click on the eye to show hidden files in both directories, select .wine, drag it to mnt/home, select move. The next step is to link .wine back to the root directory. To accomplish this, drag .wine back to root and select Link (relative).

I believe this will be easier than the approach you used.

Cheers,
Jim

Hi Jim:

Thanks again for all the help.

3 questions and 1 request.

q1 This is probably a dumb question but if I move Wine to mnt/home and link it back should the link be relative or absolute?

q2 Will Wine still load into ram at startup assuming there is sufficient resources?

q3 I have one install that I cannot seem to get to show up in the menu or get the desktop file to execute. I have checked and double checked and it is a direct copy and paste of the one you created and it works in all my other installs. any idea why?

Request 1 Please change the color of your highlighting, it displays in Columbia Blue on my screen and I cannot read it.


TIA

q2 Will Wine still load into ram at startup assuming there is sufficient resources?

Who says wine loads into ram at startup? How are you running Puppy and how is wine installed?
Some people think that when you run Puppy from CD or a frugal install, your save file is loaded into ram at startup, but I'm pretty sure it isn't, regardless of how much ram you have.

Frank Cox wrote:Hi Jim:

Thanks again for all the help.

3 questions and 1 request.

q1 This is probably a dumb question but if I move Wine to mnt/home and link it back should the link be relative or absolute?

q2 Will Wine still load into ram at startup assuming there is sufficient resources?

q3 I have one install that I cannot seem to get to show up in the menu or get the desktop file to execute. I have checked and double checked and it is a direct copy and paste of the one you created and it works in all my other installs. any idea why?

Request 1 Please change the color of your highlighting, it displays in Columbia Blue on my screen and I cannot read it.


TIA

1. Relative as stated above.
2. I believe that you need to remaster your installation and the new sfs created will load entirely into ram.
3. Open the desktop file as text and make sure that the exec and icon lines both reflect the correct paths in your installation. Also check to see if esword.sh is in usr/bin.

Hope this helps,
Jim

disciple wrote:

q2 Will Wine still load into ram at startup assuming there is sufficient resources?

Who says wine loads into ram at startup? How are you running Puppy and how is wine installed?
Some people think that when you run Puppy from CD or a frugal install, your save file is loaded into ram at startup, but I'm pretty sure it isn't, regardless of how much ram you have.

I was under the impression everything loaded into ram, that that was why puppy was so fast.

Forgive my ignorance but if I move Wine to mnt/home will the remaster program copy it as well?

Also what would be a case one would use an absolute link?

Thanks?

If the link and its target are likely to both be moved (or copied) together then you would use a relative link, because e.g. if it was absolute and you moved the directory structure they are both contained in, the link would be broken.

If the link is likely to be moved (or copied) but the target is likely to stay in the same place, then you would use an absolute link. e.g. if you moved a relative link into another folder then it would be broken.

Try some and see

disciple wrote:If the link and its target are likely to both be moved (or copied) together then you would use a relative link, because e.g. if it was absolute and you moved the directory structure they are both contained in, the link would be broken.

If the link is likely to be moved (or copied) but the target is likely to stay in the same place, then you would use an absolute link. e.g. if you moved a relative link into another folder then it would be broken.

Try some and see

Thanks

I was under the impression everything loaded into ram, that that was why puppy was so fast.

PG explained it here http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewto ... 021#345021

Jim1911 wrote:

bones01 wrote:Well done Frank. good to see this is working for others too.

Jim, I'm sorry to ask what is probably a simple question, but I don't know what or how to 'link' one file to another. I'm trying another frugal install, and am keen to try your suggestion, but not sure what to do.

Could you lead me through it please?

Thanks.

Bones

Sorry, that it's taken me so long to answer, been on vacation, but I see that you solved it. Here's my technique.

The primary approach that I use after a successful installation is to move .wine to mnt/home and then copy a link to /root/. This keeps the wine programs out of the save file (less danger of corruption) and provides the flexibility to use it with different pups. I still place the other needed files in /usr/bin and /usr/share/applications and /usr/share/pixmaps, of course they could be moved to an e-Sword directory in mnt/home and linked back to the proper locations.

To accomplish this I use Rox. Open mnt/home with Rox, then open another instance of Rox in root, left click on the eye to show hidden files in both directories, select .wine, drag it to mnt/home, select move. The next step is to link .wine back to the root directory. To accomplish this, drag .wine back to root and select Link (relative).

I believe this will be easier than the approach you used.

Cheers,
Jim

Thanks Jim. Seemed to work well. Hopefully that's it now.

Thanks for your ongoing help.

Bones

Hi all,

the install and linking seems to work really well, but there's one small problem.

When I open e-Sword on my frugal install, it works, but doesn't appear in the task bar. And if I minimize it, it disappears. it's still open, but gone.

Any ideas?

Bones.

bones01 wrote:Hi all,

the install and linking seems to work really well, but there's one small problem.

When I open e-Sword on my frugal install, it works, but doesn't appear in the task bar. And if I minimize it, it disappears. it's still open, but gone.

Any ideas?

Bones.

There is a quirk in Puppy that will cause an open program to disappear and if
you roll the scroll button on your mouse it reappears. Not sure if that is what you are describing but its worth a shot to try it.

bones01 wrote:doesn't appear in the task bar

Are you sure you're talking about the same thing Frank?

Bones, my best guess is that it is a quirk of whatever Wine version you happen to have... but you may also want to try a different Window manager or a different version of e-Sword.
I have seen similar quirks with recent development versions of JWM (it seems Joe is implementing support of hints for distinguishing different types of windows). What version do you have?

no, i said i was not sure.

Ah, true

disciple wrote:
Bones, my best guess is that it is a quirk of whatever Wine version you happen to have... but you may also want to try a different Window manager or a different version of e-Sword.
I have seen similar quirks with recent development versions of JWM (it seems Joe is implementing support of hints for distinguishing different types of windows). What version do you have?

I'm using whatever version of JWM is standard in Lupu, but don't know anymore than that.

The same thing also happened on the Quirky install. Enormously frustrating.

Bones