(old)Puppy Linux Discussion Forum

mikeb wrote:a guarantee of your sanity

Oh. Ok, well I guess that rules that out then...

greengeek wrote:

Colonel Panic wrote:Maybe I should start a thread on the subject?

That would make a very interesting thread. The more I use Puppy the more I realise that newer is sometimes better - but not always. Any puppy is a compromise between a setup that is truly lightweight, and a more longwinded setup that is more easily understood by those who are newcomers (without that compromise I wouldn't have been able to make much of a start with Linux...).

A thread that helped identify how to get the best of the old/fast stuff, combined with the most necessary of the new stuff would be very helpful indeed. It would be very technical of course - but it would be a resource of really interesting ideas. Mike - your post chucked in some good ideas that I'd like to try out. What would it take to persuade you to offer an iso??

Hi Greengeek,

Thanks for your reply and suggestion, but I agree with Mike on this one. It's one thing to remaster a Puplet for your own use, when you know what you want to do with it and what equipment it's going to be running on, and quite another to do the same for someone else who may have different interests, and tasks to perform, and will run it on different equipment; none of which you have any way of knowing in advance.

For example, I think John Biles does a fantastic job in getting Legacy up and running all on his own, but even so I've been unable to get Flash working in the browser of the latest one (Legacy 2.1 Gamer) and in the end I've had to give it up as a bad job and use an earlier one instead. I can't promise I'd do any better if I put a Puplet out there for others to use, indeed I'd most likely do worse.

What is a lot easier (and I do like doing) is making suggestions for software which will work with other people's Puppies - for example, Opera 11.11 works well in Turbo Extreme, and I'm a happy user of PortaBase, which fulfils all my needs for a simple database program and I'm sure would meet others' needs too.

Colonel Panic wrote:for example, Opera 11.11 works well in Turbo Extreme, .

Would you have a link to the version of O11.11 that works with Turbopup? I was trying to get hold of one of Synths Opera pets from around that time but the links all seemed dead.

greengeek wrote:

Colonel Panic wrote:for example, Opera 11.11 works well in Turbo Extreme, .

Would you have a link to the version of O11.11 that works with Turbopup? I was trying to get hold of one of Synths Opera pets from around that time but the links all seemed dead.

This one still works;

http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=39444

which links to;

http://www.mediafire.com/download/ppq59 ... -11.11.pet

I tried uploading it from my own collection of Puppy files but the forum software wouldn't allow it.

mikeb wrote

ttuuxxx updated most of the core to at least 4.12 or beyond only leaving a limited 2.12 kernel which is ok for single core non sata systems

So are you saying that 214X wouldn't work with sata drives? But from my experiments with a dual core sata system (see above) it did work when I could get it to boot.
Or are you saying its a boot issue with sata drives??

Ok to be more specific I have a atom dual core ITX board with sata drives and the 2.12 kernel DOES see them. Other SATA machines do not and my conclusion was Intel chipsets with SATA appear to work but others are unlikely...I assume they work in a more generic way and the others need specific drivers and/or kernel config. Its all in the dark mysteries of libata and not something I have detailed knowledge about.

To put it another way if you want to guarantee SATA support on any machine get a puppy with a 2.6.25.x or newer kernel. (note for that case you may lose EIDE support ..eg early pentium and similar.)

mike

eternal-sunshine wrote:Thanks Colonel, I'll give Legacy a try tomorrow. Incidentally I see you and Mikeb use hdX not sdX so I assume you are not using SATA discs. I wonder if that is why I am having these problems. I'll try on an older IDE based box tomorrow.
Thanks

I guess you mean where he says

# Linux bootable partition config begins
title Linux (on /dev/hdc1)
root (hd0,0)

That always uses the hdX way , regardless of what kind the actual drive is.

But that's for 'regular' GRUB, eg GRUB 0.97 ,not for GRUB2.
Although I don't recall the reason given, it's been said that the latter is no 'better than the old GRUB.

I've taken a tip from Mike and carried out a full install of an old (and possibly forgotten) version of Puppy, 2.10 Professional, to my hard drive. It's pretty in a retro sort of way (something I like about that generation of Puppies) and, although it's not quite as capable as one of the more recent generations of Puppy it's a heck of a lot quieter in operation, perhaps because the libraries are smaller and therefore don't need as many system resources to run properly.

Oh a stable of ours was 2.02 regression by tempestuous.

Came with firefox and mplayer and it flew.

The main reason appeared to be the older xorg version, a fast gtk2 and of course use of gtk1, but in one test of deleting a pile of files using rox I got double the speed compared to say puppy 4. The bubbles game was definitely super rapid..... I could play videos on a k6 no problem. I miss those super light builds of linux where even kde was feasible on old pentiums and yes the internet seems to be the main driving force behind update, update, update.... perhaps we should start running android in a virtual machine to keep that crap happy

mike

mikeb wrote:Oh a stable of ours was 2.02 regression by tempestuous. Came with firefox and mplayer and it flew.

With all the nonsense going on with newer PCs containing hardware and software that allows hijacking of the data stream for spying purposes, and the problems with UEFI, it makes some of the older stuff seem increasingly appealing.

old stuff never really lost its appeal for me ..it it ain't broke... etc

And usually solidly built too .....

mike

FYI

I received an email from archive.org saying that file python-2.5.pup had malware in it and it has been removed

details for those interested:

http://www.virustotal.com/en/file/d6794 ... 394673375/

Still running Top 10 occasionally.....

Lately, I had to install Puppy 2.14X several times. I realized, I always did the same customizations and tweaks. So I took the time to write it all down on a web-page, which I then put here.
(It's better viewed when JavaScript is turned off in the browser, otherwise there may be annoying pop-up-windows.)
The page may be a bit weak on the point of the installation itself, so it's basically about what can be done, when Puppy 2.14X is already installed (or otherwise running). See it as a fan-page of Puppy 2.14X.

Has anyone else tried the latest, experimental version of 214X Classic, 10.1 GTK3? I'm using it now from a frugal install and it's working fine

Colonel Panic
Obviously I'm not keeping up with puppy like I used to. Where can I find this 214x 10.1 you speak of?
Thanks

eternal-sunshine wrote:Colonel Panic
Obviously I'm not keeping up with puppy like I used to. Where can I find this 214x 10.1 you speak of?
Thanks

http://smokey01.com/ttuuxxx/2.14X/iso-s ... ha10.1.iso

Colonel Panic wrote:Has anyone else tried the latest, experimental version of 214X Classic, 10.1 GTK3? I'm using it now from a frugal install and it's working fine

I tried it but rolled back to Top 10......... don't remember why though.

Thanks James, I'll give it a try this weekend.