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The pair of you. NYP is the topic.

Hi MU, You are busy this week, not? This is just an idea for consideration. Since you are including wine in NYP, the idea is to maybe package some of the best and most linux-like windows programs, either in the main release or as an easy download. I have tested foobar2000 and Exact Audio Copy and they both seem to work well. They are great programs even if they happen to have been written for windows--we shouldn't hold that against them I believe they would both add capability to NYP, plus both are reasonably small (7-8 MB). I have also tested VLC media player (1.0rc1 windows version) and it seems to work well and plays all of the formats I have tested (only 6 or so). It is big however ~80MB. There is a linux version of VLC but the most recent version available for Puppy or NYP is 0.8.6. I am sure others would have recommendations. By including them they could be set up with menus and so forth--if it was done right they would not be distinguishable from regular linux programs (which is the goal of wine anyway).

Hi Mark,
Excellent work on Newyearspup-02! I like it so much I recently merged some of the internals into Lighthouse Pup, with good results.

In the xorgwizard script in Newyearspup-02 rc10, I think 'rm -f /sr/X11R7/...' in lines 360, 363 and 368 missed the 'u'. I commented out line 359 in Lighthouse because KDE needs /usr/lib/libGL.*

Also in rc10 should 'max_loop=40' be in isolinux.cfg, kernel or append line?

Thank you for your contributions and insight on the forum,
Take care,
TazOC

playdayz wrote:By including them they could be set up with menus and so forth--if it was done right they would not be distinguishable from regular linux programs (which is the goal of wine anyway).

I thought that wine allows us to run windows programs under Linux...they walk, talk and act like windows programs, because they are windows programs.

http://portableapps.com/ is a very nice suite of portable apps that run under wine.

Thom

tazoc wrote:In the xorgwizard script in Newyearspup-02 rc10, I think 'rm -f /sr/X11R7/...' in lines 360, 363 and 368 missed the 'u'.

yes correct.

tazoc wrote: I commented out line 359 in Lighthouse because KDE needs /usr/lib/libGL.*

libgl.so is included in the archives in /usr/local/graficsdrivers.
Some drivers need it in /usr/X11R7/lib.
If you comment that line, a wrong libgl.so is used, what can cause crashes.

Instead you should do something like:

rm -f /usr/lib/libGL.*
ln -s /usr/X11R7/lib/libGL.so /usr/lib/
ln -s /usr/X11R7/lib/libGL.so.1 /usr/lib/

So using this symlink, you have the correct version in both folders.

tazoc wrote: Also in rc10 should 'max_loop=40' be in isolinux.cfg, kernel or append line?

This is not required, as the support is compiled into the kernel using a small patch.
Mark

MU wrote:libgl.so is included in the archives in /usr/local/graficsdrivers.
Some drivers need it in /usr/X11R7/lib.
If you comment that line, a wrong libgl.so is used, what can cause crashes.

Instead you should do something like:

rm -f /usr/lib/libGL.*
ln -s /usr/X11R7/lib/libGL.so /usr/lib/
ln -s /usr/X11R7/lib/libGL.so.1 /usr/lib/

So using this symlink, you have the correct version in both folders.

Very good, Mark. That is a perfect solution--thank you,
TazOC

Hello; I have just come across Newyearspup and have started with Midi RC10. I love the look of it and would like to use it but there are several things that don't hang together for me yet. I have installed the "fixes" pet.

I don't think Compiz-Fusion is active. I have no wobbles, no fish, no cubiod desktops etc.What needs setting to start or configure C-F?

The task/status bar at the top of the screen displays only very briefly on bootup and then disappears never to return. As a rsult there is no Launch or Shutdown etc. To close down I have to kill X withCtrl/Alt/BS and then type 'shutdown' which I imagine is dangerous as it shortcuts a "proper" shutdown.

Some of the icons in the wbar are inactive. For example the browser doesn't launch anything.

As the wbar is active what is the Cairo Dock for? If I try it out it just sits underneath the wbar and gets in the way. Some of its icons are also inactive.

Conky only shows one of my processors (there should be 2). Sometimes there's an outline clock (just hands) above conky as well as the rectangular blue one, but mostly it's gone missing.

But to end on a positive point: this is the first EVER Puppy that found and configured my graphics card and gave me the correct screen resolution without intervention. So well done!

nick,
exit X (CTRL-Alt-Backspace).

Then type:
xwin 1

This will show an optionmenu, where you can select one of the different desktops, among them compiz.
You usually get this menu when you logout, but as you have no panel, you cannot logout, so you must use the "xwin 1" as workaround.

If the taskbar of the default desktop will not appear, it might be a crash, caused by the volume applett.
This can happen, if the soundcard was not detected properly.

A workaround would be to delete it from the config files in /root/.config/lxpanel/. I want to fix this in rc11.

Mark

MU or anyone, this is in NYP rc10 with catalyst 9.3

I can't turn screen blanking off. My wife and daughter are watching hulu and the screen blanks every 10 minutes or so and they are irritated. First I turned off the screensaver. Then I edited the ati xorg template so that when NYP starts xorg.conf says DPMS "false." But the screen still blanks. That was happening in Icewm, now I am trying jwm to see if it happens here. I have the feeling that I am forgetting something obvious, but I have forgotten it!

MU wrote:nick,
exit X (CTRL-Alt-Backspace).

Then type:
xwin 1

This will show an optionmenu, where you can select one of the different desktops, among them compiz.

Thanks, Mark. I have tried this, sekected the LXDE plus Compiz option, and yes, C-F is now active.

MU wrote: You usually get this menu when you logout, but as you have no panel, you cannot logout, so you must use the "xwin 1" as workaround.

If the taskbar of the default desktop will not appear, it might be a crash, caused by the volume applett.
This can happen, if the soundcard was not detected properly.

A workaround would be to delete it from the config files in /root/.config/lxpanel/.

Code: Select all

Plugin {
    type = volumealsa
}

I want to fix this in rc11.

Mark

Thanks again, but I'm not sure about this. There are lots of config files in /root/.config/lxpanel/ but I couldn't see the code you describe in any of them. Any other ideas?

The suggestion that the disappearing taskbar is caused by a crash sounds good to me as It shows briefly and then goes away.

for compiz, it is:
/root/.config/lxpanel/lxdesktop/panels/top

Mark

I wanted the screen not to blank in order to watch full screen movies without getting up every 10 minutes. I disabled DPMS in xorg.conf and I checked that it was disabled with xset -q. i also turned off the Puppy screensaver. However my screen was still blanking. The reason is that there is an *xorg screensaver* setting that overrides the DPMS disabled setting. So xset -q will tell you that DPMS is disabled but if the screensaver setting is not "timeout 0" then the screen will be blanked anyway. The fix is "xset dpms s off" to turn the xorg screensaver off. So there are two commands necessary to prevent screen blanking Don't forget to also disable the Puppy screensaver too.

Mark,

Some motherboard/network cards do not connect for some time after puppy starts. I found that this code allows the weather applet to start consistently:
By the way, I'm sticking with RC3 for now so that I can have fast network copy.

MU wrote:for compiz, it is:
/root/.config/lxpanel/lxdesktop/panels/top

Mark

Mark; I removed the alsa plugin from this file as you suggested, but the top toolbar still disappears after a second or two.

Have you any more ideas?

I must admit to being baffled by the interaction of the wbar and the cairo dock. Are they supposed to be active together? And if so which is responsible for what? And are they expected to get in each other's way? Sorry, but a bit of explanation covering how they are supposed to work together would be valuable.

Many thanks.

techtype,

thanks, will add your modification to the next release


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nic2109,
No, wbar is included in the mini.
Cairo-dock is more complex, and much larger, so I added it to Midi/Maxi.

Both are different concepts, and most people wil only use one of them.

these gimmicks are launched in the startup scripts in /usr/local/Desktopstarters/.
E.g. startopenbox+lxpanel+wbar

Wbar is runby the line:
sleep 12 && run-wbar &

run-wbar is a script that could be edited.
/usr/local/bin/run-wbar
Search with http://wellminded.com/puppy/pupsearch.html for "wbar" to see, how the command could be modified, there are several examples in this forum

Mark

Béèm wrote:

MUguest wrote:If you add a kernel parameter in grub, you must not use "pfix=".
Just append "nosmp".
Mark

Ooops forgot about that one.
So I do now with loglevel=7 and nosmp

I get the same msg as with wow's distro: freeing unused kernel memory 376k freed.

Altho I don't like the way I can solve it,
When I give acpi-off boot goes to the selection list of pup_save files.

That good news, but the bad news is I loose the acpi functionality, plus I never had to do this on this machine. What are the consequences of running with acpi=off?

What causes the acpi=off to work and the usual acpi active not?
Some thing different in the kernel compile options?
Can this be cured?

But secondly, I have the famous problem of not being prompted for the creation of a save file.
How can that one be cured (other then creating a dummy save file with the dd command)?

But the real show-stopper is, that altho I selected the Belgian azerty keyboard, I am not in it, but have some qwerty keyboard.
How can this be solved?

Was the inability for a remastered LiveCD to save ever resolved?

Thanks

Thom

tlchost wrote:Was the inability for a remastered LiveCD to save ever resolved?

No, not yet
Mark

Béèm wrote:

Béèm wrote:But the real show-stopper is, that altho I selected the Belgian azerty keyboard, I am not in it, but have some qwerty keyboard.
How can this be solved?

Do the german/french one work for you?
You can activate them in the "settings" menu.
(keymap DE, keymap FR).
Mark

MU wrote:

tlchost wrote:Was the inability for a remastered LiveCD to save ever resolved?

No, not yet
Mark

Ah....I have my bootable USB so that's OK.