My report on Quirky 6.0

[gcmartin]

Hi @Tronkel

On your side and also on @Sage's side.

The problem that occurs with something like the departure of preparation of use of Quirky, is that this departure is not just Quirky. There are also a couple of other PUPs that have cropped up over the past 2 years who have introduced dramatically different boot processes and installation processes to get to a functional user system.

The "change" in installation and in boot process affects, not just newbies but also, seasoned users as well. The departures, sometimes, are not met with a clear understanding of why or the benefit(s) that are occurring. For the seasoned user, this is unsettling because no human likes immediate change as we react negative until comfortable.

So, there is no standard way of expressing the benefit that is derived from a change ... thus it is expected that users will catch on and figure it out versus explaining up front to jump-start the user's experience.

Giving a set of brand new directions for any PUP user to use in their system setup is really radical even though I don't believe any developer intends such. The break from tradition is what is impacting the community that might normally be attracted here. But, this may be by design as the intent maybe to restrict or limit those who would venture to be those who have skills in Linux use.

In any event, Quirky already seems to be leaning toward a full installation process that could find itself a kick-off installer on an ISO to ease user acceptance. ... Maybe/maybe-not.

Hope this helps

[Billtoo]

What he probably didn't reckon with though, is exactly how user-friendly and comfortable this latest effort has turned out to be. There is the contradiction in a nutshell - a proof of concept that has turned out to be so useful to normal end users.

I have Quirky Tahr installed on a 32gb flash drive and have installed
many applications from Puppy Package Manager including
digikam,openshot,kdegames,xfce4,several file managers,media
players,wine 1.7.9, and more.
Definately a keeper

[BarryK]

Also, I had forgotten to exclude /home when a system snapshot is taken. Well, that is now /myhome -- everything in there must be ignored when a snapshot is taken, and a recovery is performed.

If you would like to fix this manually, change the name "/home" folder to "/myhome", and insert this line into line 512:

[ -d "/myhome" ] && echo '/myhome' >> /tmp/audit/rootfs-snapshot-exclusions1 #140201

That is line 512 in /usr/sbin/snapshot-manager..

It is great to see momanager running faultlessly, without devx installed

Thanks Barry!

Oh yes, I forgot to mention that!
I made sure that all the required utilities are in the main build, and have built with L18L's MoManager PET.

There is a requirement in the original momanager not to run in a full install, as it gets default files out of the underlying sfs.

I don't know how L18L manages that, but we could achieve the same thing by taking a snapshot first. I will think about that.

[BarryK]

In the Quirky install instructions there are references to a 2GB partition requirement and AALSO to a 8GB USB requirement.

Questions

• Anyone care to explain why the differences?
• Do both achieve the same result(s) or is one more comprehensive at something the other is not?

Both are merely storage devices accessed at boot-time, but ???

Thanks in advance for any help in understanding

You are mixing up two different things.

Quirky (and Quirky Tahr) can be installed to as little as a 2GB partition, though bigger is recommended. With these scripts, you can use any >=2GB drive or partition.

For those who, for some reason are unable to use the install scripts, to install either to a USB/SD drive, or a HD partition, there is a simpler alternative, a ready-made 8GB image file, that can be copied direct to a 8GB (or greater) USB Flash or SD card.

[Puppus Dogfellow]

i can't get gparted to run, even after a reboot. when trying to launch it from a terminal, i got:


/usr/sbin/gpartedbin: error while loading shared libraries: libparted.so.2: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory

(quirky tahr)

Yes, the solution is here:

http://bkhome.org/news/?viewDetailed=00052

cool. thanks again, Barry!

edit:

i tried making a swapfile with a gui utility and couldn't--it wouldn't load. so i decided to use gparted to make a small unused partition into swap and i got this:

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GParted 0.16.1

Libparted 3.1
Format /dev/sda4 as linux-swap  00:00:02    ( ERROR )
     	
calibrate /dev/sda4  00:00:01    ( SUCCESS )
     	
path: /dev/sda4
start: 305960960
end: 312580095
size: 6619136 (3.16 GiB)
clear old file system signatures in /dev/sda4  00:00:00    ( SUCCESS )
     	
clear primary signatures  00:00:00    ( SUCCESS )
     	
wrote 68.00 KiB of zeros at byte offset 0
clear secondary signatures  00:00:00    ( SUCCESS )
     	
wrote 4.00 KiB of zeros at byte offset 3388993536
flush operating system cache of /dev/sda  00:00:00    ( SUCCESS )
set partition type on /dev/sda4  00:00:01    ( SUCCESS )
     	
new partition type: linux-swap(v1)
create new linux-swap file system  00:00:00    ( ERROR )
     	
mkswap -L "" /dev/sda4
     	
mkswap: /lib/i386-linux-gnu/libblkid.so.1: version `BLKID_2.21' not found (required by mkswap)

========================================

, which may account for swapfilemanager's failure... anyway, there appears to be something missing. (i checked the repos--it's missing from there, too.)



(i have to say, i never dreamed that this sort of stuff could be fun. so, thanks yet again, Barry.)

[tronkel]

Re. the Skype 4.2 crash at startup problem - now works for me after installing libwrap0_7.6.q-25 via the Quirky Tahr PPM. This package is missing from Quirky 6. Maybe if Barry reads this he can include it in the image.

[slenkar]

does quirky tahir have the same GTK and other libraries as precise?

[BarryK]

Tahr 6.0.1 is already out!

See announcement and links here:
http://bkhome.org/news/?viewDetailed=00053

Note that /home is now /file, and the Service Pack was supposed to delete /home but doesn't.
If you have anything in /home, or /myhome, change the name to /file before installing the Service Pack.

I have just notice a bug in SeaMonkey, spellchecking isn't working. There need to be two symlinks, which you can create manually:

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# ln -s /usr/share/hunspell/en_US.aff /usr/lib/seamonkey/dictionaries/en_US.aff
# ln -s /usr/share/hunspell/en_US.dic /usr/lib/seamonkey/dictionaries/en_US.dic

3builddistro, in the Quirky build system, was supposed to have created those links, but has failed to do so this time. I will find out why.

[BarryK]

Re. the Skype 4.2 crash at startup problem - now works for me after installing libwrap0_7.6.q-25 via the Quirky Tahr PPM. This package is missing from Quirky 6. Maybe if Barry reads this he can include it in the image.

I have added the libwrap0 and libwrap0-dev packages, they will be in the 6.0.2 Service Pack.

[BarryK]

does quirky tahir have the same GTK and other libraries as precise?

Trusty Tahr is the latest development of Ubuntu, not yet released. Of course it will have later libraries than Precise Pangolin. GTK libs are still the 2.24.x but the "x" will have changed.

[BarryK]

i tried making a swapfile with a gui utility and couldn't--it wouldn't load. so i decided to use gparted to make a small unused partition into swap and i got this:

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GParted 0.16.1

Libparted 3.1
Format /dev/sda4 as linux-swap  00:00:02    ( ERROR )
     	
calibrate /dev/sda4  00:00:01    ( SUCCESS )
     	
path: /dev/sda4
start: 305960960
end: 312580095
size: 6619136 (3.16 GiB)
clear old file system signatures in /dev/sda4  00:00:00    ( SUCCESS )
     	
clear primary signatures  00:00:00    ( SUCCESS )
     	
wrote 68.00 KiB of zeros at byte offset 0
clear secondary signatures  00:00:00    ( SUCCESS )
     	
wrote 4.00 KiB of zeros at byte offset 3388993536
flush operating system cache of /dev/sda  00:00:00    ( SUCCESS )
set partition type on /dev/sda4  00:00:01    ( SUCCESS )
     	
new partition type: linux-swap(v1)
create new linux-swap file system  00:00:00    ( ERROR )
     	
mkswap -L "" /dev/sda4
     	
mkswap: /lib/i386-linux-gnu/libblkid.so.1: version `BLKID_2.21' not found (required by mkswap)

========================================

, which may account for swapfilemanager's failure... anyway, there appears to be something missing. (i checked the repos--it's missing from there, too.)



(i have to say, i never dreamed that this sort of stuff could be fun. so, thanks yet again, Barry.)

mkswap should now be working in 6.0.1.

[broomdodger]

Tahr 6.0.1 is already out!

I have just notice a bug in SeaMonkey, spellchecking isn't working. There need to be two symlinks, which you can create manually:

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# ln -s /usr/share/hunspell/en_US.aff /usr/lib/seamonkey/dictionaries/en_US.aff
# ln -s /usr/share/hunspell/en_US.dic /usr/lib/seamonkey/dictionaries/en_US.dic

3builddistro, in the Quirky build system, was supposed to have created those links, but has failed to do so this time. I will find out why.

BarryK
It seems those links exist in the full Tahr 6.0.1
and spell check in SeaMonkey is working.

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# ln -s /usr/share/hunspell/en_US.aff /usr/lib/seamonkey/dictionaries/en_US.aff 
ln: failed to create symbolic link ‘/usr/lib/seamonkey/dictionaries/en_US.aff’: File exists
# 
# ln -s /usr/share/hunspell/en_US.dic /usr/lib/seamonkey/dictionaries/en_US.dic
ln: failed to create symbolic link ‘/usr/lib/seamonkey/dictionaries/en_US.dic’: File exists

[broomdodger]

Quirky Tahr 6.0.1
acer Aspire 4315, 2 GB ram, 4 GB Transcend USB Flash Drive

+ no broken links BEFORE devx

+ PureFTPd starts

+ Gparted starts

- Is it normal when opening VLC media player to have an error box:
File reading failed:
VLC could not open the file "/root/%U" (No such file or directory).
Your input can't be opened:
VLC is unable to open the MRL 'file:///root/%25U'. Check the log for details.

- ted.com/talks does not think I can play html5 (youtube works):
It appears that we are unable to play this video in your browser for one of the following reasons:
+ you have JavaScript disabled
+ your device does not support HTML5 video
+ you have an old version of the Adobe Flash Player. Download the latest Flash player to view this video.
If you are on a mobile device, you may be able to directly download the video to play.

Edit: I downloaded a ted talk, and it played great with VLC.
VLC has an amazing amount of options!

- GetFlash gives error:
Unable to connect to server,
please check your internet connection.

My internet connection must be good,
I am posting this message and
checking mail with sylpheed yea!

+ no broken links AFTER devx

+ compiled vim 7.4.161 works great

Quirky Tahr 6.0.1 *****

Bill

[broomdodger]

Packetteer mentioned that Glade did not open on Precise 5.5, 5.6, 5.7.1

http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic. ... &start=315

So... I tried it on Quirky Tahr 6.0.1 and it fails to open.

# which glade
/usr/bin/glade

# glade
glade: error while loading shared libraries: libgtk-3.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory

Bill

[slenkar]

did you searching the package manager for gtk3?

[James C]

Upgraded Quirky Tahr with the service pack...... all looks good so far.

-Computer-
Processor : 2x Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 3.00GHz
Memory : 2065MB (153MB used)
Machine Type : Physical machine
Operating System : Quirky Tahr - 6.0.1
User Name : root (root)
Date/Time : Sun 02 Feb 2014 11:18:10 PM CST
-Display-
Resolution : 1024x768 pixels
OpenGL Renderer : Mesa DRI Intel(R) 865G x86/MMX/SSE2
X11 Vendor : The X.Org Foundation
-Audio Devices-
Audio Adapter : ICH4 - Intel ICH5

[Billtoo]

I installed Quirky Tahr 6.0.1 to a 16gb flash drive.

I updated PPM and installed kdegames in the same way that I did in 6.0
but trying to run any of the games fails with the following error:
sh-4.1# kshisen
kshisen: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/libQtDBus.so.4: undefined symbol: dbus_connection_can_send_type
sh-4.1#
This causes digikam,clementine,and maybe other applications to fail as
well.

[Ray MK]

Upgraded Quirky Tahr with the service pack...... all looks good so far.

As above - easy-peasy upgrade - even for a n00b user.

Quirky Tahr is incredibly fast - boots in an instant - and just works OOTB.

Amazing when one realizes that BK has produced this outstanding OS in less than a month.

# uname -a
Linux puppypc14167 3.12.6 #1 SMP Wed Dec 25 02:35:43 GMT 2013 i686 i686 i686 GNU/Linux
# free
total used free shared buffers
Mem: 1804552 285772 1518780 0 40
-/+ buffers: 285732 1518820
Swap: 0 0 0
# uptime
10:04:13 up 25 min, load average: 0.03, 0.05, 0.06
# ^C

[BarryK]

Tahr 6.0.1 is already out!

I have just notice a bug in SeaMonkey, spellchecking isn't working. There need to be two symlinks, which you can create manually:

Code: Select all

# ln -s /usr/share/hunspell/en_US.aff /usr/lib/seamonkey/dictionaries/en_US.aff
# ln -s /usr/share/hunspell/en_US.dic /usr/lib/seamonkey/dictionaries/en_US.dic

3builddistro, in the Quirky build system, was supposed to have created those links, but has failed to do so this time. I will find out why.

BarryK
It seems those links exist in the full Tahr 6.0.1
and spell check in SeaMonkey is working.

Code: Select all

# ln -s /usr/share/hunspell/en_US.aff /usr/lib/seamonkey/dictionaries/en_US.aff 
ln: failed to create symbolic link ‘/usr/lib/seamonkey/dictionaries/en_US.aff’: File exists
# 
# ln -s /usr/share/hunspell/en_US.dic /usr/lib/seamonkey/dictionaries/en_US.dic
ln: failed to create symbolic link ‘/usr/lib/seamonkey/dictionaries/en_US.dic’: File exists

Oh, yes, you are correct.

I was running Tahr 6.0 with SM PET installed, which didn't have those symlinks.

Good, one less bug to worry about.

[BarryK]

- Is it normal when opening VLC media player to have an error box:
File reading failed:
VLC could not open the file "/root/%U" (No such file or directory).
Your input can't be opened:
VLC is unable to open the MRL 'file:///root/%25U'. Check the log for details.

That is a bug in /usr/share/applications/vlc.desktop
The fix will be in 6.0.2

Manually, you can fix it now by changing the line in vlc.desktop to just this:

Exec=vlc